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On April 14 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
When did I ever say they were both town? Now THAT is a distinct lack of reading comprehension.
No, I am saying that is the only explanation for not voting within the claim scenario that has even a modicum of town motivation behind it. Any other explanation is bullshit by default.
Even if I had claimed that you said both were town, you only have yourself to blame for asking for my opinions when I admitted I hadn't properly read the thread 
On April 14 2018 08:03 Holyflare wrote:
I also think it's quite likely you'll lynch me, I'll flip town and then you lynch rayn and the game could theoretically be over if any of those scenarios happened. I think it's a far far better play to find two mafia outside of the claims and let it resolve itself.
Yes but you're not doing that, sweetie.
Anyhow, much as I'd love to continue talking with the ever-delightful Holyflare, I am leaving to catch my beauty sleep. Lord knows I need it 
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On April 14 2018 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today wtf explain how the claim is untrustworthy we’ll wait exos shady af what more do you need to know? Also 3 blue roles is bad balance
Then vote ExO wtf. If you think he's lying then he should be 100% mafia to you, lol.
I also have no idea what people are smoking. Instead of trying to figure out what alignments HF and rayn (who are like RLY GUD AT SCUM) are, or whether ExO claim makes sense (hint: it does), half the thread's dismissing the checks because of implausible role WIFOM. If HF/ rayn/ ExO actually WERE all town, why would mafia NOT try and vote one of them off? They'd have the perfect excuse.
It's almost like there actually is a mafia in those names and they are stalling super-hard right now. Which is why I'm somehow getting lynched despite there being an unresolved cop claim.
We have already seen how detrimental Eversince's unresolved claim (with the WIFOM, the mistakes, the implausible scenarios, the gun fuckery WHICH IS STILL A THING) was so anyone who thinks that leaving the cop claim/ checks around is either retarded or mafia.
No matter how you spin it, the odds that the checks are legit are considerably higher and no amount of prattle about "Millers" or "Framers" is going to change that.
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For people who are allergic to wall-posts, I'll make a tl;dr.
LEAVING CLAIMS UNRESOLVED = BAD.
USING ROLE WIFOM OVER ANALYSIS = ALSO BAD.
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On April 14 2018 19:04 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:02 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 14 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today wtf explain how the claim is untrustworthy we’ll wait exos shady af what more do you need to know? Also 3 blue roles is bad balance Then vote ExO wtf. If you think he's lying then he should be 100% mafia to you, lol. I also have no idea what people are smoking. Instead of trying to figure out what alignments HF and rayn (who are like RLY GUD AT SCUM) are, or whether ExO claim makes sense (hint: it does), half the thread's dismissing the checks because of implausible role WIFOM. If HF/ rayn/ ExO actually WERE all town, why would mafia NOT try and vote one of them off? They'd have the perfect excuse. It's almost like there actually is a mafia in those names and they are stalling super-hard right now. Which is why I'm somehow getting lynched despite there being an unresolved cop claim. We have already seen how detrimental Eversince's unresolved claim (with the WIFOM, the mistakes, the implausible scenarios, the gun fuckery WHICH IS STILL A THING) was so anyone who thinks that leaving the cop claim/ checks around is either retarded or mafia. No matter how you spin it, the odds that the checks are legit are considerably higher and no amount of prattle about "Millers" or "Framers" is going to change that. tl;dr
Ha.
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On April 14 2018 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
Calix. There are three claimed blue players in a 13 player game. What roles do you think mafia have?
So we have confirmed GS. And then PC and Vet. I don't think the current claimed setup is that bad. And nobody else is claiming blue.
RBer, Role Cop, Framer/ Godfather seems alright. I say RC to help with finding the hypothetical three blues. I'm not sure whether Miller would be a thing. Two anti-cop roles against Parity Cop seems like overkill. Which is why I don't find the role hype convincing.
Just my two cents.
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On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose.
I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO.
But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO.
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On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?
I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.
I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.
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On April 14 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose. I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO. But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO. So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D
The plan is to analyse you guys today and only consider whether role fuckery happened if someone gets MLed :D
Because right now I couldn't give two shits about that as a possibility tbh. Role mechanics talk is boring and repetitive. I'm only talking about it because people keep making it a thing.
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?
In that world, there's always the possibility that you reconsider and end up lynching mafia instead.
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On April 14 2018 19:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:22 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose. I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO. But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO. So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D The plan is to analyse you guys today and only consider whether role fuckery happened if someone gets MLed :D Because right now I couldn't give two shits about that as a possibility tbh. Role mechanics talk is boring and repetitive. I'm only talking about it because people keep making it a thing. Why analyse us and mislynch when you have a 66-100% chance of finding mafia outside it? What the fuck kind of nonsense are you peddling.
You've made the assumption that I'd analyse, have none of my reads change, and then keep voting for you, presumed townie. This is not necessarily the case. But there is no way I am leaving cop stuff unresolved and ripe for MORE WIFOM unless I filter dive and conclude that you're both leprechaun green and there must have just obviously been a false check somewhere.
And yeah, I'd obviously look at CH, Skynx, Vivax, Oats, etc, too. I have a lot of stuff to reread.
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On April 14 2018 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
Which you keep making excuses for not doing and then making decisions based on bad premises.
I'm busy and don't really give a damn about whether I'm lynched or not. But as said before, I am required to put in some effort so that people don't go "omg why didn't she try harder" post-lynch.
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?
On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that? If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?
As for rayn...?
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On April 14 2018 19:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:38 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that? On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.
9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.
5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:
Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.
Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia? I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it. I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know. If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that? If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him? As for rayn...? Not scum read n1 likely to be protected n2. Can you name another person on n2 that could be a likely medic save? You've also still not seen my bait a few pages back which is quite worrying for your alignment.
I don't have a fucking clue who would have been shot. Someone who actually posted would have been my guess.
Had claims not gone down, I would probably not be town-reading anyone right now.
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Yeah I don't think CH/ HF is a thing given D1 votes. Unless HF just randomly felt like bussing for shits and giggles. So that's one thing I feel confident about.
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On April 14 2018 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
No town reads, if vivax is town we're pushing town and if the alternative is you and you're town why change the game?
You guys are kinda the closest thing we have to the 'leader' players in this game so if the thread is murky, full of suspicious-looking people and the 'town leader' players only seem to be making the problem worse then that points to at least one of you guys being scum. Possibly two if there's some 'shit up the thread' strategy. HF/ rayn/ Vivax would be pretty sick but that's a bit too tinfoil and is incredibly unlikely anyway given cop stuff.
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Also I don't actually hate the points against Vivax. It is true that he's been unnecessarily emo, self-aware about meta and posting ridiculous theory after theory (even positing that ES/ Calix was a thing at one point) with little regard for evidence.
Although I am going to ask about the gun stuff. Because I also don't understand why rayn can't have a gun. I thought the "we should PL rayn" stuff was dumb (just lynch scum-reads) but I'm not seeing what stops a scum!rayn from having a gun.
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On April 14 2018 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
If a gunsmith is roleblocked they get the gun back.
Rayn enters the thread and says he doesn't have a gun.
He asks Eversince if she has a gun or not to confirm whether she's telling the truth or not.
Eversince doesn't reply.
If rayn was mafia with a gun why would he come in the thread and lie that he doesn't have a gun when town Eversince can just confirm otherwise.
Oh, GS actually gets notified on that? lolme.
Well that makes sense then.
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On April 14 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote:Really wish you'd try harder
You mocking me or something? You think I'm mafia and you're not happy that I'm not really trying?
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On April 14 2018 20:10 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 20:06 currentlyhomeless wrote:
you know whats interesting about skynx
after i schooled him in math he just sort of slinked off
also why did he say he was excited about catching scumflare when he literally had one reason to vote hf Yeah. I’d be down for killing Skynx. At least Calix is playing and trying something.
???
Don't you think I am 100% mafia though? lol.
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On April 14 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:On April 14 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote:Really wish you'd try harder You mocking me or something? You think I'm mafia and you're not happy that I'm not really trying? Democracy will prevail.
That's a yes then.
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