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On May 25 2019 03:14 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 03:11 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 03:09 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 03:06 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 03:05 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. igrok obv town.
But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e This is really funny, don't you think? On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote:
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.
Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse. One can only hope they see the light after you die. Dont focus and arguing with them. Just post opinions and your opinion only. Make it your testament. Yeah, that's why I decided to just completely tune out HF at this point. Just not worth engaging with mafia. Should I even bother doing a stitch of my read list or should I just say fuck it because mafia are going to misconstrue it and get me lynched anyways? I dont care. Just do it for yourself and look at the results endgame. If you spam dumb shit people do what they want. If you make brilliant cases people do what they want. You play for yourself. Truth. + Show Spoiler +
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On May 25 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 03:20 Koshi wrote:
VE not doing anything with this image is just ridiculous not? Just waiting out the aftermath. Lol.
Well ok. Maybe wbg has 1 correct read. You think this image makes him town? Or what? I'm mafia for.....not unvoting Grok? What does this even mean?
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On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 03:20 Koshi wrote:
VE not doing anything with this image is just ridiculous not? Just waiting out the aftermath. Lol.
Well ok. Maybe wbg has 1 correct read. You think this image makes him town? Or what? I'm mafia for.....not unvoting Grok? What does this even mean? they were never hidden + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this.
none of the things that should be coloured are
half the things that are coloured don't make sense together
inconsistent colouring based on events occuring after so the colours don't change with new info
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On May 25 2019 03:33 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 03:20 Koshi wrote:
VE not doing anything with this image is just ridiculous not? Just waiting out the aftermath. Lol.
Well ok. Maybe wbg has 1 correct read. You think this image makes him town? Or what? I'm mafia for.....not unvoting Grok? What does this even mean? they were never hidden + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this. Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does.
Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do?
I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why?
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On May 25 2019 03:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 03:33 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 03:24 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2019 03:20 Koshi wrote:
VE not doing anything with this image is just ridiculous not? Just waiting out the aftermath. Lol.
Well ok. Maybe wbg has 1 correct read. You think this image makes him town? Or what? I'm mafia for.....not unvoting Grok? What does this even mean? they were never hidden + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + Then idk. That img is just an incomplete thread summary with SOME thoughts. Not to minimize the way you work iGrok but I really don't see why anyone townreads you for this. Also, see the post above the one you quoted. Please don't take what HF says about my methods as more true than what I say about my methods. You might not think its good/effective but at the very least I know more about what I'm doing than someone else does. Look, I don't care if you read me mafia or if I read you mafia I just want an honest answer, as the guy responsible for leading the lynch on you. Why have you not reevaluated your read on me when your town read disformation has said you've got it wrong, your other town reads don't scum read me for what you say and they play a lot more with me than you do? I've pointed out where you're wrong on me and you fail to evaluate new information, why?
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On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
I mean it's not inconsistent with what he's said in the thread but it is opportunistic to throw in the "I haven't paid much attention to him d2".
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On May 25 2019 04:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:00 iGrok wrote:On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
iGrok if you are town you need to do a better job of explaining yourself. You’re still getting lynched at this rate because I can’t even read your blurry images so to me it seems like you don’t want people to read what you’ve written, if indeed you have spent some effort on the game. I can’t see a town motivation for that so if you can’t even do the common courtesy of copy pasting that into the thread then there is 0 chance of anyone moving their vote on you.
Copy/pasting breaks all the formatting and leaves it illegible. I tried that originally, didn't work. Sorry. If you click on the image, it'll take you to the imgur site where you can see it full size. You may need to click it on their site to fully zoom in, but I promise its completely legible. Sorry but I'm just not going to format something twice. On May 25 2019 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
We are lynching iGrok today, and you know that if he flips town, I will never lynch HF.
This doesn't make any sense. Good. It only makes sense to mafia who have TMI.Every townie in the game barring you if you are actually town should have agreed with the case on you. VE rayn and Koshi have had all the “correct” reads and literally 0 reasons. It basically feels like they are all channeling Grackaroni from last game.
I mean if he's mafia with TMI who is pushing town me then he's going to say it doesn't make sense???
Regardless, I've already done your work for you on the people not voting igrok:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/547420-72-24-midnight-sun-mafia?page=164#3268
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I have to say Conversion's re-entry today was really bad for several reasons:
He didn't actually remember what his read on iGrok was:
On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you?
but his read just a few posts before was:
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
I called him out and it was:
On May 25 2019 00:37 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:28 Conversion wrote:On May 24 2019 04:32 Holyflare wrote:On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis I'm sorry you feel this way and honestly, I'm not surprised. I've played a really mediocre game so far. This doesn't discourage me though, you're a good player and it's only natural for human error to make you waiver on your judgement and be wrong sometimes. I'll endeavour to put you back on the correct course! Can you answer me one thing though! How come I am next to iGrok on a list? pre reading HF's dissertation on why iGrok is mafia: you're next to iGrok on a list because historically I read you as mafia when you are town, and town when you are mafia (although iirc you've been mafia once in CCCP when you/koshi/+1 just completely bulldozed town with some fuckery that I still don't understand) iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides thatanyways I know you're into this iGrok lynch-- who else? is Artanis still on board with you? On May 24 2019 04:01 Conversion wrote:
jokes aside, I'm in a pretty good mood. I'm flying to California soon, maybe I'll check in in a bit to read the thread some more.
here's my state of the game:
list of reads so far:
(the tiers are orders, the people in tiers are not)
REREAD WHEN I HAVE TIME (these 2 were scum before, what do I think about them now?):
koshi
disformation
town, never lynch:
bugs (pls come back bugs when it is morning in JAPAN)
probably town, look at others below before lynching:
calix
VE
BC
jock
rayn
null to scummish depending on how well I slept that night:
holyflare
igrok
probably scum:
artanis but you put him as null to scummish??? considering I have one probably scum, two people I want to actively re-evaluate, and basically the rest of the game town, I could see him being scum by purely PoE. if you're asking why it's weird that I'd have you both in the scummish pile, the moment I'd read either one of you as town/mafia, I'd re-evaluate. I don't see a world where busy mafia!Holyflare screams about mafia!iGrok all day (and now more compounded by your behemoth of a post on why he's scum). I guess if I really wanted to tinfoil I could see a mafia!iGrok trying to weakly push a mafia!HF while it's "safe" to do so, but the EoD still doesn't make sense. no need to draw random bad attention to yourself like that. just AFK.
It's really weird because his original post had this:
iGrok I felt was town b/c the EoD thing he did was sooo weird. like who does that as scum? I haven't read into him much besides that
So it was like he was just getting ready to jump on the bandwagon? Coupled with his posts after researching iGrok it's:
On May 25 2019 00:50 Conversion wrote:
hmm damn I really hate iGrok's OMGUS case against HF. If he believed in it so hard, why was he floating by the thread reminiscing about the Good Ol' Days.. instead of pushing his actual scumread or at least doing something around then. If HF didn't write that dissertation, would he have even popped up to do anything?
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On May 25 2019 00:53 Conversion wrote:oooh I think I'm seeing the light HF (not gonna lie I didn't really read your big wall of texterino) Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 08:22 iGrok wrote:
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.
If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.
Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either... Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. but he still votes HF at the end!
It turns out he doesn't even know really why iGrok voted where he did or what was going on? I find that hard to believe since he interacted with iGrok for like the entire hour before deadline? Conversion wasn't interested where people were voted? He even got iGrok's vote wrong!
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On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
I mean artanis COULD be mafia but then you have to think of the following things:
If you think iGrok could also be mafia and likely is then what are mafia doing? They have 2 mafia up for lynch and they're not promoting alternatives hard enough to save their teammates? Alternatively, if iGrok is mafia Artanis is the counter wagon of choice and vice versa.
Unless you think mafia are trying to push a counter wagon in me (from iGrok) but then why is iGrok not really pushing that read and his only alternative is Artanis now that he's decided to eliminate calix from his mafia read for no reason (other than he scum reads me so if she's town, conveniently leaves her open next as his logic puzzle bs)?
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On May 25 2019 04:28 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand how this town is so divided. Cant believe it.
You have quite literally caused this. You don't post any case, no proper reasons for defending people and spam whatever. You need to lead a thread if you want anything done, not undermine the only person that was actually leading it repeatedly.
What is the case to lynch artanis that people should follow over the case on iGrok?
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Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D
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I can't believe you'd have perfect info that you essentially got shot most likely and you thought iGrok top towned you "beacause you shared the same reads" :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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On May 25 2019 04:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did. Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time. Come on hf.
It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts.
You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you.
Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone.
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On May 25 2019 04:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 04:35 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2019 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Ah, this explains why igrok town reads koshi so hard :D :D :D :D :D He tr me before the shot. Come on. Mafia dont do what iGrok did. Make a spreadsheet with the sole intention to find mafia. And you can see the updates over time. So it is not made in 1 time. Come on hf. It's not a spreadsheet, we can't see the updates in real time until he was essentially forced to now and even now we can't see how he updates it or what his metric is for colouring posts. You can read his colouring of you and in no way is it consistent with how much he town reads you until after they shot you. Even if he did town read you that much before the deadline who the fuck else in the game did that would shoot you? You don't scum read rayn, you don't really or didn't scum read me or at least were never a threat. You scum read everyone in the game so not exactly a threat to anyone. Can we liek pls pls pls not lynch iGrok?
But WHY artanis then? Just because he's afk and not really posted much? Poe?
Why do you defend conversion from rayn? Did you read what I just wrote about his stance on igrok?
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On May 25 2019 04:39 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Once people start claiming roles I get really confused really fast.
I would appreciate it so much if someone could - out of the kindness of your obviously oversized hearts - explain shit to me like a 2 year old - in spoilers if you want to avoid disrupting the thread vibe, or I might disappear...
Koshi has claimed veteran to stop nonsense reads on him and because mafia would likely know he's a veteran or was jailed anyway. More likely to stop nonsense. I guess it's also to get him some thread power? Don't hate the play tbh. If he's just getting jailed it doesn't say he can't get jailed again so not a bad play either.
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On May 25 2019 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
That is the scummiest claim I’ve ever seen
No way mafia shoots Koshi of all people in this game, over HF, over Jock, over myself even
He should be autolynch here for that
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On May 25 2019 04:42 Koshi wrote:
I can also be town veteran and mafia forgot to shoot. But that is not important.
nah
Mafia can not hold their shot. In the (hopefully unlikely) event that no mafia shot is presented to the hosts, a non-mafia target will be chosen at random.
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