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Just waking up this morning. Did ever since give a gun to
HF?
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This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2
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Trying to think here...going off the assumption ES is town.
1) ES announces he’s giving gun to either Calix or Rayn
now if scum team sees that what are their options.
- Role Block ES so no gun goes out, if there is RB
- Kill him and gun goes out
but what if Calix or Rayn is on scum team? They’d want that extra shot. So instead of RB him they let the gun go through, and kill either Calix or Rayn. If both Calix or Rayn is mafia they kill someone completely different.
So in short I think night actions confirm that there is a mafia RB, or that Calix and Rayn are both scum.
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On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2 "guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell. Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself. I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
I don’t think I agree. I don’t think scum ES would think “this will be a great dumb claim”. Its too much in my mind. If ES was scum he would know GB is dead, and I don’t think he would be able to come up with the idea to play dumb about his death to seem like town.
I think ES is town and just not paying close attention and is making mistakes.
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I believe ES because he doesn’t feel fake to me. He’s made a lot of mistakes with mechanics and reading, and not paying attention...but I believe its not a scum faking all of it. I believe ES is town
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.
This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.
It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time
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On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment  Actually possible too, lmao. Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads?
Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken?
I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that
HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF.
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On April 12 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time She didn't know GB died so she literally didn't read the night one post. Plz flip mafia more.
Right but thats my point...she didn’t read the night post. I dont think scum member would just skip the night post and assume their KP went through which is what would have to happen for ES to be scum.
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On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment Actually possible too, lmao. On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads? Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken? I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF.
ebwop *had played before on tl
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On April 12 2018 05:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment Actually possible too, lmao. On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads? Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken? I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF. No she's definitely played games here before. 'I've never been great at reading scum' - I call bullshit on this. I've seen you play before and you were definitely not a wimp when it came to scum-reading people. Your passive tone here is a stark contrast. Also it's obvious you're going to vote for me. I don't know why you're limping into it. It's a close tie between your town-read and your biggest scum-read and YOU'RE STILL ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DECIDING? "probably be sheeping HF" my fucking arse.
I’m not acting like I’m deciding at all, I will 100% hands down vote you over ES. Where the hell do you come off saying im acting like im deciding?
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##Vote: Calix
to make it official
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Rayn I have 5 minutes left on lunch. Ill filter dive and make the case after work, it will prob be late though. But ill do it before day ends here.
That said I find it really odd you want me to make a case on you. But I will.
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On April 12 2018 05:39 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:38 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 05:35 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment Actually possible too, lmao. On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads? Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken? I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF. No she's definitely played games here before. 'I've never been great at reading scum' - I call bullshit on this. I've seen you play before and you were definitely not a wimp when it came to scum-reading people. Your passive tone here is a stark contrast. Also it's obvious you're going to vote for me. I don't know why you're limping into it. It's a close tie between your town-read and your biggest scum-read and YOU'RE STILL ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DECIDING? "probably be sheeping HF" my fucking arse. I’m not acting like I’m deciding at all, I will 100% hands down vote you over ES. Where the hell do you come off saying im acting like im deciding? If you're " probably sheeping HF" then that means you're not 100% sure BY DEFINITION.
Is this helping town in any way? Does this somehow make me scummier? You’re nit picking my wording. Im not sheeping HF if he votes ES, or if something changes my mind. Ergo im probably sheeping HF.
The hell are you hoping to accomplish with a post like this?
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On April 12 2018 17:22 Eversince wrote:
##vote: Eversince
I'm sorry guys. I'll try to catch up but I'm a far way behind. I didn't get to read anything from today.
I can't no vote so I'll just vote myself. I'll try to be around but the last few days have been really rough for me. No promises.
The hell is this shit. This is a game, you are going to get voted. I believe you are town, and if you are town you have an obligation to not just give up and throw a temper tantrum of self-loathing. Play the game, convince people you are town so we can actually lynch scum.
If you're scum w/e, but honestly this shit pisses me off.
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On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:52 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:39 Skynx wrote:
In meantime I'll vote for you ma'am begging your pardon. Who do you think COULD be third mafia by Process Of Eliminating the people you think are town. Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn
tube, vivax, homeless
Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs)
ignore: ESI'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need.
This scum list is incredibly shitty. Skynx explain to me in what world Calix and I are a scum team? And just casually throwing Damdred in there seems like some bullshit to me.
There's been pressure on me, pressure on Calix, and Damdred is afk. This case is weak and scummy as hell.
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On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix.
especially considering this post skynx made. What changed Skynx, why am I suddenly scum with Calix now when I'm never mafia together with Calix earlier?
Skynkx is scum as hell
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On April 12 2018 03:10 Skynx wrote:
Damdred, Calix/Exo +1 sounds about right
+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious? I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though.
I think almost everyone here has had an opinion on ES, that's he's either more likely telling the truth, or he's scum. Skynkx is avoiding giving an opinion all together here and his scum list has just turned into whatever he can throw together. afk Damdred, and just throwing me and Calix together.
I'm pretty sold, Skynkx is scum.
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On April 12 2018 20:32 Skynx wrote:Second one baby, you're never scum with Calix. Calix/Exo (tvs) in scumpile indicates one of two is scum (tvs) try harder plx
So your scum read is Damdred (who's afk) and either me or Calix. What's the case for me, what's the case for Calix? Does it matter to you who is considered scum,?
If you think Calix is scum you should 100% be town reading me.
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On April 12 2018 20:39 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 09:19 Tubesock wrote:
If you guys don’t want to off vote ES cause you don’t think Calix is mafia, then fine let’s kill Skynx. Or Exo or Damdred. I’ll support that but you’re all making a mistake on ES. I don't see how you still scumread me when we scumread exact same people.
Because saying one of Calix/Me is scum is complete garbage, and I can't think of any way a town player reaches that conclusion. Explain to me how you aren't town reading me if you are scum reading Calix. Explain how you reach this conclusion, because I don't believe its natural.
This makes me hella doubt my scum read on Calix, because I don't think you bus your scum buddy d2 like this and I believe you're scum.
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On April 12 2018 20:43 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 20:40 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 20:32 Skynx wrote:Second one baby, you're never scum with Calix. Calix/Exo (tvs) in scumpile indicates one of two is scum (tvs) try harder plx So your scum read is Damdred (who's afk) and either me or Calix. What's the case for me, what's the case for Calix? Does it matter to you who is considered scum,? If you think Calix is scum you should 100% be town reading me. I'm sheeping rayn case on Damdred, everything he says sounds about right. Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:I agree with your stuff on Calix. There was and is never anything wrong in my case on Exo. Furthermore the dude came in before the lynch and just casually asked "why is rayn scumreading me" when it says so in my post where i voted for him. But he was still aware of the wagons and had actually managed to read the thread well enough to make a judgement call on who to lynch, aka reading the thread but still not reading the thread, whatever suits him. Saying i should townread him because he does stupid shit as town too is just a nonsense defense. Then he adds me and Damdred to his scumreads because we "havent been playing much". Well actually he only adds me and Damdred is just "worrying". Funny thing is i have over twice the filter the dude himself has. On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.
Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break Never says anything about why Vivax is town other than Vivax feels town. That is not a read. I understand people scumreading Vivax if you don't know Vivax, i don't understand people townreading Vivax if they don't know Vivax at all, especially with reasoning "Vivax feels town". Let's see what the filter dive on noobking and Skynx reveals: And side note trying to read n00bking filter is obonoxious as hell. I’ve never quite seen somebody consantly feel the need to use 20 words when 2 would suffice. Loves to bash TL mafia and toot his own horn like he’s the second coming in TL mafia, but isn’t really helping anybody. Its very hard to be objective towards him with this attitude. And any good player would know that constantly filling the thread with your own ego is more of a distraction to town than it is helping them. This is not a scumread. None of this is saying why noobking is mafia. And Skynx, yeah apparently there was no Skynx filter dive after all..... Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay. I don't really have anything to say about kush. Dude is just probably mafia. Still hasn't done anything. ----- And vivax is town because he actually fights for the stuff he says and gets angry when he tries to explain something and people dont get/believe what he says. Holyflare, it is very easy to get annoyed with you, because you can be really annoying -- i don't mean in a bad way but when you are super pushy it feels super annoying. Vivax still tries. And tries. Like i said, mafia!Vivax with 90% certainty wouldn't give a fuck and just drop dead, because that's what mafia!Vivax does. You can think he is mafia ll you want, you can think i am mafia all you want for my "flip-floppy" or whatever bullshit you said read on him. And i don't care but that's what i think. I am also very fucking sorry i work exactly the last 8-10 hours of any phase so you better lynch me or shoot me dead then because the fact is i am not going to be around as much as any of your fucking highnesses would like me to on any eod. If you've actually read my filter like you promissed 2 days ago you'll find out my arguments against you and Calix. Go do your job lol
I have been, and I just looked it over again. I don't see the case you make against me in there, and I realllly don't see how you are making this association read that Calix flipping one alignment makes me the other, and vice versa.
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