[M] Classic Mafia

On March 16 2018 10:15 disformation wrote:

agreed (though i only skimmed the medic game.)

no time to play till Monday.
so:
/replace

On March 19 2018 22:15 Half the Sky wrote:


Incidentally, I'm in the same boat. Good luck.

On March 20 2018 08:17 ExO_ wrote:


Is this joke or serious? if serious, can you give me some context?

On March 20 2018 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not true though.

On March 20 2018 11:55 n00bKing wrote:

This is a super-terrible reason to vote against someone.

It is only in Mafia's interest for a TOWN player to point it out. It's not really in Mafia's interest at all for Mafia to point it out. What is the Mafia motivation supposed to be, for making such an observation?

On March 20 2018 17:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare can you tell me what is your read on noobking and why?

On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:

"Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so.

"Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?"

On March 20 2018 17:42 n00bKing wrote:

For one, saying you're not a power role does not fall "under the guise of scum hunting." Meanwhile, if you don't think saying you aren't a role helps Mafia in ANY way, then you must be completely disagreeing with what Ticktock said here?

On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......

On March 20 2018 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also dont understand why someone refers to my Mocsta "point" because i never had one and clearly said so.

On March 20 2018 18:46 ExO_ wrote:


I posted as I read the thread. You ask why I made my first post, and then quote the post I made after it (as I read more). Long story short, when I open up your filter I didn’t notice your comment of “not true tho” is refering to the HF thing.

The point I was making was that Keisler looked like he was trying to claim you made a read on mocsta and was agreeing with it, rather than making a read on mocsta on his own.

On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game, especially if the pace keeps at the rate it is now. If I'm to vote on something I want a literal 1 post explanatory case that gives the reason someone is scum. The only exception is maybe day 1 voting complete shitters and afkers if we don't have a solid case by the end of the day.

On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:
So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts):

1) Exo claims hf is "not blue"
2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read)
3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant)

This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf:



In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else?

what am I missing?

On March 21 2018 00:41 Conversion wrote:
My last post was horribly written.

I still think n00bking is scum, but if I have to consolidate for the greater good of town disfo would be the only person I would be comfortable getting off of n00bking for.

On March 21 2018 01:41 Conversion wrote:
Right, and your post wasn't reeking of shit at all. Great posting there!

I'm off this thread as I'm in meetings until around 6PM EST. Toodles~

On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.

This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.

Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.

On March 21 2018 06:19 Vivax wrote:
I might fall asleep before deadline.

In the meantime I want to point out that both of noobkings current voters didn't really take my bait question. I was expecting an answer from a town player motivated to lynch him. And that to a post that reads rather townie to me.

On March 21 2018 06:19 Vivax wrote:
I might fall asleep before deadline.

In the meantime I want to point out that both of noobkings current voters didn't really take my bait question. I was expecting an answer from a town player motivated to lynch him. And that to a post that reads rather townie to me.

On March 21 2018 07:35 Palmar wrote:

Explain to me why the two people voting ksc are mafia

On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament

(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.

I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF

Rest is probably side distractions.

My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:

Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)

Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.

Apologies to leave it like this.

On March 21 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.

I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year.
Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile.

On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)

On March 21 2018 19:35 Holyflare wrote:


Wasn't I town in this game??

On March 21 2018 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
Is my filter even good to be town read?

On March 21 2018 05:43 darthfoley wrote:


Don't know what you're on about m8. Chester Campbell was but one of five blokes who said you were being angry and mean. Chester doesn't cry, he's a man's man.

Chester 'as 'ad quite a few original toughts. Not Chester's fault ye can't see what ye don't wish to see

On March 21 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote:

Hey, do you buy the Rels read on me? Am I just being butthurt?

On March 21 2018 22:31 disformation wrote:
randomly opened up darthfoley's filter. saw him being sassy. made me smile. town(ish) pile.

hm. I think I like df for town.

On March 21 2018 22:31 disformation wrote:
randomly opened up darthfoley's filter. saw him being sassy. made me smile. town(ish) pile.

On March 21 2018 22:38 disformation wrote:

i did my small town pile. Opened up page one of this thread to look at the filter/player list, saw his name and thought to myself that i couldnt really remember anything about him so I clicked on the link to his filter.

On March 21 2018 22:55 disformation wrote:
cmon, super easy to forget stuff like that in a 20 player game. -.-

On March 22 2018 00:45 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm
7 wines tonight
Really feeling it.

Great for unbiased pattern assessment
Go Ni for the win

So... im disapoointed no one but rayn gave feedback on palmat but hey watevz

I am going to go out ona limb here.
Im the #1 town read this game.
Of xourse this doesnt mean i am right. But at least means tou can trust me and my intent.

A few things in my hazy mind
1. I dont like hf but am not sure if its for scummy eeasons
2. Disinfo with really bad posta. Can completely lynx
4. Im certain rsoultin is town
5. Rels notes is cute but i think is scum. Could lynch over disfo. Too tryhard when under no pressure. Also nkt really canvassing for raoultin lhnch. Reads as fake content.
6. Vivax 16/4 makes some sense.
7. I like rayn this game as a person... this makes me somewhat uneasy lol. I wilk stixk with town. Im just tok uaed to him pissing me off.
8. I syill think n00bking is probable scum. Am goinf to keep vite here.

As long as top 2 wagons ate disfo and n00b i dont care whom is lynch

Good nifht

On March 22 2018 00:53 Mocsta wrote:
Hf
Tickle me br0
Or fuxk 0ff

On March 22 2018 03:59 Vivax wrote:
So if I pretend ExO can't get lynched today:

Koshi, KSc, rayn, HF, rsoultin are probs mafia. For postgame.

On March 22 2018 05:01 n00bKing wrote:

It was always super-strange that Vivax had his singleton vote on Exo instead of putting a 3rd vote on Kelsier, when he had designated Kelsier as "caught scum." Can you explain why a scum Vivax would rather see me lynched than Kelsier?

On March 22 2018 05:14 n00bKing wrote:

wat

No one else did "the exact same thing." I said the SPEED and accuracy was concerning. There definitely was not the same speed with someone like yourself or rsoul. It's like the first thing Alakaslam did, once he said he'd read his role PM.

Also, I find it funny that you accuse me of not reading the thread, and then, 2 pages later, you admit that you are actually not reading the thread.

On March 22 2018 05:19 Rels wrote:

same that for disfo. He will get resolved one way or the other.

On March 22 2018 07:04 Mocsta wrote:
Sup mofos

Slightly dry-mouth, slight headache which creates perfect conditions for catching up on the thread just before lynch ;P

OK.. i left last night on p53
Going to dive:
Sicklucker, Rels, Disfo, Palmar & n00bking

Final vote will go into there.

On March 22 2018 07:45 Mocsta wrote:

#1373

On March 22 2018 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
seeing rels vote mocsta makes me want to kill rells now mmmm

On March 21 2018 18:33 Mocsta wrote:
Heading out soon

N00b reads better past hour. Aside from awkward exchnage with ykl

I am fearful of lynch shenannies as i cant see any inkling of consensus and no default leadership. Lots of independents.


How about tjis new stone
Lwts talk palmar

Useful filter so far??

On March 22 2018 00:45 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm
7 wines tonight
Really feeling it.

Great for unbiased pattern assessment
Go Ni for the win

So... im disapoointed no one but rayn gave feedback on palmat but hey watevz

I am going to go out ona limb here.
Im the #1 town read this game.
Of xourse this doesnt mean i am right. But at least means tou can trust me and my intent.

A few things in my hazy mind
1. I dont like hf but am not sure if its for scummy eeasons
2. Disinfo with really bad posta. Can completely lynx
4. Im certain rsoultin is town
5. Rels notes is cute but i think is scum. Could lynch over disfo. Too tryhard when under no pressure. Also nkt really canvassing for raoultin lhnch. Reads as fake content.
6. Vivax 16/4 makes some sense.
7. I like rayn this game as a person... this makes me somewhat uneasy lol. I wilk stixk with town. Im just tok uaed to him pissing me off.
8. I syill think n00bking is probable scum. Am goinf to keep vite here.

As long as top 2 wagons ate disfo and n00b i dont care whom is lynch

Good nifht

On March 22 2018 01:21 Mocsta wrote:
I know my filter is too big and sorry but here is final thoufhts

Day1 scum jsut want an easy lycnh. Doesnt really matter who as long as town.

I give benefit of doubt to all that are active across multiple big topics. Not just relying on OMGUS for filter

Ppl focusing on trivial thing is ideal lynch.
Namez that coms to mind

Disfo, palmar, rels, n00b

Dint care whom is lynched id in thiz pool

Night

On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
Good post.
I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore.

On March 22 2018 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
Stop the propaganda Will
You are meant to be better than this.

On March 22 2018 07:57 Mocsta wrote:
And that makes me scummy because?

On March 22 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:
Im really struggling to understand how this game became so disjointed.

Quite a few ghost or throw away votes as well.
ykl, Ex0_, palmar, Koshi

---

HF
I still dont understand why you believe I am mafia.
What you point out to me seems to revolve around you being read independently?

I dont get it. Mafia can throw out good reads on town or scum. And town can throw out good reads on town or scum.
If I happen to agree with something you said; why should that automatically you town?

I really dont see any other argumentation being purported.

On March 22 2018 18:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
dart'hfoley claimed cop and i have explained my read on Moosy so you can go look it up in my filter. Not saying he's gonna do anything that helps town but he is still town.

On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:
are you gonna be difficult about this hf? Do you like my case? You should like my case...

On March 22 2018 22:18 Conversion wrote:
@HF the only thing that doesn’t make sense from scum!Mocsta os why he would look to change wagons so much when he had a real threat of being lynched. like tbh if he just went for easy wagons I would have gone on him

On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:

Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing.

On March 22 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:

False.

On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.

HF...I'm not feeling amazing about HF. I think he could believe his pushes on NK and then on mocsta. So there's that. His occasional sideways barbs at me are getting my hackles up, and it felt like he was more interested in shitfighting with mocsta than where the votes were falling.

On March 23 2018 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
My read on you is that you're underwhelming and did nothing to give more reasons to lynch rels at deadline. Your read on yourself is that you were emotional and didn't do much at deadline to figure out rels. So either you agree with me on yourself or you're needlessly niggling at me

On March 23 2018 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You, but when the votes were on df and everyone for some stupid reason left your wagon that was the best lynch. I don't even remember why i thought only one of you can be mafia but i don't really care about it today, we'll see if i have to tomorrow.

Updated list:
disformation
darthfoley
noobking
Exo_
Tictock
ykl

On March 23 2018 07:00 Tictock wrote:


Quoted this from Conv’s post at the top of pg86. Really odd to me that he calls himself a coinflip.

@Conv
Mocsta said his vote was to save himself, people voting for self-preservation is pretty NAI as it is good play for both alignments.

None of the rest of that post was interesting, I’ve never understood why some ppl put a big deal on not townreading people who share a read with you. Scum hop on town’s reads all the time and while sharing a read should be taken into consideration it is never a solid basis for a read.

On March 23 2018 07:08 Tictock wrote:


Have not read your case, but since when is changing ones mind a scummy thing to do?

Pretty sure that is much more likely to come from town.

I’m realizing that I am probably defending Mocsta more than I should, but I am starting to suspect HF is scum. The last time I saw him have a narrow and unwavering focus like this he was scum.

Noting this to remind myself to look into it later.

On March 23 2018 07:53 Mocsta wrote:

Lol.. will

even though this is for n00bking.. it really should be applied to me

considering you even quoted my mafia game... hmmm, so stubborn even when I worked with your issues.

this mule syndrome is not what I thought your town game represented to be fair.

On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:

If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.

When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.

Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.

Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.

On March 28 2018 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say it out loud, Holyflare is the best mafia player i know and in my mind pretty much noone comes even close.

On March 28 2018 21:25 Mocsta wrote:

Do you think you would have dropped ya read on me?