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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:18 GMT
#2941
but we. would prefer you to just post the reads and a preferably good explanation.
but you do you
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:21 GMT
#2942
is there a world where both art and bc can be scum?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:23 GMT
#2943
bleh going to bed.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 22:27 GMT
#2944
Only other thing I will say on the game link I posted. Artanis was also an observer for that game. So its not like he could forget =\
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 23 2019 22:28 GMT
#2945
On May 24 2019 07:16 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
This post contains only facts and no reads.

1. Artanis attacked me for getting a supposedly easily fact-checkable thing wrong about who between he and BC accused the other first.

2. Artanis said I took no hard stances which implies he doesn’t know how ruxxar died and how Calix lived. Or, for that matter, which players took hard stances on Jock before Jock basically became confirmed.

My game on #2495 is still open to play however both of my (almost) confirmed town reads have basically won it already.

which post? guess you mean the one by art.
also pretty easy guess that the one player of calix/grok/art you think is scum is art. with the two outlandish ones im not sure. just for being outlandishish id say like hf/koshi? dunno man. though that would maybe explain why this game is this wild?


“This post” = the one I just posted. “Artanis said” = post where he cases (?) me. 2495 meant 2565, the game I’m hosting within this game.

I will make an addendum to the game and say that after my previous post I have added an additional player who I think may fit the criteria, but it wasn’t true/obvious until recently. And it also changes the number of people who might be involved in today’s lynch from 1 to 2.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:31 GMT
#2946
On May 24 2019 07:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Only other thing I will say on the game link I posted. Artanis was also an observer for that game. So its not like he could forget =\

also was pretty recent. -.-
might have fucked up my reads. -.-
On May 24 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 07:16 disformation wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
This post contains only facts and no reads.

1. Artanis attacked me for getting a supposedly easily fact-checkable thing wrong about who between he and BC accused the other first.

2. Artanis said I took no hard stances which implies he doesn’t know how ruxxar died and how Calix lived. Or, for that matter, which players took hard stances on Jock before Jock basically became confirmed.

My game on #2495 is still open to play however both of my (almost) confirmed town reads have basically won it already.

which post? guess you mean the one by art.
also pretty easy guess that the one player of calix/grok/art you think is scum is art. with the two outlandish ones im not sure. just for being outlandishish id say like hf/koshi? dunno man. though that would maybe explain why this game is this wild?


“This post” = the one I just posted. “Artanis said” = post where he cases (?) me. 2495 meant 2565, the game I’m hosting within this game.

I will make an addendum to the game and say that after my previous post I have added an additional player who I think may fit the criteria, but it wasn’t true/obvious until recently. And it also changes the number of people who might be involved in today’s lynch from 1 to 2.

aight.
think i want to look at the game for real tomorrow.
might be more productive than me looking at filters n shit.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 23 2019 22:39 GMT
#2947
On May 24 2019 07:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 07:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Only other thing I will say on the game link I posted. Artanis was also an observer for that game. So its not like he could forget =\

also was pretty recent. -.-
might have fucked up my reads. -.-
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:16 disformation wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
This post contains only facts and no reads.

1. Artanis attacked me for getting a supposedly easily fact-checkable thing wrong about who between he and BC accused the other first.

2. Artanis said I took no hard stances which implies he doesn’t know how ruxxar died and how Calix lived. Or, for that matter, which players took hard stances on Jock before Jock basically became confirmed.

My game on #2495 is still open to play however both of my (almost) confirmed town reads have basically won it already.

which post? guess you mean the one by art.
also pretty easy guess that the one player of calix/grok/art you think is scum is art. with the two outlandish ones im not sure. just for being outlandishish id say like hf/koshi? dunno man. though that would maybe explain why this game is this wild?


“This post” = the one I just posted. “Artanis said” = post where he cases (?) me. 2495 meant 2565, the game I’m hosting within this game.

I will make an addendum to the game and say that after my previous post I have added an additional player who I think may fit the criteria, but it wasn’t true/obvious until recently. And it also changes the number of people who might be involved in today’s lynch from 1 to 2.

aight.
think i want to look at the game for real tomorrow.
might be more productive than me looking at filters n shit.


Three more fact additions.

You are actually one of the four players who fit my criteria, and I believe neither HF nor Koshi fit.

Remember that I don’t know entirely how I feel about my little game yet, though I will admit in your case the rest of my evidence not based on my little game points me in the exact opposite direction.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 23 2019 22:40 GMT
#2948
[image loading]
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:43 GMT
#2949
On May 24 2019 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 07:31 disformation wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Only other thing I will say on the game link I posted. Artanis was also an observer for that game. So its not like he could forget =\

also was pretty recent. -.-
might have fucked up my reads. -.-
On May 24 2019 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:16 disformation wrote:
On May 24 2019 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
This post contains only facts and no reads.

1. Artanis attacked me for getting a supposedly easily fact-checkable thing wrong about who between he and BC accused the other first.

2. Artanis said I took no hard stances which implies he doesn’t know how ruxxar died and how Calix lived. Or, for that matter, which players took hard stances on Jock before Jock basically became confirmed.

My game on #2495 is still open to play however both of my (almost) confirmed town reads have basically won it already.

which post? guess you mean the one by art.
also pretty easy guess that the one player of calix/grok/art you think is scum is art. with the two outlandish ones im not sure. just for being outlandishish id say like hf/koshi? dunno man. though that would maybe explain why this game is this wild?


“This post” = the one I just posted. “Artanis said” = post where he cases (?) me. 2495 meant 2565, the game I’m hosting within this game.

I will make an addendum to the game and say that after my previous post I have added an additional player who I think may fit the criteria, but it wasn’t true/obvious until recently. And it also changes the number of people who might be involved in today’s lynch from 1 to 2.

aight.
think i want to look at the game for real tomorrow.
might be more productive than me looking at filters n shit.


Three more fact additions.

You are actually one of the four players who fit my criteria, and I believe neither HF nor Koshi fit.

Remember that I don’t know entirely how I feel about my little game yet, though I will admit in your case the rest of my evidence not based on my little game points me in the exact opposite direction.

Ah tbh I wasn't sure on me fitting or not.
Again HF and Joshi were only a crap shoot on the merit of being outlandish. If I have time I'll take a more informed guess.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 23 2019 22:52 GMT
#2950
On May 24 2019 01:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Like I'm trying to find reads you've made on people that aren't 100% waffle and there's a few but not many.

The main reason I started looking into this is because this is as far as I got with my spreadsheet yesterday:


[image loading]


swap columns B and K for me. While you’re at it, you can shade in B as solid green.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 22:52 GMT
#2951
HF. Given that you had a hand in molding his Mafia game. What is it that makes you so certain he is more town than not? Asking because I find reading him a clusterfuck -_-
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 23 2019 22:54 GMT
#2952
On May 24 2019 07:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
HF. Given that you had a hand in molding his Mafia game. What is it that makes you so certain he is more town than not? Asking because I find reading him a clusterfuck -_-


Who exactly are we talking about?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 22:55 GMT
#2953
Oh lol I was waiting to see what HF was counting the time down for. Gotcha
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 22:57 GMT
#2954
Oh fuck I somehow erased the name.

Koshi is who I meant to put in that.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 23 2019 23:01 GMT
#2955
Why am I still here at 1am despite wanting to go to bed for like an hour?

I love playing with you clowns. Just sayin
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 23 2019 23:02 GMT
#2956
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.

Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.

Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.

It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 23:04 GMT
#2957
On May 24 2019 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, I'm beginning to think he's mafia just based purely on voting and berating.

Bet he'll end up being medic or something though and use it to case me :D His early game posts were fairly townie but he's being a right shitter recently. All his list posts are wildly inconsistent with what he should be thinking because none of them make sense together, he scum reads people in a list but then uses them as town reads forgetting they're in the list (iGrok) etc.

Pretty sure he facilitated the switch onto ruxxar by not voting for the highest wagon on d1 who he even thought was mafia too. Now he keeps throwing my name in as mafia despite not really thinking I'm mafia. Getting bit opportune, probably because he's running out of names to call mafia.

It's a pretty night and day difference to go from struggling to post last game to 21 pages of spam this game though. So, conclusion is, want him to stop being a shitter and actually play without all the obfuscation that he's been doing and post honest thoughts and work with townies.


Thats fair, I appreciate the input.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 23 2019 23:05 GMT
#2958
Also for anyone who hasn't and plans to filter dive rayn, its long and painful. Especially when comparing it to other games -_-
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 23 2019 23:07 GMT
#2959
So I have gone through Artanis' posts and while he could be a mafia who had a good start and is struggling to maintain it, I'm not entirely convinced. He has a high degree of internal consistency and makes several valid points throughout the game which seem reasonable and like something that a townie would point out (although many of these are in the earlier stages of the game so the 'mafia falling off' theory is possible).

My problems with him would be this:

1. I'm not sure why he thought this was BC's mafia meta [from my POV I wouldn't have come to the same conclusion based on that one weird BC post. But I have said this already].

2. His WBG post was bad and didn't sufficiently show mafia motivation nor did it consider WBG's D2 posts very well.

3. His reasoning for scum-reading VE and myself after EOD1 seems superficial to me. Ties in with #2 because he's clearly struggling to find scum-reads.

[can't relate to this, lol]

Anyway Artanis COULD be mafia. But none of these points are quality IMO. iGrok has a way higher chance of hitting red. We should kill him instead.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 23 2019 23:14 GMT
#2960
On May 24 2019 01:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
If everyone tells me I'm being stupid here I'll shut up about it

Hf is mafia. Never change your read and dont read his posts bcz he will make you change your mind
I had a good night of sleep.
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