EPTI don't think they're mafia because they made arguments with that logic. I think that's part of how they'd see the game regardless of alignment. I think they're mafia for other reasons.
This really isn't hard to understand, rayn.
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I don't think they're mafia because they made arguments with that logic. I think that's part of how they'd see the game regardless of alignment. I think they're mafia for other reasons. This really isn't hard to understand, rayn. | ||
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On May 23 2019 21:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Honestly? All your interactions with me I extremely dislike. Which makes me lean scum. However, I still prefer my artanis read so my vote stays there. and before you go "but why does it make me seem scum" If you are town, you would have at least attempted to think why I would be playing the way I do. hell me quoting your post is a direct link to that A) Different people have different ways of viewing and playing the game. Much like how everyone has a different view of the world around them. There's no One True Way of playing as town or mafia because everyone has different ideas of what is townie and scummy. If everyone did agree on these things then the game would be super boring. Me explaining 100% a town read isnt something I am going to do all the time. Especially when I am worrying about a scum read. B) You're currently IN the mafia game. For all you know, the people telling you this stuff could be wording things in a way to make you agree with them for whatever reason. You can't necessarily take us at our word, lol. You clearly haven't been paying attention to things I have said or have been ignoring it hense my other comments. IE why would I think explaining things to you would reach you in any way when you clearly haven't been agreeing or taking me at my word previously? Again. Would you prefer me calling you dense or scum? Because Im starting to lean scum Finally! You settle on an actual read of me! Much preferable to the waffle you had when we first started this little chat. Why would I make assumptions about how you play when you could just tell me if I'm scum-reading you for NAI reasons? I even asked about your playstyle and how you came to the conclusions you had [that's literally why we started arguing in the first place], you avoided these questions to call me dense and then you turn around and say I'm not trying to figure out how you play????? What a load of bullshit. For the record, I don't care if you call me 'dense' because you are probably mafia doing the tactic of 'making personal attacks to avoid legitimate points/ questions'. | ||
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I'm going to work soon but will be around for a bit longer. | ||
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Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation? | ||
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On May 23 2019 22:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa whoa whoa, when was I part of a situation? We were bickering a bunch earlier. Also I don't think he's talked a lot about you so his take would be A. | ||
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On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote: I'm inclined to back off my tunnel on disformation.. I think I'm reading him wrong (I believe multiple people told me I was wrong on his meta read, so there's that). I do like some of his later posts, he has picked up a bit. still a little bit wary, but I don't think my scumdar is particularly strong (I think I have like a 2/15 or some smaller percentages of actually reading scum as scum, so yeah..) Koshi, idk. He seems to be pushing his agenda and list pretty hard, and I would think mafia!Koshi would just recede into the background again, but he's beem spammy as hell and shouting for his list lynch. out of these two. I think I would do best to leave these two alone, and actually start focusing on playing the same game as at least a bigger subset of people in this game, as I've been playing solo pretty much and that went nowhere. On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today. Ah yeah, you initially thought Koshi was mafia who just had to be more active to cause chaos, right? So I take it you now think he's less suspicious because he's continuing to do that even when he doesn't have to? That's how I am reading your post but do correct me if I am wrong. Looking forward to seeing what you make of those guys then. I do think it is a good idea to be more flexible with reads and open to things. From my POV, a lot of townies are getting frustrated because they're not really engaging with others, are stuck in their own worldviews, and then wonder why nobody really wants to listen to them. I'm guilty of this myself this game, anyway  Anyway off for real now, lol. | ||
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And this is despite working a ridiculous number of hours. But apparently I am "lurking" and "making AFK excuses" because I am "demotivated mafia". Fuck off. Be thankful I even have this many posts. | ||
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IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team. Meanwhile VE actually made some smart comments. I don't mean these comments are super-townie in isolation or whatever. But they showed he was applying CRITICAL THINKING to the game. That's the feel I had when reading anyway. So those two can swap places in my reads. For people who can't remember what that means, VE is now hovering in the null section and rayn is mafia. I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder. | ||
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This BC is bland and boring for the most part. Actually makes me think I could be wrong on that read. | ||
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My problems with him would be this: 1. I'm not sure why he thought this was BC's mafia meta [from my POV I wouldn't have come to the same conclusion based on that one weird BC post. But I have said this already]. 2. His WBG post was bad and didn't sufficiently show mafia motivation nor did it consider WBG's D2 posts very well. 3. His reasoning for scum-reading VE and myself after EOD1 seems superficial to me. Ties in with #2 because he's clearly struggling to find scum-reads. [can't relate to this, lol] Anyway Artanis COULD be mafia. But none of these points are quality IMO. iGrok has a way higher chance of hitting red. We should kill him instead. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise. I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia. In addition to what i have said about calix is this: I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol... I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town. I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing. Even if I make a case on you, people will say 'oh but his PC claim' or 'but his meta' and you will not die. I do not waste precious time on making a case on someone nobody wants dead. Especially when I could lynch my other scum-read instead. Anyway. I'm not sure how likely it is that iGrok and Artanis are both scum. If they were working together, I think they'd be trying to lynch me instead of...whatever the fuck it is they're doing. Artanis seemed pretty happy to have no scum-reads for ages until he sheeped HF's big post on iGrok [which was the vote that put iGrok in the lead btw]. Meanwhile iGrok seems like he wants HF gone. [I say that but his response to HF did not read like he thought HF was mafia at all] Anyway I don't have much else to add. A lot of the recent pages could be cut out and it would not have changed my reads at all. I still think iGrok is WAY scummier than Artanis. The most feasible town motive people [I think BC?] came up with was that he makes notes and puts in effort but a lot of people have been doing that so I don't think that's really AI. I'm not sure on the third mafia. Probably in Artanis/ Koshi/ BC. Artanis is mafia if he doesn't step it up but I have enough doubt about him to not want him dead. Koshi is self-explanatory with his filter. BC's main selling point for him being town is the meta thing. I personally think he looks mafia but I could be misreading him because of our different playstyles so am willing to give him a chance. | ||
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Ya got me, I shot the PC claim who is doing jack shit  Rayn 2 gud 4 me. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: we'll see about that after game. at least i didn't participate that bad lynch on D1. Ooh, you're so townie for berating people for a D1 ML :o Which makes no sense because you supposedly think I'm mafia yet you word that post like MLing ruxxar was a mistake on my part. Almost like you know I'm town! lmaoooo | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: good chat. ends here. You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:23 Jockmcplop wrote: Sorry for repeating your points hf but I think that last bit is new. I don't think that last point is what makes iGrok mafia. Disformation and myself had doubts on ruxxar for a similar reason IIRC. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: well not really reading comprehension, sarcasm That's your defense? There is no way that 'at least I didn't take part in this ML' looks like sarcasm, lol. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote: Its not just that he townread him for acting confused in a confusing game, its that he went from a scumread, while saying just 13 minutes earlier that he liked bugs' case on ruxxar, to townread for something that might put doubts in your mind as to whether he's scum but doesn't seem like that huge a deal to go from scum to townie in a post or two. Its not as damning as the timing though. hf is right about the voting thing. That doesn't look good at all. Ruxxar doesn't even mention this once in his response either. His response to hf this morning was pretty bad in every way as well tbh. There was a bit of 'LOOK AT ME AND THE EFFORT I PUT IN YOU GUYS LIKE THAT RIGHT??' in there, he picked on little things from the case instead of looking at the big points like the voting. Ah okay, I get what you're saying now. I agree that his response to HF is scummy and doesn't jive with the read he claims to have on HF. | ||
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On May 24 2019 21:52 Koshi wrote: Artanis and Calix are full mafia and we lynch obv town iGrok. Ah well. Weren't you the guy who forgot you had iGrok in your 'list' at one point? lol How is he 'obvtown' now? I'm not accepting answers that don't relate to what iGrok himself has said. | ||
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