Hell you have been around all day and have barely weighed in on anything yet have parked your vote on HF. Why do you want Palmar offed? What was it about his play that made you believe he is scum given that you haven't said why you believe it.
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Hell you have been around all day and have barely weighed in on anything yet have parked your vote on HF. Why do you want Palmar offed? What was it about his play that made you believe he is scum given that you haven't said why you believe it. | ||
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On March 05 2019 08:58 Ace wrote: @BC: where did I say I want Palmar killed??? @trfel: I think you should seriously claim if lynch noise bout to drop. Your vote. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:36 Ace wrote: I didn't "want to lynch Sentinel". I was looking at YOU wanting to lynch Sentinel. Just because you talked all 1/3rd of the day about lynching Palmar doesn't means your reasons were actually legit. You don't even feel sorry for doing it. @damdred: He ran his platform on lynching Sentinel. He did not have popular support for lynching Palmar. Either way I'm not going to harsh on this with either of you anymore. I made a mistake voting for HF because I didn't think he'd lynch the guy. TBH Ace he claimed like 16ish hours ago or some shit according to his filter that he was going to lynch Palmar. | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:45 Holyflare wrote: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=126#2508 Feel free to comment at any time guys. Given that 2 of your scum reads just flipped town (one of which i thought was town) and that I have different views of one of the players on that list as well I think you should go back and reanalyze people and possibly adjust your opinions. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 05 2019 10:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [QUOTE]On March 05 2019 10:45 Holyflare wrote: [url=https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=126#2508]https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=126#2508[/url] Feel free to comment at any time guys.[/QUOTE] Given that 2 of your scum reads just flipped town (one of which i thought was town) and that I have different views of one of the players on that list as well I think you should go back and reanalyze people and possibly adjust your opinions.[/QUOTE] I clearly updated my trfel read though. I meant the guys actually alive still. I don't think I'll ever agree with your iamp read that's based on him doing nothing when he's actually done stuff. More so than a lot of people in this thread.[/QUOTE And what you see as done stuff I see as being an "active" mafia who hasn't really done much of substance. Again im not here to argue that clearly people will always disagree with eachother on some things. Also Welcome to the thread Marv (when you see this) nice to see you again. | ||
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On March 05 2019 11:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know why you're so fucking obsessed with lynching Tina but yes I do think she's scum. We're not lynching her tomorrow though Gwttibg on computer Everyone is always gone by the time I get here ugh Who do you want to lynch instead of her if you think shes scum? | ||
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Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post. Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad. Holyflare + Show Spoiler + Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make. The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote: I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is. Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie. Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this. On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote: Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok. On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote: HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME? On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote: Magic LightningStrike, magic This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment. Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him. On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote: Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7? Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill. On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline. 11) sicklucker 14) Damdred 16) Jockmcplop 18) Vivax 19) [UoN]Sentinel 20) Grackaroni 21) rsoultin 23) Pandain 24) darthfoley 25) Conversion 29) Meapak_Ziphh 31) BloodyC0bbler 33) Alakaslam 35) Rels Town Koshi iamperfection Town-ish tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok) Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town. Null Onegu (legit has done 0 things) Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null) WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing. Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that) Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least) Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....) ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread. Scum-ish Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches) Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish) Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again) raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment. Scum Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.) Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?") Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching. This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750 Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct. Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point. Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced. After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.) LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.) Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads. Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy. Rsoultin + Show Spoiler + She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise. 1) She makes posts like this On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this: You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from. And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical. On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote: What are your reads that don't matter BC? This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad. Now the next things for me are this. Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote: I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum. Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door. -cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target? So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM. Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck. To go along with what I just said That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it.. Clearly a scum IMO. Tumblewood + Show Spoiler + This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened. Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red. | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:49 rsoultin wrote: Oh, you're referring to the confirmed town thing? lol >< yeah that's obviously a joke (even though I missed it at the time cause I didn't read hf's pre-game posts) Yeah then I don't see anything compelling other than maybe I should reread TW which I was gonna do anyway -shoos- See, you see it as a joke. I see it otherwise. Besides, it wasnt a pre game post the game had started. If the game is started all posts are relevant. | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:51 Holyflare wrote: This is quite possibly the worst narrative post I've ever read lol. You were less likely to get lynched before even posting this :D Narrative? Its literally shit you've said and done. Don't like it? Should have played better then scum. | ||
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On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote: The people voting me are on the biggest cop out lynch of 2019. I bet they're the same people that whined that BH didn't get shot too. What benefit does my flip bring other than drawing you closer to end game? BH at least gives you the information about wagons. I'm also pumping out content comparatively to BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. You may not agree with what I'm writing but that's your choice. You can look at MZ's spreadsheet to see how stupid lynching palmar would have been if I was mafia. I'm not stupid as mafia, I demand thread consensus and people town reading me because it's the path of least resistance. I will look into you Holyflare voters and if I see that you complained that BH isn't dead I will know your motivation about lynching me is completely feigned. WIFOM | ||
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On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote: Well that was terrible. @Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette. There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow. Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar. side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop. Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote: This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. .... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously? | ||
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TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote: Because of what he was lying about. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense. I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN. If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense. | ||
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On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote: Wait do you think we should lynch all liars? From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that. That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it. I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that. Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked. Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move? | ||
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On March 06 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote: What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so. Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it. I will readily admit that I may have missed said post in your filter, but I literally never saw you say any of what you just said til now. | ||
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