EPTfirstly its renewed vigour!
and secondly, everyone can misconstrue. Its whether it is malicious in nature or not.
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firstly its renewed vigour! and secondly, everyone can misconstrue. Its whether it is malicious in nature or not. | ||
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On June 12 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote: I could, but I won't.Mocsta perhaps you can outline in which of my posts I show anger towards someone needlessly and don't use any facts to portray them as mafia in an accusatory way? Both the interpretation of anger and (ironically) facts are subjective. In my opinion this was exemplified in your filter. Now, whether you agree or not - I actually don't care and further to the point, don't acknowledge how this could even be relevant to ascertaining my alignment. P.S. This is a similar impasse to you claiming you were not agitated by not securing your primary lynch - Rayn. | ||
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scummy summary list on top of previous stuff + in what world is rayn + mocsta both mafia. | ||
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Slenderman the key difference I see between your position and HF is the read on Rayn. Now in HF world where Rayn is scum, I totally can perceive him going batty on people that voted the alternatve (town) option. In your world where Rayn is town and you know Palmar is town. Why are you concerned about those that voted Palmar? | ||
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On June 12 2018 08:52 Tubesock wrote: Or you are mafia attempting a two-for-one special.Voting Iamperfection. Cause I feel like this nightkill means something. Kill a townie, and then pledge vengeance in their honour! | ||
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Now everything else is dropped.. pfft. Why not kitaman? | ||
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On June 12 2018 09:04 Tubesock wrote: i'm trembling that you could vote me tubesock.I could vote you also. NK kinda implicates you as well since Superbia was suspicious but then kinda not. But he was pretty flaky on his read so he could probably be a threat to you as well. Why is iamperfection town to you? Because he is bored and not interested in the game? You don’t think a mafia wouldn’t say that to keep lurking? Kitaman is on the funny side of town, so as I said earlier I won’t vote him. Although if Kita does flip mafia then I’ll believe you’re Town so there’s that. The only thing the NK suggests is that mafia may have been concerned about N1 power roles - specifically medic dodge. Nothing is directly implicated as you infer. Who said iamp is town to me? I am commenting on your lack of consistency and after-the-event 'white knighting'. If you want my iamp read, given over 50% of the game is also crap posting or lurking, its firmly null. When are you planning to base your Kitaman read on content, as opposed to joviality? | ||
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On June 12 2018 09:45 Tubesock wrote: thats a fair position. Oh, I don’t think our definitions of white knighting match. Scumming me for trying a two for one, kinda means you town iamperfection... However, I meant it from the perspective I already view you scummier than iamp. Considering it seems only you and I are online: Would you like to continue the witty attempts, or meaningfully engage with me? | ||
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On one hand, it made me instantly think.. ohh, thats a good observation, interesting. On the other hand, I dont believe there are explicit references to this as frankly, I dont know if HF has a strong read beyond Rayn (and now, presumably Kita). The short story is, do you think this is something someone (i.e Kitaman) can genuinely misrepresent? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's SHENNANNY time people On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I voted perfect. On June 11 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote: no shenanigans, lynch rayn with all the people that people scum read On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is. On June 11 2018 07:59 fuba wrote: ##Vote: Palmar On June 11 2018 08:03 Calix wrote: Palmar reached 5 votes first and is the lynch. On June 11 2018 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn On June 11 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote: lynch grack for either being partners with rayn and wanting credit on his eventual flip or wanting to "appear" to want to vote rayn without actually lynching him On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote: At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn. What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy. On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon. On June 11 2018 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: Anticipating criticism? How do you know he wasn't going to flip mafia? For what it's worth a rayn + grack scum team doesn't make a ton of sense in my opinion based on the earlier plea from rayn. meh guess we'll see where the night shot goes and go from there. Well yes.. it does read overly dramatic and devoid of town motivation. The filter prior is nothing shining either. I will throw out there that fuba/Grack vote timestamps are the same. So Grack may have tried to hammer Rayn. I acknowledge Kitaman may have alluded to this when claiming rayn/grack doesnt make sense - however, I suspect that this was more tied to rayns multiple posts about Grack not being mafia. In summary, I am probably most curious to uncover why Grack felt the need to ditch his dead vote on iamp (and possibly hammer) if he didnt feel strongly about either lynch. Also, I dont know how I feel about a kita/grack team. Need to let this sink in more.. | ||
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On June 12 2018 14:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: i dunno if this is a hardclaim, but OPTION B on the OP states a medic is possible.There is no such thing as medic dodge in this game. Why aren't you dead Holyflare? Also explain me this: Yeah i did that. It doesn't make me mafia. You are very very likely lying here since we just came out of a game where i decided to not vote for a guy who also happened to be you who is was completely 100% certain is mafia over another dude who ia originally had no idea about but whose play i just hated. I find it simply unbelieveable you actually believe that. This is a blantant lie. I did not vote for Palmar based on 0 content, that's just simply untrue. I think HF point on grack is partially dismissed on the basis that grack may have tried to hammer you; though i don't know what this actually means in game context for alignment. | ||
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On June 12 2018 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: i genuinely dont follow this logic?Medic save doesn't do anything so medic is an useless role, why would you ever medic dodge? 1-shot doctor enables a one-time KP protect? Or you are arguing that game state is so murky that medic dodge is pointless? | ||
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On June 12 2018 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: dayam, next level thinking there.LYLO comes the same day regardless of if someone is saved or not so effectively a medic save does nothing. Without save 11-3 -> ML1 + NK= 9-3 -> ML2 + NK = 7-3 -> ML3 + NK= 5-3 -> ML4 + NK = 3-3 = LYLO With save 11-3 -> ML1 = 10-3 -> ML2 + NK = 8-3 -> ML3 + NK = 6-3 -> ML4 + NK = 4-3 = LYLO excellent point. | ||
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On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: is that purely by association with kita?yes | ||
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On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are writing very clear, but i am having trouble following the thought process.no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. I concluded before that grack may have tried to hammer you. Him and fuba had identical timestamps. so it was happenstance that palmar was lynched. HF either ignores this or was not aware of it in his beat-down of grack. But, i dont understand how that assists with gaining your trust? i can only muster 3 reasons for his odd EoD play. 1 = townie-ish. On the basis of being a stronger town lean, save palmar (via voting rayn) 2 = scummy-ish. Avoid a dead vote on someone with no substantiation. 3 = neutral. Genuinely wanted shennanies. I dont think the post-reaction supports #3 at all. | ||
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Rayn and Palmer were 4-4, with Rayn to be lynched due to receiving 4 first. Grackeroni doesn't take a stance on either mislynch, instead voting iamperfection. This is technically Grack first vote, as the self-vote was mod-imposed to indicate he had not voted yet. Kita IIRC is the one that highlights to Grack that he is leaving a hammer to someone else, of which then both Fuba/Grack attempt to hammer Rayn + Palmar, with fuba/palmar securing first. I think this is relevant because if your read on Grack is not influenced by Kita, then, your interpretation is jumbled (i.e. Grack did not "keep" his vote on you, it was never on you prior). Like you can equally read taht Grack wanted to park his vote nowhere (i.e. iamp), and only took a stance when pressured by Kita. Actually come to think of it, Grack comments he would rather lynch rayn, which is convenient as rayn was the vote leader. I get HF point now. Regardless of fuba/grack being the same timestamp, grack 90% sealed rayn fate when he voted iamp. kita/grack/?iamp? as a 3-way? | ||
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On June 12 2018 15:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF laser focus has been rayn + those opposed to rayn.note to self; after work go and see how holyflare treats his scumbuddies when he doesn't "have to" do anything regarding them. I noticed the only people holyflare never talks in any way about are kitaman and iamperfection, i find that weird especially towards iamperfection who is just a trashcan and that's not really his reputation as town. He has had limited to nil comments also relating to rels / slender / tubesockm and you can also throw in KSC. | ||
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On June 12 2018 16:20 Holyflare wrote: u farnyThe nk is super weird and it makes me think about Mocsta being mafia more and more. Not only does he talk about medic dodging but a Superbia kill effectively gives no information and was imo a waste of a nk since he'd done nothing. BTW, do you note the self-contradiction by stating superbia gives no information (optimal for mafia) and in parallel state it was a waste of nk (presumably because it wasnt you lol) i really dont recall you randomly throwing rocks to see what shatters... hmmmm.. should i be reading this last game of yours? | ||
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