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On March 24 2018 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 10:04 Tictock wrote:On March 24 2018 08:15 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 01:03 Tictock wrote:On March 23 2018 18:36 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean? Kus I knew what time it was, and it saved me from fruitlessly responding to several of HF’s posts. There wouldn't be any risk of fruitlessly responding to a dead HF, if you just didn't post until you'd read. And being saved from fruitlessly responding to a dead HF didn't save you from fruitlessly making posts about the flips while having no context. eg "Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?" If you just read before you posted, you would have seen that mocsta had said he was vig-killing Exo. So, why would a TOWN player feel any need to post reactions to the flips, if he hadn't read the rest of the thread yet, and had no context to work with? I see absolutely no reason for a town player to do this. However, it is comparatively easier for me to pick out the scum motivation for trying to sound like you've not read the thread when you actually have. Lmao You think I’m scum pretending that I haven’t read the game? Actually this is one of the things i agree with him, not in your words but his. You are putting words to his mouth.
Where?
He literally just said in that post that it makes no sense for me as Town to stop reading to look at the flips, but that I as scum would pretend to still be reading when I have in fact caught up.
I play scum similar to you rayn, in that I really don’t lie expect for the obvious.
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On March 24 2018 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 10:28 Tictock wrote:
Also since I did not directly respond to your answer, I was well aware that you had voted Rels earlier and then swapped back to DF before returning to Rels. I was hoping to get better idea of why Rels was so scummy to you, but don’t think I really got that. - Rels called me town - Rels' reads were not nowhere in line with mine - Rels didn't ask me anything anytime - I didn't feel the need to address this because the first time i voted for him i was not sure if i even wanna lynch him and second time well.. there was not much time and i only swapped myu vote because i thought df claimed doc and i didn't want to lynch Mocsta or Conversion. Show nested quote +I also still find it an interesting inconsistency that you didn’t want to vote Conv because your scum reads were on him, but that never factored into your Rels vote. That is because i found Conversion townie and Rels not. Show nested quote +Oh and I still think it is spooky that you called Moosy town so early and so adimently. I also called Moosy mafia in last game obs QT probably like 12 hrs into the game. Do you find that spooky too? Idk, i can't answer you on that, i think he is town and that's it.
Thanks. I don't see those points on Rels being a very good scum read + Show Spoiler [IMO] + Rels's thinking you are town and not really asking you anything go hand in hand. He probably had a lot to read and if he thought you were town would probably put your posts on the back burner. Reads not being the same I can understand making you nervous.
I apparently wasn't aware you had become the Moosy whisperer. Seemed odd you could read him town based off a few initial spam posts (literally the first few posts in the game) followed by a bunch of "self-votes".
Regardless I'm getting the feeling that I was just going down the wrong path kus you are striking me as obv town right now.
In other news I am just now getting home, and after getting food I'll try and see where my head is at and then try and read those 30 pgs I missed D1. I'm not sure that is actually the best use of my time, but we'll see how I feel after food.
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On March 24 2018 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 10:30 Tictock wrote:On March 24 2018 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2018 09:44 Tictock wrote:On March 24 2018 08:05 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 23:19 Mocsta wrote:
I dont like saying this
But conv rage quit feels controlled i.e. fake More fake or less fake than Slam's, in your opinion? More fake or less fake than rayn's, in your opinion? Yay a non WoT to quote. Similar question to you as I posed to Moosy. You guys were scum together last game, what is your read of him this game. And if you try to give me some shit kus I didn’t repaond to something you asked me you will have to ask it again. I only skim some of your posts. What do you think of the above post by noobking? Why do you quote a post you actually say nothing about? Idk why but I felt like I needed to quote one of his posts to ask the question as seeing him posting made me want to ask. The post itself is completely useless as it can’t possibly go anywhere. So you don't feel like he is misrepresenting the situation at all? Like Conversion who modkilled himself and me and whoever else he was talking aabout all the same?
Considering the initial quote from Mocsta was prior to the modkill I was kinda assuming noob didn't know about that.
On March 24 2018 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont either know why would nayone ever make that post as town.
You talking about my reading the flips post?
Kus I explained exactly why.
How could a town resist getting that kind of info about the game even if they are still catching up?
If nothing else I guess you have to flip me to find the town who would do that. Makes no sense to me why I would continue reading when I could open a new tab, click the last pg in the game and see the daypost.
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On March 24 2018 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well if Rels disagrees with me he either tries to make me see his way or understand my way or call me mafia. Take that as you want, i am sorry i was wrong in the end here but i don't think he did anything, especially what i think he would have done as town towards me.
I am not Moosy whisperer. Unless i am. I have my meta on him and that's it i am trusting it until someone makes a slam dunk case on him.
I get you see things that way, but I feel like you are overlooking limited time factors. Also not having the same reads =/ disagreement unless the reads were wayy different.
Anyways this is a fairly moot topic, and food is calling.
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On March 24 2018 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:My problem is this: Show nested quote +Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
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Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Because in my world you are "pushing yourself" into wrong direction. And that's just not because of reads but also how you treat those two people here, Vivax is basically "i wanna sheep him", and HF is "maybe i can townread him now". That sounds unnatural as hell to me.
Yea I was toying with the idea of HF being scum, him flipping town means I could drop that.
I know he was still scum reading Mocsta and had started to scum read me (as well as had been scum reading NK during the day) but I wasn't as clear about who Vivax was scum reading.
It's not even "I wanna sheep Vivax" (when the hell have I ever sheeped anyone?) It was "I want check who Vivax thought was scum"
Notice how close that is to what I wrote in that post?
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Maybe stop trying to overread what I wrote, and just read what I actually said Rayn?
Kus now you are putting words in my mouth.
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On March 24 2018 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I can sheep a vote on noobking. But I'd prefer to carry out HF's last will and kill Tictock.
So you have no useful insight about NK here? Just I could lynch him or me?
@ Rayn
No, I have not. It should be pretty obviuse that I've spent most of my time this game just trying to get caught up as I am not sacrificing my RL for this game. I learned my lesson doing that a couple times last year.
This is why I find it so laughable that Noob suggests I am just pretending to catch-up when I've very clearly not read large chunks of this game.
I've seen his last will post quoted where he was apparently scum reading you, but that had no impact on my own sus on you. Really I think I started to wonder "why vivax over rayn" since HF getting killed indicates scum was not medic dodging, then recalled the Moosy thing, and that's what led me to check why you voted rels.
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Ok some general thoughts now that I've eaten and been caught up (mostly).
I'm liking Palmar more today. He's not leading town or pushing shit very hard, but I am finding myself in agreement with more of his posts. I am reminded of the PyP game from like 2 years ago where he survived almost to LyLo playing like this. So nostalgic-town-read I suppose? Idk I feel better keeping him around.
I like DF. I don't have a great reason to townread DF, but I like him. Out of respect for townreading rayn I should read at his points on DF, but rayn and I rarely see eye to eye.
I'm mostly ignoring the Slam and Coag situation at the moment, but am feeling nervous given the Conversion impending flip. Slam was at least a townlean D1, but Coag is shit teir, replacing a null slot that should have never signed up for the game, and is apparently our reward for asking if we could get 20 signups *Glares at DF*
Speaking of shit, FF is someone I need to reread. It's probably mostly OMGUS but he feels too happy to be riding along in this game.
I'm actually gunna do a thing and point out the Koshi post that bugged me.
On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?
As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all. This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming. Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.
Randomly hiding behind my read on Conv.
But I did say I'm not lynching him today.
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I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.
So this is my current scum pool.
KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast
Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.
I'm still super on board a NK lynch.
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Yea just glancing through a bit of KSC's filter.
On March 22 2018 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:
why are we acting like fucking retards all of a sudden and going oprah on our votes.
df, moosy , dis if you dont believe the claim are the only real choices.
I don't understand the mocsta voting at all.
On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote:
voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote.
Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster.
Pretty big change in stance on Mocsta, with not many posts happening between.
And Conversion too?
On March 22 2018 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:
or they were worried about df being lynched...
this conversion wagon is really fucking bad lol
On March 22 2018 07:43 KelsierSC wrote:
i dont want like 3 wagons competing with conversions wagon
keep it clean
vote df or conversion of give a real fucking good reason why you are wasting your vote.
Honestly all I read here was pg 5 of KSC's filter and I feel like the dude never gave a shit about how EoD went. Only consistent scumread is DF, but mostly what he was doing was just shouting at everyone and calling them bad, while flip slopping his own reads all over the place.
Solid lynch right here.
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On March 24 2018 12:12 Alakaslam wrote:
As per Holyflare, I will look into Palmar and vote Ticktock.
I will probably forever call you scum this game this game if you actually read the game and leave your vote on me.
Fair warning.
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On March 24 2018 12:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 12:03 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty null of Dis and Moosy right now.
So this is my current scum pool.
KelsierSC
ykl
n00bking
Fecalfeast
Though tbf I need to re-read KSC, same as a few people have mentioned I just haven't seen anything from him and legit forgot he was in the game for a bit.
I'm still super on board a NK lynch. Why YKL? He is pretty new, have you factored that in? I saw him as scummy earlier. I do not remember why. But I retracted it when I filtered him.
His latest posts have all been really passive.
Like here is his last 2 posts.
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Ok yeah, I'm finally back. Kinda got stuck with some RL stuff last 2 days. Just kinda quickly read up the last few pages.
Quick reply to n00bking firstly:
I was kind of hesitating on the first day vote, that was quite terrible and came about since I woke up at 6am trying to do a last minute decision before the deadline at 7am my time. Probably not the best of ideas. I made a snap judgement between the front runners and it was pretty much that. I'm also not too sure where you're reading fear from tbh, I've been nothing but very open and the fear/dodging that you want to attribute to me was more lack of time just having to keep up with the thread.
And also: "instead" of putting your vote on me.
So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.
Can anyone point out which page was the start of the rels push, I want reread what the heck happened there since I was slightly sleep dazed and reading off a tablet.
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track What would lead you to this assumption? Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion. Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.
Nothing comes from his list of people to look into, but has this weird "tell me what to do" line directed at noobking in the 2n'd post. Still no follow up.
I pointed out the 2n'd post earlier.
On March 24 2018 05:33 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track What would lead you to this assumption? Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion. Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration. Noting this post, especially if there is nothing else from y’all after this. This first bit is fine, but I don’t like him calling himself stupid. Feels like he is downplaying his own impact on the game. Sorta a “don’t expect much from me” thing. Jumping from “they were killed because they were right” into “killed kus they were wrong to sow confusion” feels off too. The next best explanation should simply be because they were well townread and not easy mid lynched. The last bit is what really bugs me though, and why I’ll be keeping an eye out for follow up posts from ykl. Waaaayyyyy too passive and is basically asking to be given something to talk about. I can understand being overwhelmed as Town and not knowing where to start, but this feels more like overwhelmed mafia not having a clue what to post.
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On March 24 2018 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 23:27 Palmar wrote:
To be fair, when you can be meta'd on your ragequits, maybe it's time to chill out a bit. ... + Show Spoiler +I don’t know whether this is about me or Conversion
This one was about conversion. 100%
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Getting sleepy so just going over FF's filter a bit as well before bed.
Early Reads w/explanation
On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working.
Towny
Palmar
Rso
Hf
Didform
Not towny
Kelsier
Noobking
Moose
Back to work ask me why if you must
Then these are pretty bleh,
On March 22 2018 01:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
So we believe mocstas vig claim right? Ive had him as scummy in my brain but that d1 claim though
On March 22 2018 01:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well then i scumread mocsta and am pocketed by hf.
Why is disfo more scum than nk, sheepdog hf?
FF gives more convoluted shit on Mocsta, but keeps saying he will sheep HF.
On March 22 2018 01:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
So mocsta says he's staying on noobking, sees that I'm voting noobking so changes his vote to rels and says I'm getting vigged but doesn't include me in his lynch list?
On March 22 2018 01:30 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 01:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
So mocsta says he's staying on noobking, sees that I'm voting noobking so changes his vote to rels and says I'm getting vigged but doesn't include me in his lynch list?
Also he says mafia is looking for any town lynch, implies I'm scum by not voting with me which means I'm looking for easy town lynch on noobking but still keeps noobking in his lynch list
This is a weird flip on Vivax who I haven't seen in FF's filter before.
On March 22 2018 04:05 Fecalfeast wrote: that would mean my usually pretty accurate early gut reads are wrong though vivax That would make me sad
On March 22 2018 06:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
This is my only break til deadline and i have no idea what's going on... can we lynch vivax On March 22 2018 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think vivax and hf are town and its hard to decide who to sheep
Overall was super active at EoD but just adding in confusion. Biggest thing that stood out to me was the sudden scumread and the convoluted bit about Mocsta's voting. Then the odd back and forth on Vivax.
Skimming stuff since then a bit faster...
On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best
Since I had to look it up, Koshi put FF as a scum read, which is basically a Scummy coinflip.
On March 23 2018 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
So if nobody claims vivax as a vig shot I'm going to assume he was correct about a player most everyone else is townreading
Weird post. I missed Mocsta's EoN claim but still assumed Exo was the obv Vig shot.
On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?
I want to lynch rso
Left field switch. FF started off the day sheeping HF and voting me.
On March 24 2018 02:51 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 02:48 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 24 2018 02:38 disformation wrote:On March 24 2018 02:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Deadline is tomorrow right?
I want to lynch rso yes. why? Seems mafia to me Alternatively I'll sheep onto noobking
In some ways there is a bunch of stuff here that looks like typical shit teir FF, but there is basically no shits given from him at all. How active he got at EoD but mostly just stirring things up and constantly deferring responsibility doesn't feel right for a town!FF sheeping a strong townread.
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idk, that FF read is prob a touch biased
I didn't see much in his filter that jumped at me as towny though
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On March 24 2018 16:54 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading. Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town? I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk? Yes. Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it? ...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post. And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post.
Geez, we are still on this.
I think I slightly misunderstood why you guys found this scummy but my response is the same. I responded to the flips they same way that I do do to any post I feel like responding too.
If you are so sure this makes me scum you should prob be casing me.
This cannot possibly be the most alignment indicative thing you can find on me though.
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I actually like the effort from noob at the end of pg 120.
Couple of pretty solid posts.
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On March 24 2018 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier
ykl
FF
Basically have to contain at least one mafia however i look at this. Unless of course the two people i don't talk about are scum.
Probably the first time I have seen me and you have literally the same scum pool.
Still kind of want to lynch NK though, his effort really only came now that he is looking like he will be lynched today. Also odd to me that he seems to still think I am scum but hasn’t really expanded past the one point and instead seems to be looking into other people again.
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On March 24 2018 23:35 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 21:53 disformation wrote:
@nk:
why do you say ticktock would be an excellent lynch, besides the nk post thingie?
sry if I should have missed, feel free to quote the right post in that case Don't really have time to address this, and the other things I'm about to. Ask me about it again later, if a Tictock lynch looks or feels more achievable than whatever one I seem to be wanting at the time.
Yea sure, don’t give a shit about me now that I’m not the flavor of the moment.
Really hate the bolded line as well. Should not even have to explain why.
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On March 24 2018 23:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:I can't tell anything about ykl's filter. Ykl content might be minimal But tone is very consistent even following longer post intervals. Like if you arent super invested as a new player.. a 120p game is not going to entice more activity. I would never lynch ykl or kelsier over a ff
Tbh I feel slightly better about lynching ykl of KSC right now than FF. But it’s a pretty minor difference, and to be fair I didn’t go through too much of KSC’s filter nor do I have prior experience playing with him (at least a nothing I remember).
A FF lynch does have the benefit of getting rid of a difficult to read player who will never produce much content. There is some hope that ykl and KSC will step up, or just return in general.
FF’s sudden scumread on Mocsta and convoluted voting stuff about him felt off too. Just opportunistic stuff when he was still mostly deferring saying he was sheeping HF.
About to head home, am planning to go for a walk since it is a beautiful day, but I will be around for EoD.
Still feel ok lynching noob, though he finally put out some real content that felt ok, I really hated that post about me. And this palmar push feels more like he knows he needs to change gears and just has his sights on Palmar now than a real read.
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