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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 13:57 GMT
#2744
I'm voting for rayn right now. HF, Tube, you guys should too. I'd say Vivax but he isn't going to listen to me.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 17:01 GMT
#2754
On April 18 2018 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
I've dropped confirmed town hints/crumbs all game. Does nobody read role pms?


You could have told us that the VT PM isn’t in the OP, lol.

Like yeah, you are technically confirmed town now but I didn’t think you needed to do that and it’s unfair to the mafia team, almost as bad as Vivax.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 17:04 GMT
#2759
I think Rayn is. Mafia are voting for Oats which tells me he is not an important role like Role blocker. Because you do not bus RBer when Vet is alive. So I think Rayn is more likely to have a good scum role.

This sounds crazy but I believe it :p
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 17:14 GMT
#2761
On April 18 2018 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm thinking ch is their power role and you fucked uo not voting him. I'm also not entirely convinced rayn is mafia and it might be vivax/ch/oats and vivax just spams nonsense and gets town read through filter length.


Yes, CH being mafia adds insult to injury regarding my D1 lol.

I still think Vivax is town because of Dick Move Analysis but given he’s done nothing and continues to not give a single fuck I can’t blame people for being skeptical.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 17:16 GMT
#2762
Although I will ask why you are so unsure about Rayn. What are you waiting for exactly?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 17:31 GMT
#2765
Yes I agree that people who complain and/or martyr when they’re cased are annoying and hypocritical.

But it is what it is. My old site went a similar way.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 20:34 GMT
#2772
On April 18 2018 05:32 Vivax wrote:
Even if we lynch mafia two days in a row now we will be stuck with Rayn vs HF at lylo cause you lynched skynx and I don't have a guarantee in my mind that they're not both mafia even though I'm tentatively town on rayn now.


Vote for Rayn then if you think that’s going to be a problem in 2v1. This is a thing.

Or at least explain how anything he has posted today is townie.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 20:49 GMT
#2774
On April 18 2018 05:41 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 05:34 Calix wrote:
On April 18 2018 05:32 Vivax wrote:
Even if we lynch mafia two days in a row now we will be stuck with Rayn vs HF at lylo cause you lynched skynx and I don't have a guarantee in my mind that they're not both mafia even though I'm tentatively town on rayn now.


Vote for Rayn then if you think that’s going to be a problem in 2v1. This is a thing.

Or at least explain how anything he has posted today is townie.


Why would I vote for the guy I'm more town on than HF.

You're not telling my I should believe that the crumb makes him town.


No, I was referring to your comment about how you're not sure whether both are mafia or not. I was saying that if that's how you feel then vote for one of them and deal with the problem now rather than at 2v1. Because 'tentatively town on rayn' doesn't sound like you think only one of them is mafia moreso than both.

I think HF's overall progression this game is more likely town than mafia. The way he reacts to new information seems authentic to me. And he has agreed with a lot of things I have said and said stuff I would have said had I been in the thread. I doubt you will find these points convincing though because you think I am mafia. But who knows, we might be able to reconcile our differences.

Also I am not going to tell you that you should town-read HF based on the VT thing because using that as a reason is a bit BM for mafia.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 20:50 GMT
#2775
Anyway I would still like to know why you think rayn is more likely town. I do not see it at all.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 21:10 GMT
#2778
On April 18 2018 06:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 03:42 Holyflare wrote:
the case is you've done shit all

fair


Is this your version of a baby seal?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 21:19 GMT
#2780
On April 18 2018 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 06:10 Calix wrote:
On April 18 2018 06:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 18 2018 03:42 Holyflare wrote:
the case is you've done shit all

fair


Is this your version of a baby seal?

I mean, hes the one complaining about people not responding to cases and whatever when hes pretty much just gone like "screw this game, i dont care anymore, im voting oats". Not sure how i can respond to that.

Nobody has any reasons why they want to lynch me.


Go post some intelligent thoughts on what the best mafia teams are using post analysis or VCA or something related to mafia. Whining about being lynched when you aren't doing anything does not make one sympathetic to your plight.

And if you're just posting to avoid mod-kill then at least add some cute animal pictures
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 17 2018 21:27 GMT
#2782
On April 18 2018 06:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 06:19 Calix wrote:
On April 18 2018 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 18 2018 06:10 Calix wrote:
On April 18 2018 06:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 18 2018 03:42 Holyflare wrote:
the case is you've done shit all

fair


Is this your version of a baby seal?

I mean, hes the one complaining about people not responding to cases and whatever when hes pretty much just gone like "screw this game, i dont care anymore, im voting oats". Not sure how i can respond to that.

Nobody has any reasons why they want to lynch me.


Go post some intelligent thoughts on what the best mafia teams are using post analysis or VCA or something related to mafia. Whining about being lynched when you aren't doing anything does not make one sympathetic to your plight.

And if you're just posting to avoid mod-kill then at least add some cute animal pictures

This game is solved already what are you talking about.


Okay then?

Dunno why I keep trying to talk to you. Never does anything.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 06:21 GMT
#2823
I could have told you that earlier, HF. CH doesn’t give a damn about what alignment you are. He only cares about finding shit to fling against the wall.

He even said so himself when he “found something” before making up some inane theory about blue softing.

It’s quite blatant.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 06:28 GMT
#2827
On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:21 Calix wrote:
I could have told you that earlier, HF. CH doesn’t give a damn about what alignment you are. He only cares about finding shit to fling against the wall.

He even said so himself when he “found something” before making up some inane theory about blue softing.

It’s quite blatant.


ah yes

i as scum would out myself by saying “i found somethingl

brilliant analysis


You’re outing yourself by pushing stuff you didn’t care about earlier and which makes no sense from scum POV.

Also by calling me “confirmed scum” for shit which doesn’t make people scum.

Your reads have changed at the drop of a hat today. First Rayn is mafia and so is Oats, then you suddenly make an about-turn to attack me over how I word my posts. When nobody found that convincing you started talking shit about HF and suddenly Rayn and Oats can be town here. Despite Oats being all but outed mafia.

For shame.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 06:30 GMT
#2828
On April 18 2018 15:25 currentlyhomeless wrote:
also if i am scum and you are town why would you want me to reread your post anyway

you dont need to convince me if im scum


???
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 06:41 GMT
#2830
Such convincing arguments. All rhetoric, ad homs, and almost nothing based in fact.

I’m cutting the argument short because I need to catch the train. I should be around for EOD though.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 10:31 GMT
#2854
On April 18 2018 19:27 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 16:35 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock what are your thoughts on any of this? Do you town read ch? If so, why?


I read CH town. I don’t read his last posts as slinging shade to see what will stick. I see him in the exact spot I’m in. We’re on the verge of being swept. I think it’s a natural time to be reevaluating and looking in different places.

Oatsmaster has only voted for Calix. I find that super weird if he’s scum. I’ve seen town do that. Not sure I’ve seen scum do it. I’m going to check to see if he’s ever done that.



CH isn’t evaluating our alignments though. He’s trying to find something that will make a town player switch votes from mafia to HF/me.

Oats has scumread me forever, not that weird.

You’re making the mistake of looking at WHAT he’s doing and not WHY he’s doing it. Bad idea.

Anyway I am changing my vote to Oats. Votes are not great right now.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 10:42 GMT
#2857
I am all in on CH/ rayn/ Oats so the only thing left for me to do is to convince you two that this is the mafia team. rayn/ CH will be doing their best to convince you that HF/ Calix is the team. I am saying this to make it explicit what our agendas are.

Like that is the game. HF/ Calix vs rayn/ CH/ Oats. Nobody is compromising from this point onward. Basically you two will decide who wins the game.

Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer.

And Oats is always mafia here, lol. There is no magical tinfoil world where he is town who just decides to diddle himself at LYLO. He's hardly posting anything because he doesn't want to compromise mafia agenda.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 10:54 GMT
#2860
On April 18 2018 19:49 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 19:42 Calix wrote:
Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer.


I disagree with you about CH not caring about the game. To me he’s very much trying to solve it.


Yeah, he is definitely trying, but he's defending all the wrong players (rayn, Oats!) and digging up 'dirt' on the townies. He's formed his conclusion (HF/ Calix = mafia) and is manipulating and distorting the facts to fit his agenda. That's why he is mafia.

I will probably have to get out the wall-posts at some point to show what I am talking about because you don't see what I see. But when I was talking to him, I could tell he didn't give a flying fuck about whether I was wrong-headed town or mafia. I know when someone's trying to understand my perspective and he was not doing that. Because he already knows I am town and he has to twist what I say to make it look like I'M the mafia instead.

I will give him this though, he brings a mean scum game.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 18 2018 11:30 GMT
#2862
On April 18 2018 16:08 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:52 Tubesock wrote:
Hmmm.

I kinda think everyone is town and everyone is mafia.

To be fair, HF does that fake crumbing stuff all the time. I’ll probably fallback on Oats.

Plus I’ll be sad if Vivax is right.


if hes right we need to kill hf eventually anyway

also we need to decide within the next few hours cause i wont be around at deadline to swap my vote. i’m going to be gone after about another 2 hours.

anyway i think its pretty simple.

there is one scum between vivax oats and rayn. and at this point the least likely to be scum between them is probably vivax cause rayn could be scum with hf & calix if one of them is gf like exo said.

which means killing oats today is not the best choice.


calix is somehow saying oats is outed scum here but voting rayn. if calix actually believes oats is 100% outed scum then why the fuck is calix voting someone non-guaranteed-scum when we need to be unanimous?

predictably calix will probably switch to oats when no one is going to vote rayn and its still clear oats is the lynch today, which either means we lose bc oats is town or we get another day to decide between calix hf rayn and whoever else is alive.

instead the best choice is for us to kill either hf or calix. i’m fine with either since we have to kill both eventually, though i really wanna see hf flip scum :p


Also I feel compelled to point out that the bolded paragraph is hot trash.

He asserts that "there is 1 scum between Vivax/ Oats/ rayn" and he rules out Vivax because of...something to do with Godfathers and HF/ rayn? K. Apparently NOTHING Vivax has posted makes him town. There isn't anything game-solving here. He's writing words to make it look like he's considering the game but there is no thought. Vivax could have posted monkey pictures and it wouldn't change this paragraph at all because Vivax's posts are completely irrelevant to the 'reasoning' behind why he's town least likely mafia.

I invite you to look at the wording in particular. Vivax is 'least likely mafia' (not town) because of associations. Hedged read that leaves CH a way out if thread sentiment turns against Vivax later.

AND THEN SUDDENLY he says that the Vivax/ HF/ rayn thing "means" killing Oats isn't the best choice. Somehow the information in the preceding paragraph has something to do with ruling Oats out as a lynch. I have no idea what. There is no logical progression here.

As for the rest of this post, it's basically him trying to push through a HF lynch in the last few hours before EOD. There is no attempt to convince the thread that Oats can be town (because it is not possible) or explaining how HF's macro game makes him mafia. Instead he's spinning some narrative about how HF fake-claiming makes him mafia (when it's NAI for HF) and pushing it in the hopes that Vivax or Tubesock finally fuck up and vote for a townie.
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