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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 21 2019 23:46 GMT
#2001
LOL I’M SO EXCITED

It’s actually happening

Ok I’m gonna get on a train and go to a meeting, be back around 1 hour before deadline
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 21 2019 23:49 GMT
#2002
feeling pretty good about this tbh.

let's see when ill be up and functioning.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 23:52 GMT
#2003
Could have worse people to discuss things with near the deadline, I guess
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
May 21 2019 23:55 GMT
#2004
Day One Vote Count

RuXxar (4): Wherebugsgo, BloodyC0bbler , Disformation, Wherebugsgo, VisceraEyes, Disformation, Calix
Calix (2): RuXxar, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes , Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, iGrok
BloodyC0bbler(1): Artanis[Xp], Disformation
iGrok (1): VisceraEyes , Holyflare, Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Calix
Raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare, Wherebugsgo, Jockmcplop, Calix, Calix, Jockmcplop
Holyflare (1): Conversion , ruxxar
Koshi(1): Conversion
Artanis[Xp](1): BloodyC0bbler

VisceraEyes (0):BloodyC0bbler
Jockmcplop (0): Raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Holyflare
Disformation (0): Conversion, Wherebugsgo
Wherebugsgo (0): Artanis[Xp] , VisceraEyes , Koshi
conversion(0): Jockmcplop, Calix

Not voting (1): iGrok


RuXxar is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, May 22 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
May 22 2019 00:03 GMT
#2005
cba to put up any resistance tbh.
im happy with my day 1 performance.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 00:30 GMT
#2006
On May 22 2019 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
cba to put up any resistance tbh.
im happy with my day 1 performance.

Well that’s just... ugh.
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 22 2019 00:36 GMT
#2007
On May 22 2019 09:30 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
cba to put up any resistance tbh.
im happy with my day 1 performance.

Well that’s just... ugh.


Underwhelming? Yes.

Find anything else, iGrok? Since thread is dead, I imagine you're kinda caught up at this point.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 00:50 GMT
#2008
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.

Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 00:54 GMT
#2009
But like, ruxxar is still my #4 so its fine
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 22 2019 00:56 GMT
#2010
On May 22 2019 09:50 iGrok wrote:
Still not sure between you and HF, but one of you is scum. Alternatively, HF made a +2 level play and you both are, but that’s... unlikely. Josh I, Convo, disinformation, and rayn are pretty green. I think disinfo is just going with ruxxar to get something done, and the other three votes on him are mixed signals at best. And while I did initially have ruxxar as red, he did make a good post that put him back to null for me. So I’m ok with ruxxar but I’d still rather have a better target if I can.

Outside of you and HF, Artanis is my next lowest read right now, but I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Anyone who thinks it could though, speak up and let’s talk about it


What good post did he make and why didn't you mention this earlier?

Also I just want to make it clear that I basically saved your arse for another day by voting for ruxxar. I could've easily just told everyone to fuck off and stay on you. And I don't know whether that was the smartest thing I've ever done.

So if you could just do things like telling us your Artanis read without prodding, that would be WONDERFUL. Because I'm the only other person in the thread right now.
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 22 2019 01:03 GMT
#2011
okay I'm back with 2 hours left until deadline

promised:
rereading of disfo and koshi, which I'll do now

koshi telling me iGrok is town and not to lynch him

not sure if I got anything else, looks like ruxxar is flavor lynch right now. I haven't progressed ruxxar as much since my evaluation of him since Bugs told me to do so. so I was going to do that, but looks like he just gave up?

anything else people want me to do? otherwise I'm going to do this as speedily as possible
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 22 2019 01:03 GMT
#2012
well, we're probably not even lynching disfo or Koshi, so should I even bother revisiting?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 01:05 GMT
#2013
##Vote HolyFlare

Give me a sec to write why I think him over rux
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 01:06 GMT
#2014
Dont both reading koshi, its mostly spam and says "HF and Calix are scum, grok is bad town" or something like that
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 22 2019 01:12 GMT
#2015
does ruxxar even make sense with my disfo-koshi scum reads earlier.. that's the trouble I'm having right now
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 01:16 GMT
#2016
So I color-code my notes but I'm not going to do all the extra formatting for TL colors, and had something marked in red that in hindsight should not have been on ruxxar. just went back through his filter, and here's my key notes. Note that I don't always write down the post #, not all posts are by that person, etc

ruX
quick summary post
#811 feels weird
-ruxx & disfo? can't be... maybe buddying by rux??
would vote for convo
#862 actually takes effort, anti BC slightly
#977
-rayn = town
-hf = mafia, manipulating - also concurs with my point that HF was looking for wagons
#1096 - HF calls rux scum in response
##1102
-Ruxx: hf is acting scummy Hf: youre right, but your scummy for calling me scum.
#1347 rux makes good points that are town-indicative

So before I went back through rux's filter just now, I only had 3 points on rux. The summary post, the #1096 (which is HF attacking rux), and #1347. But when I went back through the filter, I realized I'd missed a couple things. Like #862, I had that in my internal notes pile but never moved it to external once I looked back at it. I think that was a good post. #977, if you think HF is scum, feels pretty green. HF responds in the #1096 that I'd had before, but #1102 is exactly how I'd feel as well.

So when I look back, I realize that my dislike of ruxxar mostly comes from A) me not reading closely enough and/or skipping some of his posts and B) the strongest argument against ruxxar comes from someone that I am now pretty sure is mafia.

I also don't think that Calix and Ruxx are both mafia because... obviously. no need to bus here. And ruxx and HF aren't the same alignment, and calix and HF aren't the same alignment.

So if at least one of calix and ruxx are town, that means that HF has to be scum.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 01:21 GMT
#2017
Seriously, I think the logic there is pretty straightforward, but to reiterate:

Calix and Ruxx are not both mafia, because mafia would not bus a teammate when the votes are close like this.

Ruxx and HF aren't both mafia because Ruxxar called HF on some shit that most other people didn't, it was a weird attack when HF was not seeing any real pressure.

Calix and HF aren't both mafia because HF looked like he was trying to set up a wagon on Calix earlier.

so what this means is:

If you think that any one of HF, Calix, or Ruxx are mafia, it has to be HF

MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 22 2019 01:23 GMT
#2018
just ctrl + f'd Koshi's filter-- if ruxxar flips mafia there's 0% chance he is. dude is sticking his NECK out for ruxxar for absolutely no reason.


disfo I think the flip matters less... I'll revisit harder next day though, no time to tunnel now

going into ruxxar:

I really hate his overall play of just randomly swinging in and out, but can someone explain why these two posts are bad?
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from.

From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment?


Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight.

In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could.

Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up.
Disinformation? same basic thing.

So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me.

Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up.

So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.





Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.

- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.

- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.

##Vote calix

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On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation.

I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis.

Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues.
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On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again

rayn voted:
D1 - mafia

bugs voted:
D1 - town
D2 - town
D3 - town
D4 - town

i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real.


gonna vote for mafia again.
##vote Calix


When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first.

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did.

As I am just finishing the catch up so far.

Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die.

Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now.

Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront

On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.

HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.

I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.

Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.

(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)

##vote raynpelikoneet


this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.


On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.

It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.

I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)

Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.

Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.

Tldr:

Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.

##vote holyflare


is it because it feels like it's mafia flailing last minute?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 01:24 GMT
#2019
I dont think those posts are bad. I actually think they're null to good.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
May 22 2019 01:25 GMT
#2020
ugh forgot all of EU is probably asleep.. thanks for being here.

just read your post iGrok let me read through HF and Calix now.
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