Newbie Student Mafia XXIX

On September 08 2018 03:23 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how anyone could think that kaley is anything but a smurf.

On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote:
People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.

On September 08 2018 21:07 Koshi wrote:
hahahaha only 10 hours left. Goddamn.
Can we agree on making this day 96 hours or something? Like...

TL mafia is not great anymore.


Like D1 96 hours. Rest same.

On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.

On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:
Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.

Plus, we're getting posts like this:


Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more.

On September 12 2018 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think prpkhz is mafia, he said something that sounded really townie

On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:

I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early.

On September 12 2018 07:19 Sergiovan wrote:
Rels: your thoughts on my Vivax case.

Who is scummier to you Vivax or Damdred?

On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:
Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.

Plus, we're getting posts like this:


Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more.

However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you.

On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:

I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early. It's why my strategy with him was to basically tell the thread "look at him later, but he might be suspicious."

Looking back at it, posts 246 and 252 were pretty clear requests for our blessing on how he was using his vigi hit.

I think there's a chance the mafia could have caught on.

On September 11 2018 23:47 Qatol wrote:

Make a good case for it and I'll probably back you. That last post doesn't sit so well with me. I'll look and see if I see anything redeeming in his filter.

On September 12 2018 04:09 Sergiovan wrote:
In post #89 Vivax explains a town read on Kaley that comes mostly “from the gut” while also trying to give real reasoning for it I.e. that Kaley is attacking Rayn.

But in post #119 Vivax says that he isn’t sure if Kaley is genuinely pushing Rayn and that he hasn’t read her full post.

Therefore the alignment read that Vivax had on Kaley didn’t come from an actual read but was instead manufactured by Vivax

On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:

I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.

On September 08 2018 15:42 Qatol wrote:
I agree that Koshi isn't really contributing very seriously and he should be looked at as a more serious lynch candidate in the near future. His posts generally are not helping the town, with the possible exception of his halfhearted stabs at me, which at least potentially foster discussion. However, I don't agree with calling him scummy for not posting his town reads, at least if those townies are not under threat of lynch and he himself is not about to die.

On September 10 2018 23:31 Qatol wrote:
1. They might have figured out that Koshi was blue. He kinda gave it away with this post:

Specifically, he was unnaturally nervous about being lynched day 1. This screams blue.

On September 08 2018 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Qatol Qatol Qatol.

Potentially you are just a friendly guy. I don't trust friendly guys.

Friendly. Slimy. Friendly. Pocketing. Who knows who knows.

On September 12 2018 07:46 Sergiovan wrote:
Rels in #396 what do you mean by “he didn’t give it away since he wasn’t Blue?” Koshi was blue

On September 12 2018 07:47 Qatol wrote:
Who said anything about blue hunting? If you don't see blue out of the three posts I pointed out, you aren't reading closely enough. And if TL has changed so much that being nice is cause for mistrust, then that's just sad.

On September 12 2018 07:50 Qatol wrote:
Or because I was reading the thread? I still don't see how you don't see it. This isn't rocket science.

On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:

I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.

On September 12 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:
Is anyone else active right now? I'm still not comfortable lynching damdred. I still think this is basically a policy lynch and the math isn't in support of it.

On September 12 2018 08:00 Qatol wrote:

I didn't say that. Find the post and I'll explain my thought process.

On September 12 2018 00:24 Qatol wrote:

I was ~90% sure he was from post #76 (though not which role). He didn't seem the type to frequently get lynched day 1, which would be the only other reason I could see for him to get that nervous about getting lynched that early.

On September 12 2018 08:03 Qatol wrote:


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On September 12 2018 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i somehow thought this is an open setup. I havent read the op for a week except for now.

I am never lynching vivax now anyways, it is way more likely he was just roleblocked because he wasnt exactly under heavy fire when he claimed roleblocked.

On September 15 2018 06:58 prplhz wrote:
Who is scum and murderable?

On September 13 2018 08:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is absolutely terrible lmao

Also I have been roleblocked.

On September 15 2018 01:51 Qatol wrote:
Okay, I am back, and am incredibly disappointed with what I'm seeing (i.e., no real focus). Let me make this simple, because the town really only has 3 options:

1) Support Meapak's read of Rels
2) Convince Meapak and every other townie to vote for someone else
3) Vote for me

Considering the level of activity in the thread, #2 is extremely unlikely. Here's something else that should help on this point: I won't support a lynch of rayn. His actions on day 3 don't make sense for mafia. I'll explain more in a follow-up post in a moment.

As far as #3 goes, if you honestly believe the arguments being made, then, by all means vote me. But, I cannot emphasize this enough, read the arguments. Don't just focus on the fact that so-and-so "accused me." This is lazy, bad play. If, after reading everything, you still feel like I'm mafia (and then you probably need to reevaluate how you read people after the game), then, by all means. At least you approached things with the right mindset, even if you reached the wrong conclusion. Anything less is giving the game to the mafia.

Hopefully you will rule out #3 as an option as well. That means the town's only chance is a vote for Rels.

On September 13 2018 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:
@Qatol 3 confirmed towns have all called you mafia, hf and koshi are also good players worth listening to.

No one is listening or using logic so not much point posting. lets vote rels because some guy who wasn't here for 2 days posted a bunch of nonsense. Rels is basically an AFK tbh so its bad you want to risk the whole game on that.

I'm not going to convince you that you're mafia but until people want to engage their brain and play the game a little then we just lose.

On September 15 2018 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah and you can definitely be mafia with him so why would i fucking care?

On September 15 2018 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so yo uare inactive BECAUSE you are town?

On September 15 2018 07:12 Qatol wrote:

I wouldn't be if people would read or realize some of this stuff on their own. Instead, if you haven't noticed, even despite this post, we have a completely split up vote.

And why does it reek of scum? Please share. Is anything there wrong? Is anything there anti-town?

On September 15 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

that's not really how it works.

On September 15 2018 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you do what you can with the time you have, scum or town. you are claiming you would have -- as mafia -- come here and feed some "bullshit", but as town you didn't care enough to even share your opinion on those times?

On September 15 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is an example

On September 15 2018 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why did you say it never happened?

On September 15 2018 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think i make a case that does not fact check even if i am mafia?

On September 15 2018 07:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It puts too much pressure on him otherwise so its an unlikely fake claim.

On September 15 2018 07:47 Qatol wrote:

And there's the nail in the coffin. This is incredibly unlikely. And you just talked about how suspicious you were about RoL. Thanks for making me feel better about my vote.

On September 15 2018 07:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

because im pretty sure rayn is scum and if he's doing something I imagine it's not in towns interest. You are more process of elimination than me actually having a case on you tbh.

On September 15 2018 07:51 Qatol wrote:

Koshi said I'm too friendly and deconstructed one of my posts. That's it. At least get your story straight if you're going to make comments like this.

On September 15 2018 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You realize what it means, Kelsier voting off wagon?

On September 15 2018 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would a townie ever do that?