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VisceraEyes
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Fecalfeast
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wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote: sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics. i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun. - jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart. - hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up. - VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia. - rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho. - bugs looks aigh tish. - i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information. already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them. ##Vote calix 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On May 20 2019 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm gonna pass on that one. A) You've given literally no reasoning that I can see for your vote aside from "for that one post alone" which, filtering you in isolation, I can't even see which it is. So... B) I filtered ruxxar and found that his posting seems internally consistent, and relatively comprehensive as far as "what you should know about me" posts go. It feels this side of townie to me. I'm not going to rank lurkers on kill priority, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard what are you even fucking doing? bolded I find really weird btw and BC I want to know what you think. VE to make this a more specific question, I want to ask you: do you think iGrok is a lurker/thread skimmer? ruxxar? disformation? BTW someone like Koshi I would not define as either because he's currently 100% absent. Last game we played with Vivax, who posted twice into accidental modkill (and despite the host mistake was probably on track for one eventually anyway) Koshi, who didn't really do anything either and you shot, and Grack who actually played for real. I think you and I would have both agreed in that game that given no other choices we would have killed Vivax over Rels in a head-to-head comparison despite both having the same number of posts d1. This is what I'm asking you to do now, mostly for my benefit in reading you because at the current rate I think there's a good chance we'll disagree on a fair amount of things. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Then ya I mostly can't help in that regard...I've been almost as absent as you lately. All of the names you listed I have been able to get a read on one way or another in games past or I don't remember playing with them and don't specifically recall if they tended to lurk or not. That their activity in this game is less isn't indicative one way or another to me. my question isn't hinging on past games, I'm asking you to rank them based on their play this game, and based on their play in this game do you think they are lurking/thread skimming/whatever. If you think some number of players fit into that category, however neat, well, or poorly defined that category might be for you, it's important to me esp for day 1 because I think day 1 lynches tend to be very low hit rate and I would rather give a lot of the players in this game time to develop their reads and post enough to reduce the variability that we just hit them on an off day or whatever, especially after we saw what happened last game. Since I feel you're being a bit difficult, I'm going to work out my thoughts for you and put them in a spoiler. If you really think this is a waste of time then go ahead and read the spoiler before responding but I'm trusting you on honor that you'll take my word for it and give your thoughts before getting your opinion tainted by mine. + Show Spoiler + Like just on reputation and posting we've seen so far I wouldn't lynch you, BC, HF, rayn, Artanis, Calix, or Jock today. Of the remaining players at this very moment I'd rule out Koshi because of absence and I don't see anything wrong with Conversion's posts. That leaves 3 players on my lynch list for d1: iGrok disformation ruxxar There is already evidence for iGrok being low on time. Based on what little he's posted so far, this smells exactly the same to me as the Rels lynch from last game. I don't agree on your post about him saying he's "also" friendly because it reads a lot into a single word, and I believe the host business is not alignment indicative. Those are literally the only two pieces of info to go off, so I think moving him from the 25% baseline is not warranted; I'm willing to put him aside along with Koshi. disformation vs ruxxar, I have a strong preference for killing ruxxar because disformation's posts to some degree indicated attempts at trying to figure out the game. He responded to direct questions and he provided a reasonable interpretation of Jock's posts. There are things that might be fishy in his posts but again, low information content, and to me the information that is there indicates town rather than scum. For ruxxar this is not the case, just refer to my previous post on that matter. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 08:31 Conversion wrote: help me out and tell me who you’re lunching today bc all i remember from you is shitting on rayn and saying you’re going to ignore him and im on a phone and lazy are you still on rayn? as I responded earlier I'm on ruxxar but I wanted to follow up on this again. I'm happy to make this day between ruxxar and disformation. I posted earlier in response to VE about why I think ruxxar is scum: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote: you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. I could be convinced on disformation because my read there isn't strong but we'll need to wait a while for EU to wake up again to see his responses. If you want my gut read on disformation feel free to read my spoiler in my last post. In the meanwhile, do you agree or disagree on ruxxar? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Jockmcplop I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 13:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly bugs as the person who linked the ruxxar post you jumped on as a vote im not going to "sheep you" hes already on my fucking mafia list for his shit. Fuck, his re entry to this thread is also disgustingly bad since then. between him and Calix I think we have a guarenteed mafia (possibly 2, not ruling it out). Disinformation really needs to step it up, but based on day 1 screams scum as of the moment. sorry I actually completely missed the fact that you were on ruxxar even though when I just reread now I remembered those posts. But since we're in agreement let's vote together  I can see some merit for wanting to kill Calix but I also see lots of reasons not to kill Calix. IIRC Calix played similar to this when I was scum and Calix was town about a year ago, even did something similar with that colour shading of names (hands up for any of you calling Calix scum, if you thought that particular detail was scummy) and does not seem to be afraid to put up some resistance here. Calix also I think is an asset if town and I don't want to kill potential assets on d1. Now. I know you all hate Rayn for screaming at the top of his lungs about killing jock. You both have (VE and Bugs) has said nothing strikes you as strange however. After reading https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Jockmcplop I am a little suspect. Not going to say hes a priority as of right now, but there is a shot of a real hit based purely on this. I find it unlikely (not impossible) that someone could roll town 3 games in a row and completely change their playstyle 3 games in a row. I don't quite understand what that game has to do with this one. I also don't follow your logic on rolling town 3 games in a row and changing his playstyle 3 games in a row. Here's what's given: 1. We know he changed his playstyle twice already. If anything this just tells us that he's willing to try different things and it's hard to say if this is alignment indicative 2. Last game, he got mislynched because people jumped on him for changing his style and couldn't read him properly, thought he was scum based on him being a bit too abrasive on d1 and not providing any real reads. 3. From the postgame, he admitted he was trying something out and he'll not do that again the next game. I don't remember if he mentioned why he changed his style in the first place, but perhaps he thought that his original approach just didn't work for whatever reason, changed it once, that failed, so now third time's the charm. Collectively our record on meta has been pretty trash so I think there need to be better reasons for wanting to kill Jock than this for me to be convinced. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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A) Outside Rayn he has basically done dick fuck all B) for a completely new player to change their meta so much with the same alignment 3 games in a row is shady. Basically hes a good cop check? Ruxxar, Calix and Disinformation to me are higher in likelyhood to strike red. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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wherebugsgo
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My goal from now is to pivot from everyone just throwing around suspicions and trying to get something to stick to a focus on 2-3 players. I think any more is probably too many, and only 1 would probably be risky as well. My order would be Ruxxar -> Disformation -> Calix, with Calix being fairly largely separated; I've actually only listed Calix because others have some decent points I can concede. I think the posts we need from the rest of the players will naturally follow if we funnel the talking in this direction, and we'll have good control over the lynch as well. BTW this is sort of an observation I made when I was based in U.S. timezones and playing with EU players like Palmar but really didn't fully understand it fully until moving to Asia: I think a lot of things that revolve around activity stem from people just not being in the thread at the same time. I was getting a lot of complaints last game for "disappearing" from the thread when I was just asleep or not around, and I'm quite an active player. Right now, the thread seems a bit quiet to me and I have to look at the times and confirm who might be around in order to prevent my mind from going crazy about how X player is not here because of Y scummy reason and not, you know, with the application of Occam's Razor that they're not around just because they can't be. I think we should take advantage of the fact that we have 72 hours in the day; conversational posts are nice when you can help confirm others' reads through questions, but in this game I think consolidating posts will be more helpful. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I dont think ruxxar is mafia. Especially to oeople who havent played with him he always looks scummy purely from how he writes his posts. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Jockmcplop
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On May 20 2019 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. This one actually is a fucking slam dunk case. I have never been this sure without a check except for the rsoultin mderg not voting for each other case. And the ms paint one. This is top three and this is 100%. You can do whatever you want but he is mafia. I dont care if you, town, or both realise it in this game or after but i am not going to do anything but say this until i am dead or he is lynched. I'm just catching up now (I don't have much time to post but I'll be able to post at work a bit.) Rayn you're going to be very, very disappointed in yourself. Your case on me is absolute bullshit my friend and you know it. The reason I voted for you is simple, go look at BC's posts and the thing he keeps quoting. This was why I voted for you. Its also amusing that exactly what VE said would happen has happened. You started shitting up the thread with stupid nonsensical accusations. There is nothing contradictory about what I said. I can say I don't like something and also think it isn't scummy. And all because of this one thing I'm the most certain read you've ever had in your life? Think about that for a second. The most certain read you've EVER HAD is because I didn't like a post and then later on said I find it weird but not scummy. THE MOST CERTAIN READ YOU'VE EVER HAD. NEVER BEEN THIS SURE WITHOUT A CHECK. Are you real? | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On May 20 2019 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will predict Jockmcplop never arrives anymore to this thread. P.S. i am awake from 7am until 11pm. Fuck you man. I'm here ask anything you want. I'm also grumpy in the mornings. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On May 20 2019 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote: The worst part of that Jock post is that he's calling rayn mafia by doing exactly what he told rayn was scummy about him fmp. He says rayn does nothing but come in and bitch about how people are playing, but complains about how rayn is playing. I did miss that iGrok was town last game for whatever reason I though iGrok was replaced by Vivax who got modkilled, but it was a simultaneous thing iGrok replaced when Vivax was unjustly modkilled. Honest mistake, but it doesn't change my read of this game. Just makes the throwaway meta part of it inaccurate. "Bitch about how people are playing" No VE, you're wrong my friend I was saying that his responses were scummy because rather than trying to find scum he decided not to do so in those early posts. What you're saying here is fundamentally untrue. I was actually TOTALLY calling rayn out on being scum. I wasn't bitching about how people are playing, whereas rayn literally just called a few people stupid and nothing else. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On May 20 2019 15:07 Jockmcplop wrote: Fuck you man. I'm here ask anything you want. I'm also grumpy in the mornings. Would you kill ruxxar? If no, why not? What about disformation and Calix? Those are the three options I am presenting today, and if you want my rationale you can check my previous posts. We aren’t killing rayn day 1. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote: idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really) someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now WTF this is scummy. So apologetic about his read. And he has played recently - End of the World Mafia.. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On May 20 2019 15:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Would you kill ruxxar? If no, why not? What about disformation and Calix? Those are the three options I am presenting today, and if you want my rationale you can check my previous posts. We aren’t killing rayn day 1. I only have 10 minutes before I gotta go to work I'll have a quick check of their filters. | ||
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