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On March 07 2019 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 03:06 Rels wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 Holyflare wrote:At least we gather some vote d1 vote swap information. The conversion slot, the one that saved BH for no discernible reason (as well as Vivax I guess) was town. If Vivax is town, he's in a great spot to know that there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town. On March 06 2019 09:10 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: BH He's auto voted BH though so he's probably not that smart. This seems stupid to me. BH knows he's gonna be lynched when he begins shitting the thread with all the "policy me!" posts. Mafia had time to discuss and prepare for it. Some probably voted him, some probably didn't, whatever, I don't think any kind of vote analysis will be very strong after the moment BH starts martyring. Now after that, scum are always pretty unlikely do switch at deadline. That attracts attention, and scum does not like attention. Now it depdends on the player ofc, but most won't switch at deadline, even to save a partner. Add to that that BH is not even a strong player worth saving, and knows he's gonna get lynched sooner or later. So in my mind, this part is stupid: "there was no mafia last minute shenanigan to save BH and thus BH is likely town". I think I've actually only been mislynched once or twice in my career on TL Mafia. I may not be a particularly accurate catcher of scum, but historically I would put up a hell of a fight as town if people tried to lynch me.
So how does that square with asking for a policy lynch?
Big Acro case, time to read
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On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range.
My ass you did
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On March 07 2019 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range. My ass you did Well obviously not completely but i told you numerous times on how go engage the thread and shit. Ofc everyone is capable of writing posts within guidelines.
You were definitely an impromptu mentor that game and I fell apart at least twice. Pretty sure that was the game I managed to gaslight people into thinking yamato was scum despite playing textbook town though
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On March 07 2019 11:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 11:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please. Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now. Do you think one is more likely to flip scum?
I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum.
I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting).
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
##Vote: Holyflare
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On March 07 2019 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:20 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 11:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please. Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now. Do you think one is more likely to flip scum? I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum. I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting). I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF. ##Vote: Holyflare What acro post are you talking about?
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503
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On March 07 2019 11:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:20 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 11:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please. Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now. Do you think one is more likely to flip scum? I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum. I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting). I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF. ##Vote: Holyflare What acro post are you talking about? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503 That is a terrible post and none of it makes hf mafia. He would have been lying aboit host actions which os something hf never does in million years. Also why are you voting for him if yoi think he os ONLY mafia IF bh is? Thats not how it works dude..
Again, with exhibit A in particular I don't see why HF wouldn't switch his vote onto BH if there was a strong chance BH wouldn't've been lynched due to personal business or otherwise and then claim he would've if he could've
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For your second point rayn I'm convinced both are scum, but based on that assumption I'd rather get rid of HF
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On March 07 2019 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 11:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 07 2019 11:20 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2019 11:12 Mocsta wrote:On March 07 2019 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, Ace is really scummy and I would Lynch him after hf and bh die. So I was like he’s too scummy to be scum but then I was like he’s really scummy though and then I was like if I remove his name would I lynch and then I was like yeah so yeah he mafia Hi oats, one more thing please. Do you think HF and BH are both scum? I can see a world where you want one of HF/BH over Ace. but I dont understand why both. Why not? Bh was useless, lamp was like let’s go and everyone followed then bh marytred but in the end, holyflare didn’t mayor kill BH so why can’t they both be mafia? if you could mayor lynch one of HF/BH right now. Do you think one is more likely to flip scum? I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum. I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting). I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF. ##Vote: Holyflare What acro post are you talking about? https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=226#4503 That is a terrible post and none of it makes hf mafia. He would have been lying aboit host actions which os something hf never does in million years. Also why are you voting for him if yoi think he os ONLY mafia IF bh is? Thats not how it works dude.. Again, with exhibit A in particular I don't see why HF wouldn't switch his vote onto BH if there was a strong chance BH wouldn't've been lynched due to personal business or otherwise and then claim he would've if he could've I dont understand
The things I got from that were the following claims, all from BH:
1. If he knew BH was not getting lynched he would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in
2. He got a message saying Palmar was going to be lynched
3. He wanted to lynch Palmar anyway and was too tired to care
The issue between all three of these statements being true is at any time a quick look at the voting thread would be enough to see who's getting lynched.
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Actually I didn't realize the last Trfel votes were so close to deadline hang on
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On March 07 2019 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:Yeah its kind of confusing. As far as I can tell this is what Vivax/Acro were saying: The reason there was a blank spot after the lean was that Sentinel was still deciding how he wanted to read Oats after already writing all of his points that should have been what prompted him to make the read. Later in the thread Sentinel gives contradictory reads on Oats from the same information: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean. Then you come out with: On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why? Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
Are you just summarizing or making the argument again?
If it's the second one, let me rephrase that a little more clearly. What I did for most of those reads, including Oats and for example Trfel was I gave my thoughts on all the things I could find on them and then added them up to give my conclusion at that time. With Oats if I had to pick green or red I would have picked red but in reality it was such a close read to null that I didn't even bother grouping it with my scumreads. On a scale of -10 (scum) to 10 (town) it would've been maybe a -0.5.
With that in mind I didn't see a lot of evidence going forward to push that number down enough where I can say he's scum for sure. I usually hold off on saying scum in these cases. Especially since it turned out one of my biggest scum reads at the end of D1 flipped blue.
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Ok reread with the timing of the votes in mind and actually I take back my opinions on the Acro post, it def seems like reaching. Guess I'm going with my other one
##Vote: Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 12:48 Rels wrote:
oh yeah I understand what you mean, even better! He read TT posts, thinks he's town, then uses them later to explain his scumread
skimmed is probably a better word
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On March 07 2019 12:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Grackaroni wrote:On March 07 2019 12:46 Rels wrote:On March 07 2019 12:40 Grackaroni wrote:On March 07 2019 12:17 Rels wrote:So: On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty. Read here: On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo
@rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case? His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.) + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:7) TictockI'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers Here are some of his noteworthy takes Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote:Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. On March 02 2019 10:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF? Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall. I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote:
LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within. Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk. Dam Trfel... + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 10:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
For real though trfl why do you say 7? Honestly, just guessing. Seems like the right number, that or six, I'd rather overestimate than underestimate. As to why, I figured it would be eye-catching  You said(typed) it with such confidence though, I Believed... + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 10:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote:
LS is town, that is all.
You got that from him saying that he's always town? I know because I'm masons with ls. Ok... Damdred Probs town. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 10:31 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. Holyflare, Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery! Best, ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vDCUUiL.png?2) Chezinu Isunizehc Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez? + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote:Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons  Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet. What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not. Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town. His justification is Show nested quote +LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts. So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around. Show nested quote +HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now:
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HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town. Leaning red man did TT really post nothing between these 2 posts ??? this is looking mych better Everything that Sentinel later quotes for TT being scum occur before Sentinel town reads him. The one thing I'll say is that he takes a hard stance towards LS in his big post and maybe that causes him to re-evaluate, but I'm still pretty suspicious of his town read in the first place then if he dislikes those posts so much. Okay that is quite damning. Sentinel explain?
It was a one off post before I read my PM after mostly skimming the thread. Taking a look into TT when I was compiling my reads made me change my mind. Grack is definitely reading too much into that first post where I call TT town
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On March 07 2019 13:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
EBWOP: I put thoughts on Ace before he returned to the thread. Obviously now I'm going to have to reevaluate him. then you didn't? Like, ever
Someday. Probably Friday when I stop getting barraged by homework and exams. I still have to do a proper Acro read as well.
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Alright boys my hell week is over and I'm back
That's a shitload of lynches and I'm honestly surprised Damdred is town. Also surprised Blazinghand is town. Maybe I should just pick scum and then treat those people as confirmed town.
I promised you all Ace and Acro reads so I'll start working on those as well.
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Wake up Rels it's time for the Ace DD
On March 05 2019 08:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else. Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you. So no I am not down for lynching him -_- If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison. We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing. So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game. How about instead we look into this pool. Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content Iamperfection I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it. On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question. i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow. i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum. This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
Knowing now BC was scum, it's important to point out Ace was the second one to have a problem with this post, after iamperfection. But iamp was mad about BC's reads on him and Onegu. Ace's main point is that BC is scum.
His initial attack on Holyflare seems honest enough on the surface. He attacks him after the D1 lynch, then comes back two days later with more reasons
The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on  Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
including this extrapolation. If it's town Ace it's pretty insightful because I learned something new. It could be scum Ace in which case he's got the benefit of hindsight (and knowing exactly whether or not a vig shot those players). The other thing I notice here is that if I were vig and I didn't know BH was town, I'd probably shoot BH at this point in time (as in, N1). It's a compelling case Ace makes but I'm not sure if it would've been enough to make me shoot Holyflare Night 1.
On March 07 2019 14:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote:On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him. A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories: 1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do 2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town I just caught this, and I feel like this is a needle in townish direction, especially since I read it after the post I made quoting this from HF. Could be scum BH but way more probable a Townie makes this most post. Fuck, I feel like most of my posts are anti-HF and I'm tunneling too hard and looking for confirmation bias :/*sees HF reply to this post* So much WIFOM spam, Town hero fallacy, and guilt tripping. Nah fuck that. Keep the lynch train going. Just too many things that push HF into obvious scum.
I had the opposite take on that BH post.
Suppose for a minute Ace is scum. I don't think the bolded is enough of an out in case he gets Holyflare lynched and has to justify his actions somehow. At this point I'm certain they're not scum together, but just off of the Ace-HF dynamic alone there doesn't seem to be anything that would disqualify scum Ace coming into the thread to tunnel town HF. It's entirely dependent either on how you view Holyflare (him scum -> Ace town) or potentially by taking into account Ace's other posts.
Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Legit LOL. I know for a fact BC nearly slammed his skull into the computer. Even if he's scum writing this he's like WTF?
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On March 09 2019 00:57 Ace wrote:
There are follow ups to that plan. I've explained it - the Mayor vote was just a way for me to tie any of the candidates to a strong stance and on whom to lynch. Whatever action they took or wouldn't take after making that stance clear determined my approach to them.
Once I found HFs reasons for killing Palmar ridiculous he was Scum for me. Day 2, even when forgetting all of Day 1 also read Scum for me. Middle of Day 2, let's say 8 hours or so before EoD HFs wagon is getting derailed. It's not even just the moronic votes for BH either. You have people making cases as reasons to vote for anyone but HF lol. While it seems easy to say Blazinghand was more probable to flip Town than Scum, I can somewhat see people thinking he's a good lynch if they are to totally lost on to what's going on. However, some of that lynch BH stuff came from people active in the thread. Which shows that they are reading the thread but not for comprehension . And you don't need to check the voting times to see it either. But killing HF is step 1.
I'm actually curious about this as someone who was totally lost during those few days. And the quoted post actually acknowledges it but I don't think it's possible to get an answer that isn't clouded by hindsight. Why exactly was BH more probable to flip town?
On March 09 2019 04:45 Ace wrote:
Well I can't do what I want correctly and may not be around before EoN so I'll try and get everything out now 😋.
First just some general thoughts. If we do not see a Scum death tonight and the 3KP holds up, we are starting Day 3 with at most 26 alive. Looking at it that way my previous post about KP is easily incorrect 😁. They really do probably need that much KP or 3rd party to wittle down 19/20 remaining people (doubt there are more than 6 scum in this game). That's in addition to town KP.
Anyone who is saying they think Holyflare is scum but won't lynch him because it's going to be too difficult and should be saved for LYLO is pretty much not worth keeping around. Cops and vigis should get their utmost attention. For whatever reasons that Holyflare will be alive Day 3, this support block needs to be eradicated. At this point I literally do not care that HF can possibly flip Town - he is detrimental to our win condition. Of course I find him funny so I would like to keep him around but I also want to win.
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Additionally for cops, it's about to be Day 3 which means if you live you got off 2 investigations. If no Scum are dead going into the Day I think you should consider revealing results. Especially true if you've found scum. If you can clear Town that's also just as good. Some ppl would say hold your investigation unless your check is being lynched and you can't save them through discussion. There's also the belief of waiting till near deadline or late into the next night to reveal stuff. Whatever path you want to take do not let a known innocent die, a known scum escape the noose, or die without revealing your stuff. We've already lost 6 people as of this post and based on the discussion going on I'd only trust maybe 3 people to figure shit out.
Now as for what I'm going to do. Check it out:
Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock, ExO_, Tumblewood
I've already said 2 of these people are scum. This is the BH wagon. Now we obviously know some townies are lazy or were duped into thinking this was even a good idea. I doubt anyone seriously reading this game would think BH was ever a real suspect. Myself and others echoed this during Day 2. On Day 1 I prodded BH to stay in the game not only because I have good memories of him in past games and iirc modding, but I know scum would just pile on the easy mislynch and misguided townies would follow.
I would expect BC to pick up on this because he's a very good player and of course he did. Doesn't mean he isn't scum but someone caring about the nature of the lynch is probably Town. Of course I've currently got a Town read on Vivax too. Fuck me if either of them are Scum 🤦🏼♂️.
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Oh shit I was rambling whoops. Back to that BH wagon. I'd cross reference it for the HF vote wagon but I think that should be the last thing to do. Instead I'm going to check the timing of their vote, look at where they showed reasoning for the vote in the thread and see what was going on in the thread at the time. For example that one scummer that showed up, said he read 2 of BHs posts, would be gone, and just voted and really did lay low. Some will say that's just bad Town play but I dont think all but the worst players couldn't be bothered to read more than two posts from someone they suspect.
So that's the way I'm going to go about this. Deadline is in about 4 hours so hopefully I'll be free to get this done. If there is anything you can take from this post if you can't read: vote Ace for Mayor 😎
It's a good case. I can imagine a scum Ace making the case but I don't see any prevailing evidence over town Ace making it. But really the thing that pushes Ace into a green lean for me is that first post where he called out BC.
So to answer your question Rels, I don't see anything wrong with Ace, or any reason I would intentionally avoid him.
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On March 09 2019 11:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +Day One Final Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar EoD1 votes with conrfirmed flips and claims so ya BC wasted his vote on a throwaway on iamp and town was scattered all over the place on the two lynch wagons Day 1. Ace,Pandain,MZ, Chezinu, and Onegu wasted their votes Day 1. might have a scum within those throw away votes since town was so scattered it's a safe play to do that.
Both wagons were town. I don't think just from the votes you can make any inference about where the scum are.
Scum know who HF is. If he's one of them it doesn't really matter who the mayor is between him and Palmar to scum because a townie gets lynched either way. If he's town it doesn't matter either but scum would have to take him at his word that he wants to lynch Palmar. Even if he did follow through on the BH lynch that's also a townie.
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