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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote: And I'm sorry for not mentioning it earlier, I saw you AHA at it when you saw it. IF there's ONLY ONE mafia between them, based SOLELY on that interaction, which would you think it would be? It would be hf for the reasons in the post above | ||
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VisceraEyes
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:05 Jockmcplop wrote: The main thing is how they don't talk about each other after this interaction... Its like hf wanted to do something re:artanis and land on a townread so he could move on. That's how it looks to me anyway. There are no solid reasons for any of what hf did here or previously regarding his reads on artanis. Its just random made up crap that artanis then points out and hf, in a very UNHFLIKE manner then says "Oh yeah you're right you're town" and doesn't mention it again. Okay. I get your point. I havent really read into what HF has said and dont remember what Artanis has said since forever. Let's see when they answer you. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
The point about hf not fakeclaiming, and how he is acting differently, added to this is starting to make something like a decent case though. All stuff that can be explained but only with a multitude of excuses (reasons) and becomes increasingly alignment indicative the more weird behaviours he exhibits. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
though did that stuff as town too before. handing out fairly easy townreads d1 so i can poe a bit and focus my attention better. though maybe i got a bit pocketed/buddy-ed by her? def. have to read her filter properly when i am at home. hope my headache is gone by the time i get home. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
i would agree with art that i didnt mind the n1 stuff by bc. then again all bc was to say that all the big names are town and he is going to step back from the tunnel and reevaluate. and his posts today didnt say much. he reads grok, says grok town and votes art. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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VisceraEyes
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Conversion
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing. VE does raise a good point on Igrok however before we decide to fully opt that route we should wait for him to get back from being gone all day on a plane to post anything to get a better idea. I am fine with putting him on the likely red list for now but I feel like its fine to give the man a few more posts before damning him given what he has posted thus far. Also this is being quoted for anyone who bothers to think on it. I feel it will give me / anyone with brains proper reads on eachother this game. the only ironic thing about this statement is that BC was shitting on calix for following thread sentiment, but like.. didn't acknowledge rayn OR ruxxar being town for calling Calix out in the same way, before him in fact, let's look at BC's post right afterwards on rayn/ruxxar, which should have started rather strong town at this point On May 20 2019 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: After that post. Early thread leanings VE - Town Rayn - Null - possible town HF - null to scum Jock - null to scum Ruxxar - Lean scum Callix - Scum uh.. what? How is ruxxar and Calix scum together? and why is rayn only a null, possible town? #256 ruxxar scumreads calix, rayn has #224 onwards calling Calix out. both of them called similarly to BC, but he doesn't acknowledge them? kind of a weird post, doesn't make him scummy though imo I guess the ruxxar thing makes more sense since it might seem more of a shake suspicion onto Calix maybe to distance, but still. On May 20 2019 07:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: List of shit because I want to. Town reads VE HF (god help me) Mafia reads Ruxxar Calix Disinformation Null Everyone else only thing weird here is rayn being a null, but unexplained reads != mafia. he actually explains why Rayn is null, woops seems to try really hard to his Calix read, tries to revert the thread back to it: On May 20 2019 07:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonna post these now as I feel current trend has gone away from them. So lets talk about it! Also, Bugs and VE ruxxar/calix/disfo his core 3, still. adds me in as well at #509 I do like the fact that he considers bugs town at #959, mostly cause I consider bugs town as well On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This thread is such a clusterfuck. Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar. I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours? Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten? This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus. and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong. now this, this is a weird post. can someone tell me if this is NAI? why would someone distance off their top2 scum reads to try and redivert the thread elsewhere? It's not quite like BC had a lot of his reads evolve, methinks either. On May 21 2019 20:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: damnit bugs. We have such differing reads on a few players =\ Basically mine is as followed Town BC WBG HF (again god help me) VE Null Koshi Conversion Jock Rayn (although he is leaning to the scum column now) Calix (only because I think Ruxxar is higher chance to be mafia, but could still be red) Igrok Mafia Ruxxar Disinformation Artanis gives a list here, artanis swapped with Calix. his reasoning is that Ruxxar > Calix mafia, but Calix was the one he called out first? I think this was around the time Ruxxar was floating around, though. so maybe it was that. I like his #1235 and #1240 in calling me out. I guess I just like people calling me out in mafia, weirdly enough. also called disfo out as well. On May 21 2019 20:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im upgrading Calix atm to a town read based on the last few pages. Also ill do a more concentrated dive on VE. Jesus fuck I don't want to look into that filter though lol same dude, same. 20 page filter FML  idk BC's meta, never played with him. but nothing in the above dive seems particularly scummy to me. I'm actually leaning town, he's actively trying to solve the game, asking people their thoughts, questioning and following up, being transparent (ish) with his changes in tiers of town/mafia now the real flip that I'm confused with is he suddenly starts going gungho, super saiyan suicide going to trade with Artanis when he gets cased by him, one of his scum reads: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2019 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Well. At least someone I think is mafia finally hard stanced me. However Artanis the issue with your entire case is its completely made up. Lets look at your first point. My first post was appearing into the thread. I gave a justifiable reason to stop the stupidity of the first bit of the game day based on how I see things. You can disagree all you want, but attempting to stop a slug fest that benefits no one in thread is not a bad thing. Second. I provide a scum read, and gave you a solid reason for it. Again regardless of if you agree with it, my thoughts were there. Third, I give a reason as to why I disagree with VE. Which is normal given our way of interacting with eachother in thread. Then I have a follow up question to get reads on people Now lets move to your third point as its the most damning of well you. You chose to meta read me. More importantly, give that you were the host last game, you should know my meta perfectly well. IE you should have it on lock almost as well as VE, HF, Bugs, etc... Why? because you hosted a game I was in and clearly can see my meta from there. Instead you cherry pick 3 posts. Now the first one isnt even me being aggressive. I will give you a post for comparison from my mafia meta in end of the world + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2019 06:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What the fuck is this post. I honestly for most of this time thought you were just a bad townie but like the fuck is this shit? You don't want to kill the policy lynch in a few hours because the guy claims to have read his pm then aside from one post has done dick fuck all. You then say you want Palmar as mayor over HF because you trust Palmar over HF to find mafia. Why? What reason do you have that Palmar will do a better job. Also to iterate what other people have said. HF wants to lynch Oats just like you do..... for fuck sakes dude. In regards to the other 2 posts you use? Shit on the thread? Didn't provide alternatives. Disinformation, Ruxxar, Calix, You. All people Ive mentioned as alternatives. Now before you Go screaming thread sentiment. Or (as this leads into your next point of my scum reads only being people who scum read me) I bring up, Disinformation, and Ruxxar before either of them begins scumreading me. I will give you that my read on you is almost in direct relation to you posting at myself. Why? Because you are actively trying to fabricate shit that doesn't exist. You have actively chosen to ignore large parts of my filter to create a nice story to accuse me with. Also trying to throw shade on me for not trying to get my preferred lynch killed when literally no one aside from bugs was even willing to vote that way? Again, scummy as hell dude. So fuck it. People want to kill me, go for it. However the trade of me for artanis is a good one. Ill gladly go 1 for 1 with you buddy. now, before this BC seemed rather controlled (some outbursts of frustration here and there, but nothing big), but damn this is a big OMGUS F U to Artanis the thing is I don't quite think that the case got as much traction to warrant this response, so it seems incredibly out of place. I also find it weird that he didn't comment on Calix's casual post on how she can get behind Artanis' case-- just seems incredibly tunneled onto his scum read calling him scum. is that something BC does as either alignment?? my gut says town, especially since I tunnel rather hard on the OMGUS (note to self: try meta diving) + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death. As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so. No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm. Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet. Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this. Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting. As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am. That leaves everyone else. There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure. the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now. I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside. On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him. Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to. That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well. good posts. I like it, calls out that he didn't like how he got his initial read on Artanis, but still believes in it. the rest of the posts are rather sparse, but overall BC seems to play like a town figuring the game out. the only hole here, which I think BC can answer why he's back, is what about Artanis' posts after the initial scumread was mafia enough for BC to stick to his guns? I recall him mentioning some other people sharing his reads and such, but no real case against Artanis after calling his initial way of reading Artanis bad. in a vacuum, BC seems town | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
if i remember correctly someone said that art and bc have history so part of the strong reaction of bc is that "art should know better than to get the meta read wrong" imo | ||
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Conversion
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
so imo bc can still be scum problem is that im not really sure on art anymore | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:30 disformation wrote: oh yeah bc obv had some interactions with calix but i dont think they went anywhere really interesting. so imo bc can still be scum problem is that im not really sure on art anymore i know preflip associations suck, but i dont think there is a world where both are scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On May 23 2019 23:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Why though? Can you explain this like I'm much less intelligent than you? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote: HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. On May 23 2019 23:55 Jockmcplop wrote: HF never answered this question and I really don't want it to go unanswered. Does anyone else think this was super weird. I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision. The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched). So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game. This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: I can easily answer it for you. I can see how it would be weird for you but I don't think I'd ever interact with a mafia partner like that. I normally just bus or hard defend, none of this meek in between stuff that makes me look bad because of indecision. The thing about this game is that my early play will be so polarising to a work week that it's like a whole different player. This game is like the last thing on my mind (that's a lie really) but I just pop in and see a post and register it as a post I don't like but my critical evaluation brain is switched off and I'll just blurt out my thoughts quickly. I'll go back to work pondering my skim and come back and say what I've been thinking even if it's wrong. This is exactly why I got pushed and lynched last game, for misremembering something and pushing it as fact (just nobody called me out on it till I get lynched). So, I called artanis out for something I believed he did wrong and his call out made me look back at his filter and correct myself. Saw this after my last post and it addresses that too... Its a very,very convenient catch all excuse that could be true... There's really not much more I can say about that to be honest. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:56 Jockmcplop wrote: I hate to keep harping on how weirdly hf is playing this game buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..... I'm struggling to find any meta examples of hf's vote landing off one of the major wagons, like ever. Until day 1 of this game. This might be tunneling but there's so much weird stuff its hard not to get drawn into it,know what i mean? My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！ I think you're pretty tunnelled | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 24 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote: My dude, I was the leading wagon voter I think when I went to bed. It was 5am when the flip and shenanigans happened. It's normally an eu friendly deadline or at least like 12 to 1am max so I stick around. I didn't do a fake claim this game because a) I've effectively ruined the last 2 games doing it and people never learn and even lynched me for it twice and b) it was 5am！ I think you're pretty tunnelled WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right? | ||
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Holyflare
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On May 24 2019 01:04 Jockmcplop wrote: WOuld you get tunnelled if someone who had been playing every single game here in a similar fashion all of a sudden started playing completely differently?? I mean you've admitted that that's what's happening so surely you can understand.... Considering we both agree that you're behaving weirdly surely we can both agree that it all comes down to whether I believe your reasons for it, right? I don't think I'm playing this game any different to the last game at all? | ||
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