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On April 12 2018 02:24 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx? I suggested the night kill pointed to him first 
Why are you repeatedly dodging vivax posts?
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On April 12 2018 02:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
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It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote??? An impressive number of falsehoods in this post. - That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this. - I didn't sheep HF's posts. - I didn't scum-read n00b. - I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone. Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check? Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing. Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so.
Where exactly you ever scumread Vivax?
Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere After tr'ing me and Vivax, that leaves only n00b as a scumread.
You purely townread me for tone. Not gona look for it now but "he seems genuinely lost" something along those lines. If you didn't townread Vivax for tone can you please show why you cleared him?
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On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx?
Cuz im a day behind
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On April 12 2018 02:29 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:23 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:
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Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote??? An impressive number of falsehoods in this post. - That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this. - I didn't sheep HF's posts. - I didn't scum-read n00b. - I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone. Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check? Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing. Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so. Where exactly you ever scumread Vivax? Show nested quote +Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere After tr'ing me and Vivax, that leaves only n00b as a scumread. You purely townread me for tone. Not gona look for it now but "he seems genuinely lost" something along those lines. If you didn't townread Vivax for tone can you please show why you cleared him?
I scum-read Vivax for most of the time in the hours leading up to EOD. And then got stupid paranoid about votes and changed my mind. Again, if you actually read my filter then you would know this already, lol.
That was more of a hypothetical point. I didn't literally have a POE with you three. But I can see someone think I scum-read n00b from that.
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On April 12 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:24 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx? I suggested the night kill pointed to him first Why are you repeatedly dodging vivax posts?
I am checking your filters to see for myself.
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On April 12 2018 02:32 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:29 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 02:23 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
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There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote??? An impressive number of falsehoods in this post. - That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this. - I didn't sheep HF's posts. - I didn't scum-read n00b. - I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone. Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check? Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing. Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so. Where exactly you ever scumread Vivax? Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere After tr'ing me and Vivax, that leaves only n00b as a scumread. You purely townread me for tone. Not gona look for it now but "he seems genuinely lost" something along those lines. If you didn't townread Vivax for tone can you please show why you cleared him? I scum-read Vivax for most of the time in the hours leading up to EOD. And then got stupid paranoid about votes and changed my mind. Again, if you actually read my filter then you would know this already, lol. That was more of a hypothetical point. I didn't literally have a POE with you three. But I can see someone think I scum-read n00b from that.
I have read your filter. I know you scumread him towards EoD but I didn't see any reason to scumread vivax other than that one thing i quoted, I wanna know where you begin scumreading him. If those are the actual reasons its super bad. If not thats why i implied a HF sheep cuz you voted around the same time when HF was getting a train going.
lol bullshit, "I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere" then including those names means you think there is a scum between the four. Then you proceed to clear two of 4, one is you and then you now say n00b wasn't a scumread...
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I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix.
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Went and gathered most of Vivax's posts on Eversince.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.
-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote:
DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote:
No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing. On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version? On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips. It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it. On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:really strange reasoning there ES  On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding". On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote:
Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. Dont make me laugh No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way.
So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments.
Then Vivax pops in to say this:
On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|
I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip
which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died
but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please? On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died. On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun. 
I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really.
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Damdred, Calix/Exo +1 sounds about right
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On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix.
Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps.
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On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps.
I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason.
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On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason.
Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious?
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On April 12 2018 03:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious?
I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though.
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On April 12 2018 03:09 Calix wrote:Went and gathered most of Vivax's posts on Eversince. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.
-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote:
DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote:
No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing. On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version? On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips. It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it. On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:really strange reasoning there ES On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding". On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote:
Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. Dont make me laugh No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way. So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments. Then Vivax pops in to say this: Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :| I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip
which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died
but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please? On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died. On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun. I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really.
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That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me.
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On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious? I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though.
I'd argue that leaving Eversince alive is extremely risky and will distract town when it comes to scum-reads and making worlds. Because you will always be unsure whether she is legitimate or not. And unless we lynch a Roleblocker then this will not sort itself out. If you think situation is messy now then just think about potential LYLO scenarios.
The fact that she's done LESS game-solving since she claimed is also quite damning IMO.
Who is your 'POE' for third mafia?
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On April 12 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me.
You mean this part from his wall-post?
he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there.
I know you said you were not attacking ES over the RBer thing. But you're going to have to ELI5 since I don't follow how this quote strengthens your argument.
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Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.
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On April 12 2018 03:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious? I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though. I'd argue that leaving Eversince alive is extremely risky and will distract town when it comes to scum-reads and making worlds. Because you will always be unsure whether she is legitimate or not. And unless we lynch a Roleblocker then this will not sort itself out. If you think situation is messy now then just think about potential LYLO scenarios. The fact that she's done LESS game-solving since she claimed is also quite damning IMO. Who is your 'POE' for third mafia?
Town shouldn't get distracted by his input. Right now he is a true 50/50 for reasons i just said. We probably just lynch him only after lynching two mafia and pretend he doesn't play the game, although its kinda rude.
There is a chance he gets confirmed before lylo, if we lynch rb or rb targets someone else or other claims make gs impossible/highly improbable etc. so i think that is the better play here.
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What is POE? I didn't get to learn it in 2 years
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