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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 10:51 GMT
#201
On May 01 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
I think jock is mafia and bc is more mafia for defending(?? ? But also accusing???) him. Not much else to add really. Didn't even realise the game had even started.

No comment.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 10:53 GMT
#202
Grack rayn and hf are the pinnacle of uselessness.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 10:54 GMT
#203
On May 01 2019 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
I think jock is mafia and bc is more mafia for defending(?? ? But also accusing???) him. Not much else to add really. Didn't even realise the game had even started.


You can disregard this because I've reread it and it didn't go down like this. BC still gave jock a bit of an out which I don't like but he's pretty much said stuff I was thinking about Jock's posting.

Minus points for grack not pointing this out.

Maybe not
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 10:57 GMT
#204
When wdbg and mz post I have to use my brain. I dont know if this means anything
I had a good night of sleep.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 01 2019 10:58 GMT
#205
On May 01 2019 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liiiike if FF were the other wagon and not MZ that would just be super.


I'm with you here, FF is setting off alarm bells for me

what are your thoughts on no-lynch this cycle? I've actually always been of the opinion that a no-lynch on day 1 is actually really good for town because it reduces the variability, especially in low post count games like this one.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 11:01 GMT
#206
On May 01 2019 19:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liiiike if FF were the other wagon and not MZ that would just be super.


I'm with you here, FF is setting off alarm bells for me

what are your thoughts on no-lynch this cycle? I've actually always been of the opinion that a no-lynch on day 1 is actually really good for town because it reduces the variability, especially in low post count games like this one.

No lynching is horrible. People need to get out of tunnel. Info is good. Only good if you dont lose lynch later.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 11:02 GMT
#207
I lynch
Grack
Pandain
Jock
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 11:04 GMT
#208
After reading filters I agree with myself
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 11:04 GMT
#209
Fefe Rels also fine.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 01 2019 11:05 GMT
#210
From active posters I would vote rayn. But it is better to keep him alive.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 01 2019 11:17 GMT
#211
Well Koshi is town.

Idk what to think about jock honestly. I read him like grack did earlier but i dislike his re-entry a lot. Thankfully you can murder him without me. Bugs still scum.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 01 2019 11:19 GMT
#212
I also think its possible koshi is right about pandain. I dont believe pandain forgot the game is going on after actually being an active poster early on. Idk why hed lie like that but to me ot sounds like 100% lie.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 01 2019 11:20 GMT
#213
Grack is defs not mafia though.
table for two on a tv tray
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 01 2019 11:23 GMT
#214
On May 01 2019 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 19:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Liiiike if FF were the other wagon and not MZ that would just be super.


I'm with you here, FF is setting off alarm bells for me

what are your thoughts on no-lynch this cycle? I've actually always been of the opinion that a no-lynch on day 1 is actually really good for town because it reduces the variability, especially in low post count games like this one.

No lynching is horrible. People need to get out of tunnel. Info is good. Only good if you dont lose lynch later.


info is great, but IMO mislynching day 1 is not worth whatever minimal info you get if the game only has a few pages of posts/low participation. You still get info on the NK, for instance.

It's worth thinking about from a balance perspective for this game as well. Usually 13p games are 10 townies and 3 mafia, and that already tends to be a bit town-favoured here. This is a 14 player game so the only options are 11/3 or 10/4; the balance will be swingy either way (I think 10/4 might work somewhat better with more town blues but who knows what the hosts decided)

If it's 11/3, mislynching is probably okay because town has lots of room for mistakes and the no lynch could be done on a different day, but I think it's still better to do it early. Worst case (noting starts of phases)

N1: 10/3
D2: 9/3
N2: 8/3
D3: 7/3
N3: 6/3
D4: 5/3 MYLO
N4: 4/3 -> lose

No-lynching at any point gives you an extra cycle.

If it's 10/4, worst case looks like this:

N1: 9/4
D2: 8/4
N2: 7/4
D3: 6/4 MYLO
N4: 5/4 -> lose

Again, no-lynching at any point gives us an extra cycle.

If there's a vig in the setup and they miss, we lose a half-cycle, so MYLO becomes LYLO and no-lynch has no benefit (I think, unless my pea brain did something wrong)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 01 2019 11:25 GMT
#215
On May 01 2019 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Koshi is town.

Idk what to think about jock honestly. I read him like grack did earlier but i dislike his re-entry a lot. Thankfully you can murder him without me. Bugs still scum.


for how much our opinions align it's remarkable you think I am scum
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 01 2019 11:29 GMT
#216
On May 01 2019 20:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2019 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Koshi is town.

Idk what to think about jock honestly. I read him like grack did earlier but i dislike his re-entry a lot. Thankfully you can murder him without me. Bugs still scum.


for how much our opinions align it's remarkable you think I am scum

I dont really even think you have any opinions since you write a lot of words but dont really have any hard opinions.
table for two on a tv tray
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 01 2019 11:33 GMT
#217
I don't really have any mafia reads, but I think VE is town from his carefree and open posting, and Koshi for same reason. I think that's a pretty good start for day 1.

I'm going to vote Rels because he's done absolutely nothing, and he did the same exact thing last time when I was mafia with him.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 01 2019 11:33 GMT
#218
@Wherebugsgo what were you trying to get from asking Jock about incognoto's guide? You were very insistant on it and it seemed like the most useless questions I've ever seen in my life.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 01 2019 11:51 GMT
#219
By the way I lost my wallet last night so that's why I forgot about the game. Thank God nothing too valuable was in it.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 01 2019 11:52 GMT
#220
On May 01 2019 20:33 Pandain wrote:
@Wherebugsgo what were you trying to get from asking Jock about incognoto's guide? You were very insistant on it and it seemed like the most useless questions I've ever seen in my life.


I wanted two things; one was to see whether Jock's tone and response style would be natural and the other would be whether he would actually tell me something believable. Given that Jock is very new I would expect some synthesis of Incognito's guide because he would have been bound to have read it recently. If he's town and someone in the game is asking him, I'd expect him to take the time to understand why (and reread if necessary) especially when I was indicating to him that if he didn't shape up he'd likely die. His response that followed afterward indicated that he probably lied, because even if you skim that guide literally the #1 takeaway for townies is to establish innocence. This is also why I phrased the question the way I did. Emphasis mine:

On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote:
...
II. Town
  • Defining Mafia Characteristics
  • Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence
  • Reading the Thread
  • Posting
  • Voting
  • Blue Roles/Roleclaims
  • Bad Townie or Mafia?


...
Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence

So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia.
As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence.
...


by itself I don't think the lie is super alignment-indicative, but the fact that Jock actually answered that question about the guide but chose not to provide reads, in response to the same post where I specifically asked for them, is. He continued to attempt to stall for time afterward and has since disappeared.

There was also no point for town Jock to ignore posts and ask HF if HF thought he's out of character compared to when he was mafia (what kind of question is that? it accomplishes nothing and doesn't even make sense, HF's post was clearly about Jock being out of character when compared to being town) and saying this:


Or I was taking the piss because the first page or so is always boring....

Reads incoming I've got some time now


rather than just coming out with them.
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