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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 20:13 GMT
#1161
On June 01 2018 04:41 byj wrote:
##Vote: fuba

What somewhat bothers me is that, if fuba really was town, he didn't get lynched. In that case Mafia probably would've had an easy time to get me lynched considering many people seem to be suspicious of me. That would allow them to be 1 step from victory, and maybe help them with a later Koshi lynch. If both fuba and Koshi were town I see no reason for them to choose Koshi.

They could split their vote to 1:1 on both wagons if both are town though you never thought of that?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 31 2018 20:16 GMT
#1162
You know what, LS?

I'll meta you later at night. For now, there are some posts that makes me think you might be town despite those problems I pointed out. Maybe you truly believe that.

Our best bet today is darthfoley. I'll show why.
I'm adorable.
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
May 31 2018 20:16 GMT
#1163
On June 01 2018 04:45 GlowingBear wrote:
So your argument doesn't make fuba mafia.

Of course it "doesn't make" them Mafia, but it makes it more likely for me
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
May 31 2018 20:17 GMT
#1164
On June 01 2018 05:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 04:41 byj wrote:
##Vote: fuba

What somewhat bothers me is that, if fuba really was town, he didn't get lynched. In that case Mafia probably would've had an easy time to get me lynched considering many people seem to be suspicious of me. That would allow them to be 1 step from victory, and maybe help them with a later Koshi lynch. If both fuba and Koshi were town I see no reason for them to choose Koshi.

They could split their vote to 1:1 on both wagons if both are town though you never thought of that?

Why 1:1 if you can just 0:1 and get fuba through?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 20:19 GMT
#1165
On June 01 2018 03:53 fuba wrote:
My two scum are DF and HF, but mostly from a paranoia POV. I'm not entirely sure of it, and generally from my way of scumhunting it's harder to read high-content posters, but I feel like since the moment Jealous was pretty locked in as the lynch, HF's been playing the long game. If DF is scum, then HF was basically able to pull the trigger on one of his scumbuddies D1 without fear and make himself look better in the process (and also making the alternative lynch candidate look townier because they were the counterwagon). He railed against rayn, he railed against GB, he railed against Koshi - either all high content posters who will oppose him or people that had the potential to read him well. People who can oppose his outspoken personality late game. He hasn't gone after (from what I can remember) me, DF, or byj - not sure about LS or Rels - I think they're kinda in the middle. If scum HF is going to survive with a team of himself, Jealous, and DF, he needs to take out those that can oppose him end game and will pursue it to his lynch. He tried to get the doc to protect himself over you, scum tried to take you out last night instead of him. He's not really trying to get other people to post more than they are - he's settling on high content posters and, if he's town, just kind of assuming the low content posters are town for no reason.

DF is kinda there as an afterthought and somewhat because of what I said yesterday. His spot could be filled by someone else - dunno who though. And I'm kind of locked in the thought of HF choosing between which of his two scum mates to hammer D1.


If I am trying to eliminate people that are capable of talking against me in a game that I have not much time to play in then why do I try and lynch those people instead of just placating them and nking them instead? Why would I sit on an afk jealous and not kill Koshi? Doesn't really add up I'm afraid.

Honestly, I thought Koshi was playing like shit. He wasn't involved in the thread, he threw out random reads that did not align with what I was thinking at all and there was no back and forth with people. He didn't have the Koshi spark at all. Thus, I've been pretty much using this unflipped association to base my entire game off of and it's pretty much backfired. I thought GB's pushes most of the game had ended up nowhere, with him not pushing anything in any direction and then him just looking for outs so that he could afk and do nothing (such as "omg vote hf I'll do nothing more").

Obviously now with the nk things have changed quite a lot. I don't know if he was shot or not. I have no actual reason to believe he was shot at all and think it's quite likely mafia held their shot if they were going to shoot because they'd have to basically kill grack or myself if GB is mafia and that narrows it down later in the game.

I've just tried to apply logic to the day 1 vote count where we lynched mafia with 3 votes but apparently logic does not actually apply since mafia did not try and save their partner in any way, shape or form if GB is town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 20:21 GMT
#1166
So, yeah, I didn't really read into people like df (because he was voting with me on Koshi and was the mafia counter wagon of choice (at least in my eyes)) or ls/fuba because they didn't vote to save their partner when they could have quite easily done. So, you're right that I haven't really looked into these people and kind of dismissed them as town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 20:24 GMT
#1167
On a really surface level kind of bull shit way I think the way LS has been repeatedly defending me is kind of off. Sure, I voted for mafia but that hasn't really stopped a lot of you (rightly) pointing out that I've been underwhelming and ham fisting my way into votes.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 20:25 GMT
#1168
On June 01 2018 05:17 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 05:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 01 2018 04:41 byj wrote:
##Vote: fuba

What somewhat bothers me is that, if fuba really was town, he didn't get lynched. In that case Mafia probably would've had an easy time to get me lynched considering many people seem to be suspicious of me. That would allow them to be 1 step from victory, and maybe help them with a later Koshi lynch. If both fuba and Koshi were town I see no reason for them to choose Koshi.

They could split their vote to 1:1 on both wagons if both are town though you never thought of that?

Why 1:1 if you can just 0:1 and get fuba through?

how would 0:1 be a possibility if grack is confirmed town and GB was also voting HF EoD 2(thinking)
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 20:28 GMT
#1169
On June 01 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
On a really surface level kind of bull shit way I think the way LS has been repeatedly defending me is kind of off. Sure, I voted for mafia but that hasn't really stopped a lot of you (rightly) pointing out that I've been underwhelming and ham fisting my way into votes.

Because if you were mafia you did probably one of the biggest bloopers since disformation nuking himself in Host Revenge. I don't think you would do that as mafia at all because you are a smart person.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 20:29 GMT
#1170
Why are you martyring against nothing LS?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 20:35 GMT
#1171
On June 01 2018 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you martyring against nothing LS?

It was a reaction test did you not read the thread lmao.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 31 2018 20:35 GMT
#1172
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2018 05:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
raynpelikoneet [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare
byj [1]: Jealous
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj

Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels


Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.



Jealous is set to be lynched with only two votes.

On May 27 2018 03:29 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Grackaroni [3]: GlowingBear, Holyflare, darthfoley
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
byj [1]: Jealous
darthfoley [1]: Rels
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj
raynpelikoneet [0]: GlowingBear, Holyflare

Not Voting [2]: LightningStrike, fuba


Grackaroni is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


People pile on Grackaroni. A counter-wagon is formed. An inactive scum Jealous is safe for now.

On May 27 2018 07:00 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Jealous [3]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, GlowingBear
Koshi [3]: fuba, Holyflare, LightningStrike
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare, darthfoley
Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
byj [1]: Jealous
darthfoley [1]: Rels
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj
raynpelikoneet [0]: GlowingBear, Holyflare

Not Voting [0]:


Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


People change to Koshi, but my vote on Jealous sets him up for the lynch.


Meh, I started the analysis but it's taking too much effort, maybe I'll do it later. Besides, as I was analysing, I got really confused lol. I'll save this here anyway
I'm adorable.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 20:35 GMT
#1173
On June 01 2018 05:16 GlowingBear wrote:
You know what, LS?

I'll meta you later at night. For now, there are some posts that makes me think you might be town despite those problems I pointed out. Maybe you truly believe that.

Our best bet today is darthfoley. I'll show why.

Just don't drink all the whisky when you do it. Please bring a good case for the people to sheep!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 21:34 GMT
#1174
On June 01 2018 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you martyring against nothing LS?

It was a reaction test did you not read the thread lmao.


I guess I missed it. Why were you reaction testing GB though and what did you get out of it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 21:34 GMT
#1175
On June 01 2018 05:35 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 01 2018 05:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
raynpelikoneet [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare
byj [1]: Jealous
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj

Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels


Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.



Jealous is set to be lynched with only two votes.

On May 27 2018 03:29 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Grackaroni [3]: GlowingBear, Holyflare, darthfoley
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
byj [1]: Jealous
darthfoley [1]: Rels
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj
raynpelikoneet [0]: GlowingBear, Holyflare

Not Voting [2]: LightningStrike, fuba


Grackaroni is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


People pile on Grackaroni. A counter-wagon is formed. An inactive scum Jealous is safe for now.

On May 27 2018 07:00 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



Jealous [3]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni, GlowingBear
Koshi [3]: fuba, Holyflare, LightningStrike
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare, darthfoley
Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
byj [1]: Jealous
darthfoley [1]: Rels
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj
raynpelikoneet [0]: GlowingBear, Holyflare

Not Voting [0]:


Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


People change to Koshi, but my vote on Jealous sets him up for the lynch.


Meh, I started the analysis but it's taking too much effort, maybe I'll do it later. Besides, as I was analysing, I got really confused lol. I'll save this here anyway


What happened to showing why Darthfoley is mafia and why are you not that interested in it anymore?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 31 2018 21:36 GMT
#1176
btw why can mafia hold their shot when all we get is a 1 shot doctor that doesn't even achieve anything if he saves?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 31 2018 21:38 GMT
#1177
On June 01 2018 06:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 01 2018 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you martyring against nothing LS?

It was a reaction test did you not read the thread lmao.


I guess I missed it. Why were you reaction testing GB though and what did you get out of it?

To get a better read on GB and concluded even more town than before. On mobile atm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 31 2018 22:12 GMT
#1178
On June 01 2018 05:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 03:53 fuba wrote:
My two scum are DF and HF, but mostly from a paranoia POV. I'm not entirely sure of it, and generally from my way of scumhunting it's harder to read high-content posters, but I feel like since the moment Jealous was pretty locked in as the lynch, HF's been playing the long game. If DF is scum, then HF was basically able to pull the trigger on one of his scumbuddies D1 without fear and make himself look better in the process (and also making the alternative lynch candidate look townier because they were the counterwagon). He railed against rayn, he railed against GB, he railed against Koshi - either all high content posters who will oppose him or people that had the potential to read him well. People who can oppose his outspoken personality late game. He hasn't gone after (from what I can remember) me, DF, or byj - not sure about LS or Rels - I think they're kinda in the middle. If scum HF is going to survive with a team of himself, Jealous, and DF, he needs to take out those that can oppose him end game and will pursue it to his lynch. He tried to get the doc to protect himself over you, scum tried to take you out last night instead of him. He's not really trying to get other people to post more than they are - he's settling on high content posters and, if he's town, just kind of assuming the low content posters are town for no reason.

DF is kinda there as an afterthought and somewhat because of what I said yesterday. His spot could be filled by someone else - dunno who though. And I'm kind of locked in the thought of HF choosing between which of his two scum mates to hammer D1.


If I am trying to eliminate people that are capable of talking against me in a game that I have not much time to play in then why do I try and lynch those people instead of just placating them and nking them instead? Why would I sit on an afk jealous and not kill Koshi? Doesn't really add up I'm afraid.

Honestly, I thought Koshi was playing like shit. He wasn't involved in the thread, he threw out random reads that did not align with what I was thinking at all and there was no back and forth with people. He didn't have the Koshi spark at all. Thus, I've been pretty much using this unflipped association to base my entire game off of and it's pretty much backfired. I thought GB's pushes most of the game had ended up nowhere, with him not pushing anything in any direction and then him just looking for outs so that he could afk and do nothing (such as "omg vote hf I'll do nothing more").

Obviously now with the nk things have changed quite a lot. I don't know if he was shot or not. I have no actual reason to believe he was shot at all and think it's quite likely mafia held their shot if they were going to shoot because they'd have to basically kill grack or myself if GB is mafia and that narrows it down later in the game.

I've just tried to apply logic to the day 1 vote count where we lynched mafia with 3 votes but apparently logic does not actually apply since mafia did not try and save their partner in any way, shape or form if GB is town.

You can't shoot everyone, and supposedly two of the people I listed (rayn and GB) *were* shot by scum. If you're able to get town to kill the talkative townies, you don't have to shoot them or worry about a doc save. You can't just wait until we're three days in, get two mislynches on like, me and byj, and then feign innocence when GB and rayn are dead, and you still stand. So you need us to do your job for you or there's no way scum!HF make it to endgame.

Is the Koshi spark a uniquely town Koshi trait?
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 31 2018 22:15 GMT
#1179
GB why did you tell the doc not to save you yesterday?
@theRealMkfuba07
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
May 31 2018 22:33 GMT
#1180
On June 01 2018 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
I have a strong feeling byj is town. His posts seems relaxed, are original, he seems to believe in what he is posting, and seems interesting to get the discussion going. If he is newbie at mafia, I'd expect him to just get silent and let town drown in the lack of information.

So at the moment this is the town circle under my POV:

Byj
Grack
Glowingbear


The three of us must stick together if we want to win this game. Let's discuss a little, okay?
Who should we lynch and why?

I changed my mind on Byj over the night phase too.

I make no promises as to how long I will be able to post tonight before I fall into a drunken stupor.

Good times.
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