[M]Chill Hop Mafia

On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote:
Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion.

I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything.

On June 26 2018 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
im not against this either

On June 26 2018 11:50 Regfan wrote:
@Conversion - What's your reads/thoughts on Non-Holyflare players?


Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice.

-R

On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote:
Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste?

Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah.

On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:




This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here.

On June 26 2018 23:19 Calix wrote:


I didn't call her mafia for saying 'there is a real seer'. I was criticising the 'putting effort into a meme makes someone townie' implication ^^

On June 27 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Conversion seems to be super hedgy this game. Several instances of CC suspicion but he isn't doing much with it.

On June 27 2018 01:31 Vivax wrote:
Oh hedgy means something entirely different.

Let's use passive instead. With all the things he mentioned about cop I'd expect him to have a fleshed out scumread by now

On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T

On June 27 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you going to read something at some point Conversion?

On June 27 2018 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Very good then don't post pls and let us lynch mafia.

On June 27 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am pretty sure gameplaywise you are more of an ass than i am, so if i was you i would shut my mouth on this topic.

On June 27 2018 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree, you're trash.

On June 27 2018 02:18 Calix wrote:


I think you make a decent point with Reg. I was town-reading that slot because we had similar-ish reads at around the same time and they're producing a lot of content. But I can also see your argument where they don't say much that's scummy in isolation but you also can't say what they're trying to accomplish this game. It's not something I want to bet a D1 lynch on though.

I'm a bit skeptical about how I'm reading people because (now I've started to actually filter people and play the game) there's nothing that scummy about most of the active players and I kinda doubt that ALL the mafia are inactive.



Why?

On June 27 2018 02:48 Holyflare wrote:


This lynch me thing is actually serious?

On June 27 2018 02:49 Holyflare wrote:


Wait so the guy I wanted to lynch rubs you the wrong way too lol?? Why do you even scum read me?

On June 27 2018 05:15 Tictock wrote:


Don't take it as that, I'm just going gung-ho with my initial reads this game rather than being a tad passive in the early stages.

Always open to re-evaluation.

As such, while nothing has stood out to me as clearly Town!Calix I no longer think you are lock scum. Though it's just me being swayed by tone more than anything specific really.

I think I am going with the strategy of building a solid group of people I think are town and sorting out the Mafia from the remainder this phase.

Right now I think my town list is Rayn, Cake, Mocsta, and I'm probably going to add HF and Conversion but am less sure about them atm (though I'm pretty unlikely to want to lynch them today regardless).

On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:
Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there.

@Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy.

- R

On June 27 2018 21:30 Vivax wrote:


Rayn scumreads both of us btw.

Bolded things in your post look contradictory at 1st glance. after your town reads it looks like you forgot to add something to that combo.

On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote:
Conversion

I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.

Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.

#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.

I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.

I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.

His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.

I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.

I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.

I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.

I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.

-G

On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote:

If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks.

-G

On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote:

Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off.

-G

On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:


You cannot be serious.

Instead of trying to explain yourself to others so that they can understand where you're coming from, you deliberately leave things vague and up to interpretation.

Even though, from your POV, I'm either misreading you (as town) or I'm intentionally misrepresenting your posts (as mafia).

I don't see how a townie makes this post ever.

So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads.

I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please.

On June 27 2018 23:55 Tictock wrote:


IMO you should just ignore Conversion re: HF. It is some sort of gruge, or more like he is just unwilling to try and read HF so just always assumes he is mafia and thinks the best play is to kill him first.

And I'm not quoting it, but your next post about Rayn here reminded me of something in the Conv v Rayn shit fest that I want to check. Conversion is well know to rage when insulted (though he never has a problem throwing the insults himself), even to the extent that he got himself modkilled in his last game after blowing up about some bout of name calling or some such.

On June 28 2018 01:22 CopCake wrote:
Rip that horrible match for Mexico lmaooook jesuschrist

On June 27 2018 23:55 Tictock wrote:


IMO you should just ignore Conversion re: HF. It is some sort of gruge, or more like he is just unwilling to try and read HF so just always assumes he is mafia and thinks the best play is to kill him first.

And I'm not quoting it, but your next post about Rayn here reminded me of something in the Conv v Rayn shit fest that I want to check. Conversion is well know to rage when insulted (though he never has a problem throwing the insults himself), even to the extent that he got himself modkilled in his last game after blowing up about some bout of name calling or some such.

On June 28 2018 02:12 Calix wrote:


They used to do this back in ye olden days as well?

@Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read?

On June 28 2018 02:16 Regfan wrote:

I didn't call you toxic. Who are you even talking to? I'm voting Vivax, I've never tried to lynch you at any point in this game. And I didn't get mad at you, btw.

-G

On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote:

If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks.

-G

On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote:

Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off.

-G

On June 28 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:


I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way.

The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter.

He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips.

He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word.

Actually seems to be having fun in that game.

There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town.

I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds.

On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote:


You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago.

I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it.

So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything?

My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over.

On June 28 2018 06:15 Calix wrote:


Hey hey.

TT is like super town.

So instead of fighting with him, vote ShoCkeyy.

On June 28 2018 06:47 Calix wrote:
...

Did I enter a troll game without realising it?

Am I the only person who actually wants to lynch mafia?

Currently the vote count is atrocious, votes are really close, and nobody gives a flying fuck about consolidation. TT wants to vote rayn who isn't getting lynched. HF wants to vote BF because of some sports thing, and I swear to God if Conversion votes for HF, I'm dumping an entire landfill of Lego bricks over his fancy new house.

On June 28 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote:


And why am I mafia exactly?

On June 28 2018 07:53 Calix wrote:


So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself?

On June 28 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote:


And why does that make me mafia if I could quite easily lynch someone that's talking?

On June 28 2018 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
Lo and behold mafia conversion saves mafi bf.

On June 28 2018 08:16 Vivax wrote:
So now we've established that HF isn't psychic.

I'm pissed at both tt and conversion for rubbing it into my face like that how close I was to lynching shockey, but I will forgive you cause I am magnanimous. Can we kill him tomorrow thanks?

On June 28 2018 08:58 Calix wrote:


Conversion's EOD goes something like this:

- Notes TT isn't voting to save himself
- Wants to CFD onto HF
- Says TT isn't town here:

- Says HF is mafia for wanting to lynch into AFKs here:

- Says he'll listen to me (implying he'll finally switch to ShoCkeyy?)
- Then trashes the BF wagon as terrible

The main thing to note here is that he didn't change his vote to ShoCkeyy until 23:59 when he had been around in the thread for much longer (although the posts I refer to here were all made about 10 minutes before EOD).

Additionally I am not sure why he changed his vote when BF was getting votes by saying 'I'll listen to Calix' especially since I had been trying to convince Conversion well beforehand and I had even said I was going to vote for Boxerfred purely to save TT.

So an explanation of his thought process here would be helpful.

On June 28 2018 09:06 Tictock wrote:


Shame on Vivax and Conv for suggesting this.

Why bother to sign up to play at all then?

On June 28 2018 09:22 Tictock wrote:


I'm going to note that Conversion's swap only occurred when Boxer was already the lynch, and his swap made no difference.

Had he switched his vote off me sooner Shokey would have very likely been the lynch.

This suggests a high likelyhood of them being on a team imo.

Worth noting that this was Conversion's most relevant post regarding Shokey prior to this.



Which is kinda just a convoluted null read via meta... or a meta read with no conclusion which is kinda worse.

On June 28 2018 09:41 Tictock wrote:


So why did you move your vote at all, and not try harder to sway people to vote me.

Love how multiple people are acting like I'm to blame for BF getting lynched.

On June 28 2018 11:38 Regfan wrote:
As done as I am with this game and site, I actually find the idea of any of you talking about our alignment while we flake unbearable, so, here's a modkill:

Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
yeah
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=20#381
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
not sure how up to date you are
on the thread
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
i don't get how mafia can talk that way
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
but i've dumped a LOT of analysis lately
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
in that situation
ok
i'm at page 22 or so
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
ah, page 25 is
me walling
nonstop
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:02 PM
goodie
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:02 PM
really like that calix post
that you linked
also feel free to correct me if you disagree
but i kind of feel like this second half of d1
has felt even more dead than the first half
and i can easily see that being the case if it's cake/calix
walling each other and scum reading each other and they're t/t here
and scum just standing back
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:04 PM
i mean
i think tt is mafia
and pulled back on scumreading calix at at point where it looked like he was going to be lynched
so yes i think that's the world we're in
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:04 PM
i need to
talk with rayn in real time badly
if he's town here he's likely to decide the lynch
he's got koshi and cake as his 2nd & 3rd voters imo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:05 PM
yeah
we need to talk to mocsta too
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
hum
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
he's reading calix for a lot of stuff that doesn't mean anything
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
oh, yeah
i'm planning on
dropping a post on calix/cake as a duo-post
and then doing a separate post re; rayns & moscatos cases on calix
is next on my list
after that i've just got a rayn post/vivax post and to talk with you and i'm fully up to date
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:10 PM
ok
i'm not sure if i'm doing well enough to post anything
but i'll try
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:12 PM
np just try and catch up
and read my posts
i'm happy to be the one making the posts in the thread (i have the night free)
but want you to be up to date with where my heads at
so we can have a proper convo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:19 PM
i'm caught up
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:20 PM
agree HF is VERY town?
i went over calix, dude is obvtown imo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:21 PM
yes
how confident are you on calix?
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:22 PM
mocsta>hf=calix
huge gap, everyone else
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
so let's save him?
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
yeah, i'm going over cakes case on him atm
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
k
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
let me focus on that part?
and you focus on who we're actually lynching

-G

Mocsta, get out of here, you're too nice for this site. Calix, I really like you, you remind me of a good friend of mine from the site where I normally play, you should also never play here again. I really think you're dead wrong on TT. Never ever ever ever ever lynch like that again, please.

On June 28 2018 12:40 Tictock wrote:


So, you didn't understand why I would not switch back to Shokey, but thought both of us could be mafia. So you had to have concluded that we were mafia together and I was wanting to save my teammate then correct?

The boxer thing I was in total agreence about if you noticed.

---

Care to elaborate?

---

You somehow got reg and conversion totally confused, not sure how you made that mistake unless you only glanced at my post without reading it.

On June 28 2018 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
I just find it funny you all lynched bf :D

On June 29 2018 07:16 Mocsta wrote:
Lack of choice

my filter is very transparent about what I walked into... 20+pages and a shit-show.

I can't help it if people dont like how I reacted to that, but I doubt others could have done much better

On June 29 2018 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Conversion why do you say this? This sounds awfully like "let's pick one townie and one mafia and justify a townread on both of them because they can't be mafia together". Furthermore you follow this up with a list of three scummers whchi don't include Cake who was someone your early filter even remotely says is scummy. Was that just to get way from a "scumread" you had on Calix, because i can't really think another answer when i read pages 1-2 on your filter?

On June 29 2018 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes, i am implying there is a fair chance you only scumread Cake to justify not scumreading Calix anymore. I don't understand why don't include her into your list at that point you made the post #373.

On June 30 2018 07:36 Calix wrote:


Yes, seriously. He was one of the few people I actually LIKED playing with this game and I'm disappointed I can't play with him anymore. And that I have to deal with the rest of the thread.

I think that team makes a lot of sense and insulting me won't change my mind. If I'm so horribly wrong then why not try and correct me? You said I could just be 'misguided town' after all ^^

Rayn self-resolves, yes.

I never said anything about Slender being 'probably town'. I said Koshi was townie for agreeing with me at EOD because I'm vain.

You're implying I defended TT at EOD1 as if I would know he would mod-kill himself, lol.

I don't think CopCake is mafia. You mean Mocsta. Not that I'm 100% convinced there by any stretch. I just find his reads to be extremely malleable whenever someone comes up with something 'better' and he looks worse the more he does it.

On June 30 2018 23:23 Mocsta wrote:

At least 3 of the 4 voters i bekieve is town

I said my reasons. I cant help it yoy are so (personally) against it

On June 30 2018 23:28 Mocsta wrote:
actually.

The only benefit as sfum would be so he can shit on the boxerfred wagon.
This ONLY is possible if shockee is town

Ironically this is what convo has been doing though

On July 01 2018 00:11 Calix wrote:
Also I think Koshi is making waves.

He could have easily lynched me and taken path of least resistance or simply agree with my ShoCkeyy read but he attacks CopCake and Conversion instead.

Thoughts?

On July 01 2018 00:35 Calix wrote:


Because I am open to changing my mind if you do stuff.

You say you want to talk well let’s talk. I can’t do much right now but will try and hear you out. I am also home about 1 hour from EOD

On July 01 2018 06:52 CopCake wrote:


Oh please elaborate it because I am only using the one of the mods.

On July 01 2018 06:56 Holyflare wrote:


just read the post? it's really not long

On July 01 2018 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
conversion you slipping?

On July 01 2018 08:22 CopCake wrote:


But do you think I care if they win or not?

I want it over.

On July 01 2018 08:28 Calix wrote:


I'm proud of you, Conversion. For once, you acted more sanely than a quarter of the game! <3

On July 02 2018 07:58 Calix wrote:
Hey hey, I am the parity cop who checked Copcake/ Slenderman.

On June 29 2018 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, we need to talk today. And a lot. I wont have time tomorrow apart from reading and phoneposting occaionally (company's summer party). I am a medic. I am going to treat you as confirmed town since i am going to now die on N2 and you are going to die on N3 and if that doesn't happen then yeah, what do you know about D4. So yeah, now grow a brain and start doing it quick. This will simply give me the best chance in solving the game since the shit that went on N1 is fucking unreal and i am not going to listen to that crap another day.

Tictock is probably just town because of the level of commitment he has, albeit he is doing the exact same thing he did last game where he simply just bases his reads on things that are completely false. Like it is amusing how someone can read the game so badly at times (lol sorry, no offence). I probably made a mistake. I really really reall do not think Shockeyy is mafia, i didn't believe that D1 and especially his N1 looks VERY VERY townie, he utterly demolishes Calix' shit. Night kill is super fucking odd, probably makes Koshi town to be honest. Like Vivax was so very wrong. Myabe you did it, maybe not. Calix could, you're his "ally" i am not. I don't believe Cake ever shoots Vivax here and this is literally a gme where she looks more townie than she ever has.

Like i am very conflicted about the rest 2 right now, but calix is always mafia. Feel free to chime in. I am home at 2pm cet.
##vote Calix

On July 02 2018 21:07 Calix wrote:


Your “aggressive” persona isn’t going to convince me of your townieness so you can drop that whenever you want.

As for your question, because I have a difference check. Duh.

Last game I played there was also a parity cop with difference check and we lynched outside of that. I do not want this happening again.

On July 02 2018 21:19 Calix wrote:


Oh yeah how is that new job going for you anyway? Settled in yet?

On July 02 2018 22:28 CopCake wrote:


Welp, this is weird, Rayn hasnt cc Koshi

On July 03 2018 03:02 CopCake wrote:
@Rayn @Conversion

Probability of being reading w/w interaction?

On July 03 2018 04:43 Conversion wrote:
ok I have seen the light and rayn/Koshi is most likely not the wagon we hit.

so now if I blindly believe in the parity cop Calix even though I don't think town anyone actually makes those checks, I have to filter a player with 3 posts vs Copcake who's been active this entire game

fun

On July 03 2018 06:30 CopCake wrote:
wait wait wait

Rayn and conversion are agreeing in something

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On July 03 2018 06:38 CopCake wrote:
Why are you lynching Calix?

Why dont you buy her claim or play with the idea?

Is it self preservation?

If Calix is mafia, who is the rest of the scum team?

On July 04 2018 17:55 Calix wrote:
I think people should stop taking what people say in games to heart. Mafia’s an emotional game and people are prone to saying stupid things that they don’t ACTUALLY mean when frustrated, angry, etc. Granted I say this because I have a harder time refraining from BM comments when playing mafia but a bit of frustration in a game is to be expected IMO.

I don’t think that’s necessarily bad. Part of mafia’s job is to rile up town so their decision making skills are compromised.

Also most people seem perfectly fine and pleasant outside of the game. I actually spent a lot of time thinking Conversion was mafia because he was being such a dick so soon after we had cohosted together. And I thought that he was deliberately being inflammatory to push mafia agenda ^^

I would say that if someone repeatedly keeps insulting people, starts attacking their personal characteristics or if someone asks them to stop and they don’t then that’s when it becomes a problem.