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This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2
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On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2
"guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell.
Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself.
I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
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Trying to think here...going off the assumption ES is town.
1) ES announces he’s giving gun to either Calix or Rayn
now if scum team sees that what are their options.
- Role Block ES so no gun goes out, if there is RB
- Kill him and gun goes out
but what if Calix or Rayn is on scum team? They’d want that extra shot. So instead of RB him they let the gun go through, and kill either Calix or Rayn. If both Calix or Rayn is mafia they kill someone completely different.
So in short I think night actions confirm that there is a mafia RB, or that Calix and Rayn are both scum.
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On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2
TFW your scum buddy's in trouble but you don't want to bus so you make up some nonsensical "why would she do X as scum?" WIFOM where the answer is obvious.
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On April 11 2018 20:59 ExO_ wrote:
Trying to think here...going off the assumption ES is town.
1) ES announces he’s giving gun to either Calix or Rayn
now if scum team sees that what are their options.
- Role Block ES so no gun goes out, if there is RB
- Kill him and gun goes out
but what if Calix or Rayn is on scum team? They’d want that extra shot. So instead of RB him they let the gun go through, and kill either Calix or Rayn. If both Calix or Rayn is mafia they kill someone completely different.
So in short I think night actions confirm that there is a mafia RB, or that Calix and Rayn are both scum.
That's a lot of words to say "mafia probably have a Roleblocker" fam.
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On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2 "guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell. Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself. I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
I don’t think I agree. I don’t think scum ES would think “this will be a great dumb claim”. Its too much in my mind. If ES was scum he would know GB is dead, and I don’t think he would be able to come up with the idea to play dumb about his death to seem like town.
I think ES is town and just not paying close attention and is making mistakes.
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I believe ES because he doesn’t feel fake to me. He’s made a lot of mistakes with mechanics and reading, and not paying attention...but I believe its not a scum faking all of it. I believe ES is town
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On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?
Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun? If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had. I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.
Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia. Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1. Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either?
Fair enough.
No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.
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On April 11 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?
Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun? If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had. I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.
Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia. Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1. Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either? Fair enough. No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.
To be more clear. I donet think n1 not knowing gun makes es anything andd i can understand how someone thinks it could maje her mafia. I can also underatand how it doesnt. I dont understand how this is related to anything because i just skipped that discussion since ots dumb.
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I'm talking about vivax on n1. He's treating es saying she doesn't have a gun then as scummy today but last night said I was scummy for pushing the exact same thing.
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Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3
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On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3
Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|
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On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|
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This is THE EXACT SAME STUFF YOU CALLED ME MAFIA FOR PUSHING BECAUSE ES IS "OBVIOUSLY TOWN" AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING HER.
Jesus fuck the mafia is unreal.
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On April 11 2018 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have to look at the votes again tomorrow but Skynx can actually be hipster mafia. There are a couple of things that strike me super odd like: Show nested quote +However, him switching back to ES when claim is uncc'd felt very odd to me, when he had other scumreds such as Exo. His Vivax townread is mostly based on meta which i don't like as he seems to be using pure meta reads as a front against others. the first thing never happened and he himself saved Vivax. Also I find it kinda funny i find it kinda sad that noobking got lynched with none of the voters aside Vivax having any sort of case on him. Apparently Skynx and Exo sheeped this perfect case: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:31 Eversince wrote:
I parked my vote noob. I don't honestly know if he's scum but I can't get mislynch. I have to try to survive. And out of the options I think noob is the best place. Now really good night.
Sorry about the ES thing I messed up timestamps myself this time..
I dunno how me saving Vivax is relevant with your (particularly absent) tr of Vivax.
I did have my reason for lynching noobking albeit not a case.
I also like your stuff on Damdred, which rest of the thread is kinda sleeping on. You can be town for now.
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Calix your GB-me association is pretty garbage. Please try harder.
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Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up:
On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿)
Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even.
On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN?
None of this makes vivax scum.
Then proceeds to sheep this:
On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads?
This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere?
On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him.
bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax.
She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote???
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Why you just repeating things, Skynx?
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On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:
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Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote???
An impressive number of falsehoods in this post.
- That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this.
- I didn't sheep HF's posts.
- I didn't scum-read n00b.
- I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone.
Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check?
Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing.
Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so.
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On April 12 2018 00:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :| ??????? .......?????? ??? This is THE EXACT SAME STUFF YOU CALLED ME MAFIA FOR PUSHING BECAUSE ES IS "OBVIOUSLY TOWN" AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING HER. Jesus fuck the mafia is unreal.
This is the most fucked up thing in this thread and not one person has commented on it.
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On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx?
I suggested the night kill pointed to him first 
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