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iGrok
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Jockmcplop
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iGrok
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When I flip, shoot HF. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On May 26 2019 08:06 iGrok wrote: because fuck it, man. I did what I could but HF has town wrapped around his finger. When I flip, shoot HF. Its not gonna work like that though. For sure its not. Look at bugs' post above you. Already he wants to lynch VE next if you flip town. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Conversion
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I’m going to get dinner and scan the thread before EoD. | ||
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iGrok
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On May 26 2019 08:10 Holyflare wrote: Convince me you're not mafia iGrok, I have the power to save you. After 230 pages on D2? Fuck no. I’m out. Gg mafia | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:06 iGrok wrote: because fuck it, man. I did what I could but HF has town wrapped around his finger. When I flip, shoot HF. Nothing personal it’s POE, I don’t even think your play was lynch worthy besides your activity and you were flying a lot I guess? I feel that. I feel the effort you put in, everyone did. However you just look objectively really bad in the context of the rest of the game and without flipping you we cannot solve the game IMO. Especially not without a very coordinated effort to move to VE that doesn’t get sabotaged by scum here (like I never want to lynch Artanis or BC in this game and they may seem like lynchbait like you are depending on someone’s personal lens). And HF is almost certainly not scum here unless both rayn and Koshi are real claims + HF somehow managed to keep consistent townreads with me when he wasn’t even sure on what I was doing or why I was calling the 3 stooges scum all game. If he were scum he’d have landed on a different POE list than me by now and I don’t think that’s the case. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On May 26 2019 08:12 iGrok wrote: After 230 pages on D2? Fuck no. I’m out. Gg mafia That is.....actually pretty convincing. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:11 Conversion wrote: well Koshi didn’t listen to me before going to bed and Igenuinely think we have scum in Artanis. I’m going out for dinner now— won’t be back most likely. but most of my townreads somehow think grok needs to flipped I’m going to get dinner and scan the thread before EoD. We are begging him to reread on HF and telling him why he needs to be flipped but he’s just not doing anything. HF Is really not scum here. If he refuses to do anything but OMGUS then we aren’t going to get anything new out of him and flipping him is the best bet we’ve got for ensuring he doesn’t end up on the lynch conversation again when he’ll be less likely to die later. It’s really rare for a person who gets saved twice to die a third time, and it will eat up discussion unless we are very disciplined and hit VE and VE only here. Artanis is not scum, I can almost guarantee you that. Since there are town reads on both sides of flipping Artanis/iGrok and there is resistance to switching to VE, killing one of the lynchbait townies is actually better because it forces the coco to become about scum vs town or scum vs scum tomorrow and in that situation I guarantee we lynch correctly. | ||
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disformation
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-.- meh. im going to finish my beer and then go to bed. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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So we just need to convince Artanis to vote properly and it’s fine, and in this regard he is doing more to deserve to stay alive than iGrok because iGrok is stubborn and will never vote correctly if he stays on HF. He’s a wasted vote if he’s alive, that has been proven two days in a row. We can’t let him live longer when his vote is antitown | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:19 disformation wrote: i mean i wouldnt mind voting high templar of blehness artanis, but grok is just not giving us ... anything? -.- meh. im going to finish my beer and then go to bed. If you don’t understand that the only power VTs have is their vote, and iGrok is refusing to consider that HF might be town after more than 5 days, you are not understanding this situation properly. Even if iGrok is town his behaviour is antitown and it’s optimal to kill him. He’s not malleable and he’s probably stuck in the wrong position because every townread I have, who is playing the game more than him, does not read HF the same way he does. His read is off-world. | ||
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disformation
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On May 26 2019 08:22 wherebugsgo wrote: If you don’t understand that the only power VTs have is their vote, and iGrok is refusing to consider that HF might be town after more than 5 days, you are not understanding this situation properly. Even if iGrok is town his behaviour is antitown and it’s optimal to kill him. He’s not malleable and he’s probably stuck in the wrong position because every townread I have, who is playing the game more than him, does not read HF the same way he does. His read is off-world. well i am not a big fan of off-wagon voters. bad for vca amongst other things. so you might have a point here. but id like to hit scum here and _IF_ grok should be town here, he could have done... something. but we prolly too late now anyways | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:28 disformation wrote: well i am not a big fan of off-wagon voters. bad for vca amongst other things. so you might have a point here. but id like to hit scum here and _IF_ grok should be town here, he could have done... something. but we prolly too late now anyways If you townread iGrok but allow him to vote HF that means you are willing to let him live as long as HF is also alive. Mafia need to kill HF in order for iGrok to have a chance of changing his vote. It’s the most antitown town thing to do to refuse to accept that your townreads, who have more time to play the game than you, may actually be right. Also it’s a fucking terrible OMGUS because HF is literally begging him for reasons to consider him town. iGrok needs to move his vote to VE and keep it there and never agree to move it back to HF unless he has at least 3 townreads voting HF because otherwise he’s just not going to cooperate with us. That’s a losing strategy for LYLO as well in the odd case that something like rayn HF iGrok is the end and iGrok kills HF there. Probably never happen but you get the idea. He’s a free scum vote even if he’s not scum, as long as HF Is alive. Then once HF dies I guarantee half my townreads will jump on wanting to kill iGrok because his shit read becomes confirmed even though there is actually no new evidence he’s scum. | ||
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disformation
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On May 26 2019 08:34 wherebugsgo wrote: If you townread iGrok but allow him to vote HF that means you are willing to let him live as long as HF is also alive. Mafia need to kill HF in order for iGrok to have a chance of changing his vote. It’s the most antitown town thing to do to refuse to accept that your townreads, who have more time to play the game than you, may actually be right. Also it’s a fucking terrible OMGUS because HF is literally begging him for reasons to consider him town. iGrok needs to move his vote to VE and keep it there and never agree to move it back to HF unless he has at least 3 townreads voting HF because otherwise he’s just not going to cooperate with us. That’s a losing strategy for LYLO as well in the odd case that something like rayn HF iGrok is the end and iGrok kills HF there. Probably never happen but you get the idea. He’s a free scum vote even if he’s not scum, as long as HF Is alive. Then once HF dies I guarantee half my townreads will jump on wanting to kill iGrok because his shit read becomes confirmed even though there is actually no new evidence he’s scum. bold (added by me) part is very true. this game man | ||
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disformation
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:28 disformation wrote: well i am not a big fan of off-wagon voters. bad for vca amongst other things. so you might have a point here. but id like to hit scum here and _IF_ grok should be town here, he could have done... something. but we prolly too late now anyways Are you voting Artanis or iGrok? PSA: If you’re a townie voting Artanis, move your vote to VE and just watch what happens. If your vote is on iGrok, don’t move it. If you are iGrok, move your vote to VE. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 26 2019 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you voting Artanis or iGrok? PSA: If you’re a townie voting Artanis, move your vote to VE and just watch what happens. If your vote is on iGrok, don’t move it. If you are iGrok, move your vote to VE. Silent lynch time. I am 100% serious about this, if you’re voting anyone OTHER than iGrok right now, vote VE and just watch what happens. No discussion necessary, if you are town and you townread me just move your vote and watch who gets antsy | ||
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