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On May 25 2019 00:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote:
HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol? That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC.
Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me.
But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not.
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On May 25 2019 00:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:26 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote:
HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol? That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC. Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me. But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not. I didn't, did I? :D
What was that you were saying about iGrok? Something something hiding reads is bad something something 
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On May 25 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:32 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 00:31 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:26 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On May 25 2019 00:23 Calix wrote:
HF why do you think I am mafia again?
You just asked for my reads and even specifically wanted my VE read when I forgot it.
But then you don't do anything with the info, lol? That's me! I'm parsing like 8000 different things right now. I started reading your filter and got bored because nothing you wrote was out there too much (I only got up to you explaining your tinfoil before I got bored so that's a new record) so I'm moving on to BC. Uh ok. I'm not going to force you to make some massive post on me. But you didn't answer the question of whether you think I am mafia or not. I didn't, did I? :D What was that you were saying about iGrok? Something something hiding reads is bad something something I'm not hiding it, I just don't have one lol!
I find this hard to believe. We've had similar ideas for most of the game AFAICT yet you have no read on me whatsoever?
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Dunno why I bother with talking to you people when it's as productive as walking through a mile of Lego bricks.
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On May 25 2019 00:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:36 Calix wrote:
Dunno why I bother with talking to you people when it's as productive as walking through a mile of Lego bricks. I'm kind of twiddling my thumbs and reading BC while I wait for iGrok to post... anything. Could be here a long while.
Well I took the liberty of actually looking BC up in the database and I'm thinking he can only be mafia if he decided to become Zen or something.
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Good talk, disfo and Koshi.
Since you two are either paranoid of me or think I'm 'mafia', fancy making some sort of case? Asking some questions?
Or in Koshi's case, pushing me so that I die over 'obvtown' iGrok
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On May 25 2019 00:57 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 00:46 Calix wrote:Good talk, disfo and Koshi. Since you two are either paranoid of me or think I'm 'mafia', fancy making some sort of case? Asking some questions? Or in Koshi's case, pushing me so that I die over 'obvtown' iGrok yeah, not 100% sure about your alignment. still think you are less likely scum than grok, art, bc. your reads look reasonable to me. and unless a bunch of other guys you actually play when you are here.
Okay why are you not '100% sure'? Because it's getting annoying having people whine about how I might be mafia yet never doing anything to fix that.
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On May 25 2019 01:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 01:00 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 00:57 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 00:46 Calix wrote:Good talk, disfo and Koshi. Since you two are either paranoid of me or think I'm 'mafia', fancy making some sort of case? Asking some questions? Or in Koshi's case, pushing me so that I die over 'obvtown' iGrok yeah, not 100% sure about your alignment. still think you are less likely scum than grok, art, bc. your reads look reasonable to me. and unless a bunch of other guys you actually play when you are here. Okay why are you not '100% sure'? Because it's getting annoying having people whine about how I might be mafia yet never doing anything to fix that. I think you should stop defending yourself. I really don't think defending yourself at this point is helping anyone read you. In fact, it's making it harder for me to maintain a read on you because you defend yourself so much even now when you are under no lynch pressure that it completely overshadows your reads. I have to struggle to recall your reads when more than half your posts are like this.
I am just trying to get people to clear up their reads on me while this game is in a lull, not defending myself.
And while I could try getting Koshi to do something, I don't think that'll get me very far.
I feel like game is on pause because thread sentiment is so against iGrok that he's almost certainly going to die today unless he comes at us with a townie post. Which I doubt.
Trying to push someone else won't do a lot because that person knows they're unlikely to die today.
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On May 25 2019 01:16 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 01:13 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 01:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2019 01:00 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 00:57 disformation wrote:On May 25 2019 00:46 Calix wrote:Good talk, disfo and Koshi. Since you two are either paranoid of me or think I'm 'mafia', fancy making some sort of case? Asking some questions? Or in Koshi's case, pushing me so that I die over 'obvtown' iGrok yeah, not 100% sure about your alignment. still think you are less likely scum than grok, art, bc. your reads look reasonable to me. and unless a bunch of other guys you actually play when you are here. Okay why are you not '100% sure'? Because it's getting annoying having people whine about how I might be mafia yet never doing anything to fix that. I think you should stop defending yourself. I really don't think defending yourself at this point is helping anyone read you. In fact, it's making it harder for me to maintain a read on you because you defend yourself so much even now when you are under no lynch pressure that it completely overshadows your reads. I have to struggle to recall your reads when more than half your posts are like this. I am just trying to get people to clear up their reads on me while this game is in a lull, not defending myself. And while I could try getting Koshi to do something, I don't think that'll get me very far. I feel like game is on pause because thread sentiment is so against iGrok that he's almost certainly going to die today unless he comes at us with a townie post. Which I doubt. Trying to push someone else won't do a lot because that person knows they're unlikely to die today. You could do what you are dreading and actually read VE, or at the very least read the posts I've made about VE because solving the game is more useful than sitting on your hands. I don't understand why you think you need to get Koshi to do more in order to get a better read on him when he's played like this for five IRL days and there is no sign of him stopping any time soon
Fiiiine, I'll go review those arguments you two had after dinner. It'll give me some idea of what to look for.
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On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum..
Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention".
While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol.
iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads.
How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension.
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On May 25 2019 04:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.
Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it I mean it's not inconsistent with what he's said in the thread but it is opportunistic to throw in the "I haven't paid much attention to him d2".
I agree it's not inconsistent. But given that nobody's going to lynch you, it's logical to assume he will vote for his next scum-read...who is the counterwagon to himself.
Pretty sure he did a similar thing Day 1 where he scum-read you but had me as Lynch #2 and his vote/ unvote thing put me in the lead.
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On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic.
I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either.
Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle.
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On May 25 2019 04:24 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Ok, lets pretend I'm a complete dunce. Some of you seem to think that anyways so whatever. Help me out here: TL MAFIA LESSON 101: What is something helpful that someone has posted this game? Literally any example please.
Literally any one of WBG's articulate and detailed posts that cite examples/ evidence and clearly explain his thought process.
I know I've not interacted much with WBG's posts but I do appreciate the thought that goes into them.
And his point about the VE/ Koshi/ rayn bloc being content to not have influence over the lynch is a good one IMO.
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On May 25 2019 04:25 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:22 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 04:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 25 2019 04:05 Calix wrote:On May 25 2019 02:51 iGrok wrote:
The rest:
BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.. Translation: I have no other scum reads aside from Artanis, the guy who is the scum-driven counter-wagon. I will be voting for Artanis at EOD but I'll pretend this isn't what I'm planning to do by saying "I haven't paid much attention". While we're on the topic of 'scum driven wagons', Koshi is only now willing to put aside his scum read of me if it means he can vote off Artanis instead. It's so obvious that's what these two scummers are leading up to, lol. iGrok's reappearance has to be the most disappointing letdown in mafia history. He doesn't even try looking into Artanis or talk about other players or anything. Seriously, almost all his recent posts do nothing to help town. Page 6 of his filter is appallingly scant of discussion about other players despite having a bunch of null and 'uncertain' reads. How the fuck VE and Jock looked at iGrok's posts and conclude Artanis is more mafia is beyond my comprehension. Give me one read artanis has made based on solid townie logic. I have no idea what you definition of 'solid townie logic' is. All I can say is that, when I filter-dived him yesterday, his progressions make sense and I could see a townie perspective/ internal logic behind his posts. His D2/ WBG posts aren't great but they don't sufficiently prove he's mafia either. Meanwhile iGrok has not posted ANYTHING helpful to town this entire cycle. Every even remotely committed read I've seen in his filter is based on very suspect logic. iGrok is also looking scummy. I believe this. What I can't believe is how to everyone here its so fucking obvious that they are right and the other side is wrong. That's stupid. They actually have fairly similar filters in many ways...
That's because we're egotists who love yelling at each other 
But for real, I don't think this thread is indicative of iGrok/ Artanis both being mafia. Don't take this as 100% truth but two divisive wagons forming near EOD is usually not indicative of two mafia trains. So it's better to assume at least one is town as opposed to being thoughtless about who dies.
Hell, both could be town. But I personally don't think iGrok is town.
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On May 25 2019 04:30 Koshi wrote:
I claim veteran
Maybe a dumb move. But w.e.
I dont believe there is a jailer as well.
I feel like I have to do it because there are townies too tunneled. Maybe of I am confirmed town they snap out of it.
Okay this actually changes a lot.
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On May 25 2019 04:39 Jockmcplop wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Once people start claiming roles I get really confused really fast.
I would appreciate it so much if someone could - out of the kindness of your obviously oversized hearts - explain shit to me like a 2 year old - in spoilers if you want to avoid disrupting the thread vibe, or I might disappear...
I don't know what you want explaining. Koshi is claiming he is Veteran. That's a role that doesn't die the first time they're shot. Veteran is a town-only Protective role. So Koshi's not mafia unless there is another Protective role claim [either a Veteran counter-claim or a Jailer].
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On May 25 2019 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
Is bugs mad mafia or something? I think he kinda revealed himself a bit. Koshi's role claim is really like self authenticating eventually and it clears up at least part of his narrative if true so he should be a bit happier?
Yeah, Koshi's claim makes sense with his attitude towards me on D1 (?) when he said he was looking forward to seeing me try to lynch him and the like. Sure, I'm surprised mafia shot Koshi N1 but it's way more self-resolving than rayn's claim.
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On May 25 2019 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2019 04:56 Koshi wrote:
We have to lynch inactives that refuse to show face. More TMI Knows by now the jailer is not in the thread Man this is so predictable LOL
Don't see how he could know that if he was mafia. Jailer could just not be counter-claiming right now.
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On May 25 2019 05:09 Koshi wrote:
I want to vote Artanis or Calix.
Calix made a post "this changes everything" and she didnt update her reads at all. What?
It means I'm probably wrong on one of my town reads. But I have no idea where I've gone wrong.
I'm also not feeling motivated to post given that you are currently trying to lynch a very obvious town. And if that doesn't happen, you will probably use your Veteran cred to mislynch me. It's just crazy to me.
Don't really get why iGrok is being defended so hard or why HF has suddenly switched off him. But whatever.
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Artanis: Came into game thread, looked into players, posed questions to scum-reads, gets to the point and actually plays the game despite being short of time instead of whining.
iGrok: Talked about how he played, had loads of null reads he did not look into, only has two scum-reads where one of them is his counter-wagon, many posts where he shitposts or does nothing despite complaining about spam, etc.
Town: OMG this game is so hard. How can we POSSIBLY choose between these two?
If you want evidence that this 'choice' literally could not be easier, just look at Page 6 of iGrok's filter. That has pretty much every D2 post he's made so far.
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