[M] Classic Mafia

On March 20 2018 09:42 disformation wrote:
just for the record: moosy asking bout the setup is fairly nai. totally in his town range.

On March 20 2018 12:16 n00bKing wrote:
I don't know how to "unlock" Alakaslam, and make him do stuff that's productive (if, in fact, that is a thing that can be accomplished). So I'll make that someone else's problem.

I would support nearly any course of action that makes darthfoley stop doing what he's doing.

I like Koshi's vote on disfo, so I'm gonna join that effort.

##Vote: disformation

More votes on ykl would also be a good thing.

On March 20 2018 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I would remove FF and Moosy. Also possibly Koshi because regardless of if he is right or wrong on disformation i believe his read is genuine.

On March 20 2018 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I have no reservations about lynching people on day 1 who are intentionally not playing like Koshi

On March 20 2018 21:12 KelsierSC wrote:


he probably read that Koshi was scum or VT which is a pretty solid basis.

On March 21 2018 06:20 rsoultin wrote:


I'd say that's boring and I want to hear more reads, but it's actually not entirely in thread sentiment (though from my perspective it should be lol ><).

Still think disinfo is the best lynch, koshi?

On March 21 2018 10:13 n00bKing wrote:

lol, sure buddy. I'm not being scumread by a significant number of players. I'm not in the Noose right now, the number of votes on me are fewer than will be had by the eventual lynch, and there's a lot of time left in the Phase.

If the scum team isn't terrified of me yet, they WILL be. In all the years I've played this game, and in all the dozens of times I've played this game, I have still never ONCE been end-gamed as Town. If I'm Town, and the scum won, then I HAD to have been dead. The scum team MUST eliminate me themselves, or get the town to do it for them, because if I'm left alive, the mafia win percentage falls to ZERO.

As another player once put it, the only person who figures out the scum roster faster than I do, is the narrator.

It has also been more than four YEARS since any town team I was on accidentally mislynched or vig-shot me, and then managed to win without my help. It's never happened here. Town won when the scum team failed to kill me, and town won after the scum team night-killed me, but the one time I was mislynched, is my only Town loss here. (I voted against only two players in that game, and both were scum, but even after I was mislynched, Town didn't follow my votes quickly enough to win the game without me.)

If there are any players in this game more experienced than I am, there aren't many. And I expect there are none who could match my winning percentage.

But keep on running your mouth.

On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's like if I said

"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"

Followed by an explanation of

"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "

The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.

Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy.

On March 21 2018 13:13 Tictock wrote:
Bah, don't have as much time as I would have liked after showering/getting rdy for bed.

I dislike not having any posts from Rels or Sicklucker, but I agree with Rsoul (?) that it is a bad idea to lynch them as it is kinda a waste and at best a coinflip.

I don't want to lynch (in no particular order) Holyflare + Show Spoiler +, Mocsta + Show Spoiler +, Vivax + Show Spoiler +, raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +, KelsierSC + Show Spoiler +.

I probably wouldn't lynch these people (weak-leaning town), Conversion + Show Spoiler +, rsoultin + Show Spoiler +, disformation + Show Spoiler +, Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +

Jury is out on these folks, Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +, darthfoley + Show Spoiler +, ykl + Show Spoiler +

Probably mafia in: ExO_ + Show Spoiler +, n00bking + Show Spoiler +, Palmar + Show Spoiler +, Koshi + Show Spoiler +

Bleh, guess this became basically just a list post. Was hoping to organize my thoughts better, and I'm not super happy with where I am kus there are a ton of people I would like to filter.

I will not be doing that though as I am not tryharding this game and I will prob only have time to catchup before deadline. I'm fine with any lynch as long as it's someone if my "joury's out" or "prob mafia" list.

On March 21 2018 14:16 Alakaslam wrote:

And this is the beauty of smashboards.

They play blue way better than we do folks.

Listen, how did I know Noobking was scum?

PASSIVE VOICE. But passive even for him.

We usually are all very active voices, but his is more often passive. We are very much gone readers here.

BUT HE IS HELLUVA LOT LESS PASSIVE. Consider that before lynching him.

On March 21 2018 17:18 Vivax wrote:


No, Koshi. We talked about this.

On March 21 2018 17:53 n00bKing wrote:

Like, I don't understand any of what he said there, about "passive voice." But sure, when he gives the go....thousand suns. Also, you are mostly still killing it, this game. So keep up the good work.

On February 13 2018 19:18 Koshi wrote:

Small meta thing. Disfo tends to make good posts as mafia and then goes "rawr rawr my post is so good rawr rawr"

But as town he makes a good point and then instantly counters his own good point with like a supershitty point and acts like his good point isnt good anymore.


It's funny.

On March 21 2018 20:38 rsoultin wrote:


-shrugs- idk. i think assuming there's 5 isn't awful, because if we're wrong we just win earlier \o/ or...were not going to win anyway? lol

On March 22 2018 03:59 Vivax wrote:
So if I pretend ExO can't get lynched today:

Koshi, KSc, rayn, HF, rsoultin are probs mafia. For postgame.

On March 22 2018 04:47 disformation wrote:
I also hate being blue. just as a random fyi.

On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote:
yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not:
say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.

On March 22 2018 05:11 disformation wrote:
conv can still be scum, too.

On March 22 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:
Are you slipping I wont be shot 2nite?

On March 23 2018 05:20 darthfoley wrote:
I'm still very hopeful Kelscier is scum. That would make me happy and feel vindicated

On March 23 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god i fucked up. Should have lynched df.

On March 23 2018 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am going to only like you if disformation is mafia because you haven't done anything in this game tbh.

On March 23 2018 08:19 rsoultin wrote:


How is he confirmed town? I'll admit an ExO shot is weird for scum tho unless they were bluereading him

On March 23 2018 08:19 Conversion wrote:
Koshi your list and his list literally only has FF in it, unless I can't read.

(?)

On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:

If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.

When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.

Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.

Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.

On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:


Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.

Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...

On March 23 2018 08:35 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi,
Vivax being on hidden mafia would imply you.

rsoultin and me having common ground seems challenging at this point.

I do think tictock looks bad with HF dead; and I liked the HF mindmeld on that read.

I would consolidate onto tictock.

going to go away and do some work.

On March 23 2018 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Mocsta, why ExO and not darthfoley or Conversion or someone else?

On March 23 2018 08:44 Palmar wrote:
1. Mocsta is confirmed town for all intents and purposes. The chances of this being some stupid play by mafia are low enough that I'm not gonna worry about it for now.

2. We're not killing rsoultin.

I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today.

On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote:


Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town

Rels -- flipped town
Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through
darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town
n00bking -- ???
Conversion -- ???

If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.

On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote:


I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod

On March 23 2018 13:13 Mocsta wrote:
Standard shit sandwhich delivery
Dont like this post.

On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?

As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all.

On March 23 2018 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will most likely sheep Holyflare or Palmar here. That honestly probably means i will vote for noobking or tictock actually instead. I am gonna let df and disformation be and say "i told you so" post game.

On March 24 2018 00:05 disformation wrote:
uh. my seal flip quip is actually real good.
cause either its a legit town seal or a baby seal.

@yoshi: do you beliebe in the town seal as hard as it looks like in your reads list?

On March 25 2018 09:01 Mocsta wrote:

I dont care the amount

It is the content

Like that last game we played bkth town
You shone through and had committment with low post

This game is like the poor cousin

On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
If I Die Before I Wake

Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.

*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.

(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)

Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.

disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.

FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).

DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.

Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?

On March 26 2018 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

Why didnt you rb n1

Did you think i would shoot town or didnt believe the claim?

On March 26 2018 18:39 Mocsta wrote:

I was being faecetious

On March 20 2018 09:42 disformation wrote:
just for the record: moosy asking bout the setup is fairly nai. totally in his town range.

On March 26 2018 19:43 disformation wrote:
wtf kinda game would this be.
mods have more kills than the scumteam.
town more roles than the scum team ppl.

like man there is no way you are a freaking town rb

On March 26 2018 19:47 darthfoley wrote:
Claiming town RB is potentially cool to do considering 4 people have already concluded that you're mafia.

I'm also fine voting for you for your humble posts

On March 26 2018 19:55 disformation wrote:

yes. i think the chance is abysmal.
5 blues is def at least 1 too many and i think i'll trust mocsta over you.

though you have me at an disadvantage. your filter is small as all hell and i'll be fairly busy tomorrow evening.

On March 26 2018 19:58 disformation wrote:

rly? thought it only ignored protection/heals...
but.. where would those strongmans be? like. only extra kp was mocsta.
and i dont think he would use the strongman on mocsta and claim town vigi during the resolution time.

that would be one hell of a play though.

On March 26 2018 20:08 disformation wrote:
also why are you so sure scum has a strongarm?

On March 26 2018 20:18 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi eventually goes back to dis formation after a flurry of posts?! Color me surprised

On March 26 2018 20:18 disformation wrote:
though i grant you.
even against jk and vet that role would make sense.

On March 26 2018 20:23 Koshi wrote:
:
##unvote
##vote darthfoley

On March 26 2018 20:27 disformation wrote:
like i kinda can see you being a shitter d1 as town!koshi.
but i kinda would have expected you to do... like something d2.

On March 26 2018 20:32 disformation wrote:

was meant more in like a low volume, low involvement kinda way. like exactly this "here are some reeds, but i dont care if you do something with it or not" thing.

On March 26 2018 20:33 disformation wrote:

*facepalmar*

On March 26 2018 22:39 Palmar wrote:

you literally just wrote

"so it is palmar"

What insightful analysis has caused you to reach that conclusion?

On March 26 2018 22:44 Palmar wrote:
@Koshi

explain to me, if you as the town RB, knowing you might get shot. Why did you decide to not crumb your blocks because a successful one is a pretty guaranteed mafia... ?

On March 26 2018 22:44 Palmar wrote:

"the one in which koshi poe's himself"

On March 26 2018 22:46 Palmar wrote:
and yes I'm very much fine with disfo, he's been active and just doesn't sound like mafia. I'm probably more inclined to tinfoil lynch mocsta than him.

But thanks to morons who can't be arsed to play the game we don't have the luxury of mislynching bad claimers to teach them a lesson.

On March 26 2018 22:46 Palmar wrote:
and yes I'm very much fine with disfo, he's been active and just doesn't sound like mafia. I'm probably more inclined to tinfoil lynch mocsta than him.

But thanks to morons who can't be arsed to play the game we don't have the luxury of mislynching bad claimers to teach them a lesson.

On March 26 2018 22:50 Palmar wrote:

Sure, I thought he was mafia. I was wrong.

He just spoke with an authority that made me think he was a good player.

turns out he was just a bad player who gets stuck on the stupidest things.

And you know just as well as me that this part "claimed tracker who played." is complete fabrication. He never even claimed tracker afaik, he just said he was blue while trolling the thread and posting baby seals.

Are you telling me that somehow koshi prime the prince of belgium would have recognized "ah, this baby-seal-posting, trolling, blue-claiming asshole is clearly town".

Maybe with perfect information

give me a break

On March 26 2018 22:49 disformation wrote:
hm koshi what about:

On March 26 2018 22:55 Palmar wrote:


if you flip town friendo, game is over.

On March 26 2018 23:03 Palmar wrote:


There's more than just that.

You also have a very inconvenient claim and frankly you sound much less good than the other two claimers. Additionally while I kinda like this koshi who is a bit more chill, I've come to associate town koshi with zero tolerance wrath towards your chosen lynch targets, to the point where being targeted by you is simply unpleasant.

You're going to have to come up with more than just "I guess this guy is mafia".

On March 26 2018 23:01 Mocsta wrote:
wow koshi

that is so inspirational

im almost tempted to unvote you

##Unvote Koshi

On March 27 2018 03:29 Tictock wrote:
Going off my feels atm, scumteam is prob something like

Koshi/Moosy/Rayn/+1

On March 27 2018 03:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
honestly its mindboggling how anyone thought i was town last game and how anyone thinks i'm not town this game

On March 27 2018 03:59 Tictock wrote:


I really like all these initial voters on Koshi though.

On March 27 2018 13:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well anyways. i am doing the vayneauthority thing because no matter what i say will convince Mocsta or Tictock. Palmar is probably scum after all and i was initially wrong on him. I am only going to play for my own amusement which i have been doing since D1 after i got annoyed with Koshi.

There is no way to convince Mocsta because whoever disgrees with his reads is scum or "fuck you".
I don't even know what Tictock is saying right now, i have never sheeped Koshi, i have never sheeped Vivax, i have never even considered either of those things (except for disformation D1). Talking to him is like talking to a brick because apparently he's living in some la-la-land where things happened completely differently than they did in my game.

Unfortunately those two are town.

Other people are just useless or mafia.

On March 27 2018 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let me be clear i am not going to vote for Koshi here, if you guys wanna lynch him you can do it without me with all the other town people on him. Maybe you're right and i am wrong but i don't think i am and i am going to trust myself. So there is that.

On March 27 2018 16:13 Mocsta wrote:
I dont follow this.

Koshi claimed after being a wagon

If scum only have 2KP available, then, a mislynch is almost guaranteed to be GG (unless town have another means of KP block we dont know about)

On March 27 2018 16:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Like out of this pool

rayn/darth/Palmar/Fecalfeast/Tictock/Coagulation/Moosy

if we take out Coag (seal bullshit) and me it's

rayn/darth/Palmar/Fecalfeast/Tictock

So 3 mafia here and 1 in claims if it's true.

If I'm right the scum team would be darth/FF/Tictock.

Or rayn/Palmar are pulling the wool over my eyes. I'm entertaining a world where both are mafia at the moment especially because both are normally super concerned with setup notably Palmar all game but he seems willing to lynch into claims when it's statistically worse.

On March 27 2018 05:41 Tictock wrote:
Screw it, Palmar and Disinfo can be in the Town circle based on feels.

I need you guys to help me on FF, right now I kinda just going with the tone read I and Rsoul agreed with.

On March 27 2018 18:54 disformation wrote:
like i dunno man. maybe i'm just dumb (as i claimed pregame) and seeing shit cause i can't get over the setup.
but like wtf. 5 blues against 4 scum? like no idea what scum has, but it is super unlikely.
i'm town, I don't think mocsta is scum.

and if im dumb I am like in decent company.
vivi thought you were scum. rs thought you were scum. hf had you as "ok".

On March 27 2018 19:45 Palmar wrote:
This list of people on disfo ^^

I'm guessing 2-3 mafia, easy. Problem is that it's 100% that it's not 4 mafia on him, so that means at least 2 townies on disfo.

That means, no matter what happens, mafia controls the vote

soo....

On March 27 2018 19:56 darthfoley wrote:


So there is 0% chance Moosy is mafia?

On March 27 2018 20:02 darthfoley wrote:


Well Palmar says "2-3 mafia are on dis"

you say "then the other two are on me you idiot"

but moosy is off wagon. so you're basically 100% town reading him. It was a simple mathematical deduction that I wanted to clarify.

such a moronic question! And who said I never wanted to lynch Moosy? I just don't want to lynch him today

On March 27 2018 20:06 disformation wrote:
i'm utterly confused. did koshi just hammer himself?

On March 27 2018 23:50 disformation wrote:
like I guess if it wasn't lylo I would be cool with lynching someone outside of the blues and see what happens in the night.
but koshi has the weakest claim, the least fitting role setup wise and there also was a reason he had to claim...
so...

On March 27 2018 23:55 Palmar wrote:

hey am I town koshi?

I think you should call me town.

On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 28 2018 08:27 disformation wrote:

oh btw wtf was that d1 insta scum read about, still don't rly understand it xD

On March 28 2018 08:35 Palmar wrote:


I was perfectly nice to you aside from the killing you thing.