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On May 25 2019 07:56 disformation wrote:
for the record: pretty sure he was quoting you out of context there.
Nope, he’s basically just been scumslipping constantly. His claim carries almost no weight whatsoever.
Like he just said two really important things that probably everyone missed:
1. he thinks mafia “eliminated” the Jock mislynch. That’s really strange because there are only three-four players who really tried to scumread Jock to my recollection, and they’re:
rayn, HF, VE, BC
Of these, BC is the only one IIRC who had Jock on a watchlist and didn’t actually push Jock much.
So, the other 3 started townreading Jock really hard after the shenanigans that happened when Jock freaked out, while myself and a bunch of other players did not really scumread Jock at all either before nor after. No one even used Jock’s alignment and those events to call anyone else scum until Koshi doing so just now.
However if he actually thinks this is the case, why does he not scumread any of rayn & HF & VE here for being the only ones who hard stance swapped? What would Mafia motivation be for “eliminating a mislynch” and if I’m scum here why would I ever eliminate a mislynch BEFORE the town confirming events?
2. He just said the post I quoted, https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27366801
Basically his story up till now has been “why would I risk getting counterclaimed as town” into a post that a.) admits his intention is for people to use his claim on info purposes for one lynch only and that b.) he knows he will be counter claimed eventually. No idea why he would say either of those two things unless he has TMI here.
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ugh look at the two koshi posts before that. like right before that:
On May 25 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch.
On May 25 2019 06:01 Koshi wrote:
Of there is another veteran same shit. Like I would know who that is. And then kill me for a 1v1?
Bah. Come on.
On May 25 2019 06:02 Koshi wrote:
You should use the info I was shot for at least 1 lynch. Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure.
so context says he is talking about a world where he is _not_ vet and fakeclaiming?
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On May 25 2019 08:12 disformation wrote:ugh look at the two koshi posts before that. like right before that: Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:00 Koshi wrote:
If there is a jailor I am dead. You know that right? My play is what? Kill myself over what exactly?
It would be me and I guess iGrok after.
Why?
I did this to progress some people their reads and because there is a chance I will die tonight. And the shot is info for this lynch. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:01 Koshi wrote:
Of there is another veteran same shit. Like I would know who that is. And then kill me for a 1v1?
Bah. Come on. Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 06:02 Koshi wrote:
You should use the info I was shot for at least 1 lynch. Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure. so context says he is talking about a world where he is _not_ vet and fakeclaiming?
Real veteran or jailor will claim after night for sure
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Uh no, ONLY the veteran would. The Jailor would 100% unequivocally NEVER claim after saving someone because claiming NEVER FINDS MAFIA THERE.
Even town Koshi is not stupid enough to seriously insinuate this and he just literally said that.
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liek first quote:
if i was fakeclaiming and there was a jailer
2nd:
or if there is a real vet
3rd:
use the info of me being shot for this lynch. if i was fake the real one will claim after next night anyways.
should be right, right koshi?
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On May 25 2019 08:16 disformation wrote:
liek first quote:
if i was fakeclaiming and there was a jailer
2nd:
or if there is a real vet
3rd:
use the info of me being shot for this lynch. if i was fake the real one will claim after next night anyways.
should be right, right koshi?
Just skimmed it but probably.
I am off to bed. It's late.
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On May 25 2019 08:16 disformation wrote:
liek first quote:
if i was fakeclaiming and there was a jailer
2nd:
or if there is a real vet
3rd:
use the info of me being shot for this lynch. if i was fake the real one will claim after next night anyways.
should be right, right koshi?
Use your brain.
After a night flip with no dead townie, the optimal veteran play is to claim instantly. Why? Because only town doesn’t know who the veteran is, because mafia already know who they shot and if you’re a veteran you no longer have a good reason to hide your role after seeing the flip.
A jailor has 0 reason to claim right after night like Koshi is falsely making equivalent with veteran, because a jailor would have saved a townread. Why the fuck would the JK out themselves after a successful save on night phase (so that mafia can hit/RB them for free the next night??) when they saved a townread and have ZERO INFORMATION on who could be scum???
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
Claiming veteran is also a really dumb thing to do after the night because mafia DO NOT know if they are a veteran or a jail save. For all we know koshi could be lying and was actually saved and is making a play to get saved again since there's nothing in the op about having to target different people each night.
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On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it.
fine, this is actually a really fair point.
I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi.
If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose.
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On May 25 2019 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it. fine, this is actually a really fair point. I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi. If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose.
That is a good scenario to happen because then we've stopped 2 mafia kp??? Jailor doesn't have to claim.
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Why are you jumping to mafia koshi making the really really suboptimal play of losing 2kp and highlighting himself as obvious mafia if it goes wrong rather than the much more simple version that he's the vet?
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On May 25 2019 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
I will never ever believe Koshi is mafia here in this situation and no amount of saying it's obvious will make any of us believe it. He will get shot tonight and then it is obvious isn't it? Just let it resolve itself and speak nothing more of it. fine, this is actually a really fair point. I think if there is a jailor here though they should not target Koshi. If Koshi is scum, they can cause a jailor to out themselves by telling the jailor to target Koshi and then having Koshi carry the KP, ensuring another no kill and ensuring the jailor would then claim on behalf of saving Koshi. If that happens we basically insta-lose. That is a good scenario to happen because then we've stopped 2 mafia kp??? Jailor doesn't have to claim.
Sure, but someone would “confirm” scum Koshi as town eventually unless they never claim, and I think regardless of stopping 2 KP we’d never lynch Koshi and the diff is that scum trade a cycle for getting a scum into confirmed town.
Like if I’m misinterpreting Koshi and he meant jailor claims after the next night, he literally just said that he thinks they should do that.
Also rayn never backtracked his PC claim so if there is a jailor and any other blue, there is essentially guaranteed to be a fake claim in the mix on balance consideration.
Like imagine:
Parity cop
Veteran
(Jailor)
(Other blue)
^ one of the first two is scum, more likely veteran than anything else.
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Because that wouldn't fit within his preferred NARRATIVE.
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On May 25 2019 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you jumping to mafia koshi making the really really suboptimal play of losing 2kp and highlighting himself as obvious mafia if it goes wrong rather than the much more simple version that he's the vet?
Because I also have TMI.
I’ll let you figure it out. If you can’t, then just lynch me tomorrow.
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btw I actually legitly keep forgetting that rayn did not backtrack his PC claim because he sort of half pretended it was fake on d1.
So he’s way less likely to be scum than VE & Koshi IMO so either the last one is iGrok or you.
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I guess it could be Artanis or BC here as well but I TR them both.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter. We kill iGrok.
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Day Two Vote Count
Artanis[Xp] (5): Jockmcplop, Koshi, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Conversion, VisceraEyes, Koshi, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes
iGrok (5): Holyflare, Calix, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Wherebugsgo, Artanis[Xp], Disformation, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, Wherebugsgo
Calix (1): VisceraEyes, Koshi, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes
Holyflare(1): iGrok
Wherebugsgo(0): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, Koshi, Holyflare
VisceraEyes(0): VisceraEyes
Koshi(0): Wherebugsgo
Not voting(0):
Artanis is currently set to be lynched with 5 votes.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On May 25 2019 08:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
I guess it could be Artanis or BC here as well but I TR them both.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter. We kill iGrok.
On May 25 2019 08:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Artanis[Xp] (5): Jockmcplop, Koshi, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Conversion, VisceraEyes, Koshi, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes
iGrok (5): Holyflare, Calix, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Wherebugsgo, Artanis[Xp], Disformation, Jockmcplop, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, Wherebugsgo
Calix (1): VisceraEyes, Koshi, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes
Holyflare(1): iGrok
Wherebugsgo(0): Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, Koshi, Holyflare
VisceraEyes(0): VisceraEyes
Koshi(0): Wherebugsgo
Not voting(0):
Artanis is currently set to be lynched with 5 votes.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, May 26 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
apparently we dont.
well nearly 2 am.
will be around tomorrow. gn8 everyone.
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I think I’m afk till both flips are done cause I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said in my filter, and I do not see any reason for me to re-evaluate my reads until flip.
1. Optimal lynch today is iGrok because none of the claim business has anything to do with his alignment. The most evidence points to him being scum over any other player.
2. I gut TR Artanis and BC and am looking forward to seeing their posts. My reads might evolve there but I have already posed them both questions and am just waiting. Not sure if I’ll bother interacting with them cause I have a strong preference to passively watch now as I’m feeling 100% more confident about the game and have lost my tilt after changing my posting style
3. HF is right about Koshi’s claim resolving itself eventually and I’m not worried about it even though my gut and the evidence so far says he is scum here. Plus the situation I mentioned to insert Koshi into “confirmed” town does require scum to delay the game yet another half cycle which is great for us.
4. My stance and reasons for VE being scum are clear and restating them more is not useful when every time I mention them VE responds by burying my post instead of actually contributing anything useful. You all can come to your own conclusion on VE this game without my help as it is not my sole responsibility to get him lynched.
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Just voted Artanis because of the two of us he’s scummier. Would still prefer HF Lynch.
Going to meet Alakaslam for dinner in LA, then another plane home  .
I’ll be back before N2.
And sure, this may look scummy as shit, but fuck you im tired and I don’t want to read 10 pages of is he - isn’t he about Koshi. You have my reads, most of you either agree but still think I’m shady or think they are bad and think I’m shady, so gfys and keep spamming away.
Peace
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