On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Why is rels town?
Out of all the players he choose me to get the qt. If he was scum he should of went for someone who seriously thinks is a traitor or a town leader. I trusting my early read on rels as well which I did he have him town day 1. As scum he also loves to buddy up with town leaders and he not really doing that given that he gave me the qt.
On March 12 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LS said the following in an interview earlier today:
On March 12 2019 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
The bolded is likely true.
We here at the Dead Zone Show would like to reach out to LightningStrike and Oatsmaster for comment. Could you please expand on this point for our fine citizens listening at home?
We believe the question of whether scum knew about Sentinel's treacherous qualities is relevant to the case of the mysterious drifter known as Onegu.
After the Sentinel lynch Onegu was quick to come in and passionately throw around the idea that scum had no idea who Sentinel was. We don't know how they could be so sure of that fact. Wouldn't only scum know for certain?
As scum that could be a misdirection play to keep town from focusing more on the other D3 wagons.
We eagerly await your response.
Mainly because of mechanical play: If scum didn't know who the traitor was they wouldn't of shot Ace 99% of the time. Ace was lynchable which makes him a bad kill and especially because of his flip we were given what was the wagons for Day 3 outside of Chez. Side note: Rels in the qt did say that both MZ and Chez are almost certainty are scum but Chez did his tell for me unless he decides to break it in this game.
The argument being made seems to be that Ace was a prime lynch target for today if he had lived, and by killing Ace scum gave town more information about the wagon to work with. So, is the idea here that scum want to manipulate how we look at the D3 wagons? We're not exactly following, but we believe in your conviction to the answer!
In any case, if we can say with high confidence that scum knew Sentinel was mafia, would you agree that that makes Onegu's behaviour at the end of day more suspicious if he were scum? Onegu was essentially saying not to read anyone town or look into the wagons too closely since if scum didn't know the traitor they thought they were getting a town lynch. However, if we now have evidence that scum likely knew that Sentinel was a traitor, then Onegu's play looks a lot more like it's dissuading us from looking at the wagons so that we don't notice things like if scum were trying to push people off of Sentinel.
On March 12 2019 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
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Dear Dead Zone Show:
I have found it strange that my inability to read anyone has caused me to go slowly from universal townreadedness (how would I say that? Oh from being generally regarded as townie) to a stronger and more universal scum read from my fellows. My alignment didn’t change; So I have to ask, is not the General methodology this town is using, somewhat of a failure? Can we agree on that? What then, is a reliable metric to use to find criminals, without as much risk of the costly error of assigning a sentence to the innocent?
Also, how can one who has found that spending the time to pick up a $100.00 bill would cost him more than he would make keeping it, prove innocence quickly and concisely?
I posit this is impossible, and ask that people read my filter. Is it so bad?
What is your take? Are the eyes of Svengali upon my filter?
I posit I lack the skill.
But
May this town Mowglify. Despite how our bagheeras are all deeply entranced (shot) mayhap we can push kaa
But I digress
Your host agrees that it has been hard to keep green friends for long in this violent period of upheaval. We all have some people that we can trust, or that our gut tells us are allies, but we can only rely on that so far.
At a certain point we have to delve in to the darker parts of our society, to expose the rank belly of corruption that underlies our fair town. It is important to differentiate between those who have dark intentions behind their words and violence in their hearts than those poor souls who are genuinely confused and lost amidst the turmoil.
We ourselves at the Dead Zone Show look for those who veil their intentions behind layers of misdirection, and who change conviction at the first sign of resistance or opportunity. These people often change their masks, but if you keep a close eye out you can sometimes glimpse the monster that lays beneath.
We must admit we have not paid the closest attention to your own writings, which is interesting as they prove quite long at 18 pages. Overall, you have not stuck out to us so far this game as a problem. Perhaps at a later time we'll do a more in-depth read, but for now consider yourself solidly null. Does this free you from the bonds of green and red that held you? Let our read fill you with determination to follow your own heart and root out scum wherever they live. We're looking forward to it.
We thank you for yet another productive episode of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your writings and mail and we'll be sure to devote time to them live on air during the next show.
Welcome to a special afternoon report brought to you by the Dead Zone Show! We've got your host Mr. Wiggles on the line, live from his day job. He'll be trying to check in occasionally until the lynch, but will be posting from phone
TS has looked like scum to your host for a while now. We want to flip them today, and do not want to risk accidentally killing our Beloved Brown Brother by swapping off. If it looks like the TS lynch isn't happening, we'll do what we have to, but the wagon seems solid for now.
We mentioned Onegu and DF being decent lynches earlier. Feel bad that Onegu's in the hospital though
For those opposed to the TS lynch, can someone give an argument other than feeling vaguely towny? Your host doesn't see it, and is excited for that sick Day 1 read to finally be vindicated.
TS' return reads poorly to us at the show because of how they latched on so hard to the FF/Chez claim stuff.
First point is that Chez' claim was trolly as heck, and read fake to us at least. At least some townies may have fell into that hole, so maybe we can cut a little slack here, but!
Second point is that the discussion is super easy for scum to get into. You don't need to analyze behavior or motivations, just focus on some crunchy role mechanics stuff. From that point of view, it looks like fake scum hunting, akin to someone trying to look town by doing setup speculation or something.
So, we get a bunch of one liner reads, with the only real effort devoted to something that barely contributes to town but attempts to look helpful.
On March 14 2019 07:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your host likely has not enough time to properly evaluate an MZ lynch before the deadline. We've been reading him soft town so far.
Is there actually a case written somewhere? Thought I saw one, but went back a few pages and only saw the intention to lynch without the reasoning attached
On March 14 2019 07:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: TS' return reads poorly to us at the show because of how they latched on so hard to the FF/Chez claim stuff.
First point is that Chez' claim was trolly as heck, and read fake to us at least. At least some townies may have fell into that hole, so maybe we can cut a little slack here, but!
Second point is that the discussion is super easy for scum to get into. You don't need to analyze behavior or motivations, just focus on some crunchy role mechanics stuff. From that point of view, it looks like fake scum hunting, akin to someone trying to look town by doing setup speculation or something.
So, we get a bunch of one liner reads, with the only real effort devoted to something that barely contributes to town but attempts to look helpful.
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On March 14 2019 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: I took some time off I think it was TvT for Tubesock vs Chez which makes me sad. It kinda shitty but we have to deal with it.
What's making you change your mind on TS? I don't like how TS rolled over at the end, and unlike some others, I don't believe it's necessarily a town tell. For me that's not alignment-indicative, so I think the previous case still stands.
Concerned parent Grackaroni calls in with the following:
On March 14 2019 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Hello Mr. Wiggles.
Long time listener, first time caller.
My issue with your program is that it focuses heavily on night actions and tube socks, which makes for somewhat dull listening in my evening hours. Frequently questions are explored in great detail that are of little value. I fear that your sock fetish frequently distracts from more engaging topics.
Could you give me some of your thoughts on the following players:
Oatsmaster Rels Jockmcplop Mocsta
Firstly, let us assure you that the Dead Zone Show is one of the most wholesome radio programs available to the citizens of Liquidia, and we try to stay focused on the hot issues of the day affecting our society. We do our best to deliver quality entertainment, so if we are failing in this regard, we apologise.
Now, as for your question, we have the following opinions after filter-diving (or at least skimming) the above:
Mocsta:
Overall reads as town to me, based on behavioural reasons. Lots of Mocsta's reads have been pretty out there or novel. There's also been lots of progression in the reads that doesn't look like scum. Mocsta will go out and accuse someone, throw some crap around, and then end up changing the read organically as the thread moves forward or more information is revealed. I don't see scum putting themselves out there that much or making themselves stick out like that. I don't like the recent preoccupation with 3P/SK and kill analysis, but that's more because I think it's a waste of effort than scum-motivated.
Jockmcplop:
Null to scum lean. We liked his play in the early stages of the game, but to us lately it's been becoming more scummy. The last while has seemed really tentative and timid compared to the earlier play that was a bit fearless. The posts from the last day have read more like they're probing to get a sense of town sentiment before committing to a read. This seems like scum that's getting nervous and doesn't know how to play or blend coming in to the mid game where there's less room to hide. I'll temper the read based on the fact that this is allegedly Jock's first game, so maybe the nerves are for a different reason, but it's coming off more as scum than inexperience now.
Rels:
Rels is a weird one because of the mason stuff. Rsoultin was masoned and outed Rels for thinking they're scum, and then LS was masoned and seems to have a town read on Rels (I think?). There's some weirdness going on here, where the Rels/Rsoultin stuff doesn't seem to match up with the apparent effort that's going on now with LS (based on stuff LS is saying in thread). This gives me some strange vibes.
Looking through the filter, it's not great. Lots of soft posting without many hard stances, besides pushing Ace and then Chez in the last couple cycles. Besides that, there's a lack content, even with lots of posts. There's maybe some stuff going on in the QT now with LS, but I don't like that reads are coming out through LS about stuff like Onegu, MZ, and TS and not from Rels himself via his posting in the thread. He doesn't seem to be publicly pushing the same stuff that he's feeding to LS.
Decent chance to flip scum.
Oatsmaster:
Null to scum read, similar strength to Jock. Looking through the filter was pretty hard. There's lots of random commentary and questions that don't seem to accomplish much or go anywhere. Lots of their scum reads come on hard seem to drop pretty soon thereafter. Reads a lot like Oats is throwing crap at the wall and looking for what might stick. Maybe that's a good way to look for reactions pretty early in the game, but coming in to this stage, it doesn't really add too much. I'm not familiar with meta any more, so maybe this is Oats' normal play?
Overall, I'd contrast Oats' play to Mocsta's where the latter's shows a more clear progression in the reads compared to Oats, even if they similarly try to push their own reads regardless of town sentiment. Mocsta's reads a lot more like town trying to scumhunt compared to Oats.
On March 14 2019 11:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LightningStrike calls in:
On March 14 2019 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: I took some time off I think it was TvT for Tubesock vs Chez which makes me sad. It kinda shitty but we have to deal with it.
What's making you change your mind on TS? I don't like how TS rolled over at the end, and unlike some others, I don't believe it's necessarily a town tell. For me that's not alignment-indicative, so I think the previous case still stands.
Because if he was scum then why would town just move all over the place they did EoD?
We're not sure this explanation makes sense. Town shouldn't know whether he's scum or not for sure, so them moving around at the end of day shouldn't matter too much based on TS' alignment? This town has gotten cold feet on plenty of votes, we can look back at the D1 conversion vote, for example, and Vivax acted similarly then as well.
Some people didn't seem convinced by the arguments against TS and tunnelled in on Chez or looked for alternate lynches. This led to lots of churn near the end of the day. We think at least some of this was scum trying to get people off TS or Onegu. Maybe it wasn't reflected in the votes, but some of the counter wagons proposed should be looked at.
Your hosts here at the Dead Zone Show would like to make their reads more clear. Most of this should have reasoning in our filter, besides a couple town reads we haven't mentioned and the null/uncertains. This is where people currently stand from strongest to weakest read in each category on the LiquidiaHotSingles list:
Town:
Mr. Wiggles (I know my role!) Pandain (HF shot + Sent push + posting) Acrofales (Had this read for a while, posting) LightningStrike (#1 Dead Zone Show fan) Grackaroni (Posting) Vivax (Posting) Mocsta Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam (To make slam feel happy and included )
Null or not paid a ton of attention to:
Fecalfeast (Claim is not confirmed, but not worth looking at as a lynch yet) sicklucker ExO_
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