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On March 25 2018 06:16 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 04:30 rsoultin wrote:
NK mentioned there not being much direction but never what that actually meant in terms of moosy's alignment, which i find interesting I said I am not interested in lynching him today. Can't see why I would say more, when he is not a critical topic for discussion atm.
Obviously it would be so that I could get a better read on you, NK. Given you're up for lynch, that seems like a reasonable ask.
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On March 25 2018 02:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 00:10 disformation wrote:On March 24 2018 23:57 Mocsta wrote:On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote:
i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache.
might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff. Not lazy at all Keep making dem good reads You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested  in-vested. indeed. :p ##Unvote
##Vote: disformationinstavote for shitty pun
On March 25 2018 02:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of agree with rayn. I think noobking is scum here but I want to see other players' alignments first like darth.
I guarantee if darth flips scum, then ykl is scum as well
I’m really hating Moosy’s Play today. Feels like he is only touching the game with a 10 door pole and is super all over the place.
Really have no idea where his head is at.
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On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this: Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.) Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point.
Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and
I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet).
On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you.
Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol
I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time."
And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to.
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On March 25 2018 05:53 Tictock wrote:
Still feel ok lynching noob, though he finally put out some real content that felt ok, I really hated that post about me. And this palmar push feels more like he knows he needs to change gears and just has his sights on Palmar now than a real read.
If that doesn't feel like a real read, then I guess you haven't ever seen one.
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On March 25 2018 06:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Coag seal is no leg work
I know about it and rven 5 years ago it was before my time.
Palmar has record here for playing at least one game a year since tl mafai inceptiin
Nice attempt n00b. I give credit there but ultimately it was a n00b effort. I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious. It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway. That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be. See this is what I mean about noob. Can’t be bothered to give even an inkling as yo what his read on me is, but continues to hammer this single point about Palmar without anything new. It’s also cute how he’s said Coag’s seal is legit but is indirectly suggesting “maybe this is the game he breaks the seal”
Every game can be the one where he breaks the seal, until it happens. That's the payoff from keeping it going for so long.
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On March 25 2018 06:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 00:03 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 23:13 Mocsta wrote:Stay the course. N00b is lynch today. On March 24 2018 23:15 Mocsta wrote:
Like im too lazy to play this cycle so trying not to add waste to my filter
You won't make up for killing a Town player with a botched vig shot by killing another one with a botched Day 2 lynch. Do better. Help us find a flaw in the arguments against Palmar, if there are any. Help us determine FF's alignment, if there's a way to do that. This Phase isn't do or die, but this Phase matters. And if you're Town, your vote is in the wrong place. Weird that you both believe Mocsta is the Vig but end this posy with “if you are Town”
That couldn't be less weird.
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On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this: On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.) Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point. Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet). Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you. Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time." And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to.
I'll concede that it could be an explanation. But if your purpose was only to put pressure on him to see what he did, yet your problem with him was a post that you couldn't see coming from town...you see how that doesn't compute?
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On March 25 2018 04:12 rsoultin wrote:
Noob still hasn't answered my questions -_-
I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!)
I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal.
That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.)
Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast.
Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway.
Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice.
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Also am fully aware people can do more than one thing at a time.
The problem with your vote is
1) it seemed to come out of nowhere
2) your explanation for it came well after the fact
3) it was on your only counterwagon while you only seemed interested in discussing other things
You can claim what you want. And it may even be true. But surely you can see how it might look to others like you go, oh, he's my counterwagon. I should vote him. *8 hours later* Oh, yeah, this is my reason. Didn't have one before but now I do. <- This is where I'm sitting right now.
And your moosy read interests me because I say, hey, if moosy isn't going in a direction that's his scum meta (in other words, but I trust your reading comprehension enough based on experience to think you understood that) and you respond with 'I think you'll be disappointed'. Now, what does that mean, and why is there some great need for secrecy regarding your opinion on his alignment?
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On March 25 2018 02:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of agree with rayn. I think noobking is scum here but I want to see other players' alignments first like darth.
I guarantee if darth flips scum, then ykl is scum as well
What do I have to do with ykl? You've been randomly associating people all game, including me and rsoultin etc.
But you never really push me as a viable lynch option. Laziness or?
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On March 25 2018 06:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this: On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.) Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point. Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet). On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you. Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time." And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to. I'll concede that it could be an explanation. But if your purpose was only to put pressure on him to see what he did, yet your problem with him was a post that you couldn't see coming from town...you see how that doesn't compute?
It wasn't a post that CAN'T come from Town. It's a post that SHOULDN'T come from Town, because there isn't ANY reason for a Town player to make it.
Can I envision Tictock doing something he shouldn't, without any reason for it? Yes, that doesn't feel completely out of his wheelhouse, based on my prior experience with him.
It's a scum indicator, but it's not conclusive evidence, so I put my vote on him for added pressure, to see what he would say and do next, while there was already some traction on him (2 votes there before I added the 3rd, and no one else having more than 1 vote). And I didn't list which posts specifically irked me or why until later, so that I could watch and see which (if any) other players would make similar observations.
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Tina
Did nk ever get back to u on ?slam?
Thete was sometjing he suggssted you remind him of?
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On March 25 2018 06:55 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this: On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.) Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point. Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet). On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you. Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time." And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to. I'll concede that it could be an explanation. But if your purpose was only to put pressure on him to see what he did, yet your problem with him was a post that you couldn't see coming from town...you see how that doesn't compute? It wasn't a post that CAN'T come from Town. It's a post that SHOULDN'T come from Town, because there isn't ANY reason for a Town player to make it. Can I envision Tictock doing something he shouldn't, without any reason for it? Yes, that doesn't feel completely out of his wheelhouse, based on my prior experience with him. It's a scum indicator, but it's not conclusive evidence, so I put my vote on him for added pressure, to see what he would say and do next, while there was already some traction on him (2 votes there before I added the 3rd, and no one else having more than 1 vote). And I didn't list which posts specifically irked me or why until later, so that I could watch and see which (if any) other players would make similar observations. and what did the obsetvations uncover?
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On March 25 2018 06:51 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 04:12 rsoultin wrote:
Noob still hasn't answered my questions -_- I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!) I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal. That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.) Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast. Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway. Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice.
You are doing something really wonky here with your timing. First you 'don't have time to complete the analysis', then HF and Vivax 'make you feel better about TT', but you voted him 'despite' those results? How can you vote someone despite something that you hadn't looked into yet?
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On March 25 2018 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
Also am fully aware people can do more than one thing at a time.
The problem with your vote is
1) it seemed to come out of nowhere
2) your explanation for it came well after the fact
3) it was on your only counterwagon while you only seemed interested in discussing other things
#1 - Good. The more it looked that way, the better.
#2 - Good. Already explained.
#3 - FALSE. There could be no such thing as a "counterwagon" to me at the time I placed the vote. I had zero votes cast against me, and had no reason to suspect I might BE a wagon on Day 2.
On March 25 2018 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
why is there some great need for secrecy regarding your opinion on [Moosy's] alignment?
Because I don't suffer from the same "diarrhea of the mouth" problem as so many other players here. I don't make the mistake of throwing around information about which surviving players I have "slightly above null" vs. which ones are "townleans" vs. which ones are hard "townreads." I'm not interested in lynching him on Day 2. 'nuff said.
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On March 25 2018 06:58 Mocsta wrote:
Tina
Did nk ever get back to u on ?slam?
Thete was sometjing he suggssted you remind him of?
??
If you're referring to the question that I asked slam regarding NK, NK said he had points that he'd bring up after Slam answered. Slam hasn't.
Or are you referring to something else?
Also, please see my question for you regarding your association dichotomies. Were those based primarily on the Rels wagon?
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On March 25 2018 06:58 Mocsta wrote:
Tina
Did nk ever get back to u on ?slam?
Thete was sometjing he suggssted you remind him of?
I'm supposed to answer after Slam does. If I forget to answer after Slam does, she's supposed to remind me.
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On March 25 2018 07:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:55 n00bKing wrote:On March 25 2018 06:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this: On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.) Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point. Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet). On March 25 2018 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you. Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time." And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to. I'll concede that it could be an explanation. But if your purpose was only to put pressure on him to see what he did, yet your problem with him was a post that you couldn't see coming from town...you see how that doesn't compute? It wasn't a post that CAN'T come from Town. It's a post that SHOULDN'T come from Town, because there isn't ANY reason for a Town player to make it. Can I envision Tictock doing something he shouldn't, without any reason for it? Yes, that doesn't feel completely out of his wheelhouse, based on my prior experience with him. It's a scum indicator, but it's not conclusive evidence, so I put my vote on him for added pressure, to see what he would say and do next, while there was already some traction on him (2 votes there before I added the 3rd, and no one else having more than 1 vote). And I didn't list which posts specifically irked me or why until later, so that I could watch and see which (if any) other players would make similar observations. and what did the obsetvations uncover?
That I'm happier lynching Palmar instead. Would certainly also be willing to put a rope on the neck of ykl or FF, if it'll save my own.
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On March 25 2018 07:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
Also am fully aware people can do more than one thing at a time.
The problem with your vote is
1) it seemed to come out of nowhere
2) your explanation for it came well after the fact
3) it was on your only counterwagon while you only seemed interested in discussing other things #1 - Good. The more it looked that way, the better. #2 - Good. Already explained. #3 - FALSE. There could be no such thing as a "counterwagon" to me at the time I placed the vote. I had zero votes cast against me, and had no reason to suspect I might BE a wagon on Day 2. Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:54 rsoultin wrote:
why is there some great need for secrecy regarding your opinion on [Moosy's] alignment? Because I don't suffer from the same "diarrhea of the mouth" problem as so many other players here. I don't make the mistake of throwing around information about which surviving players I have "slightly above null" vs. which ones are "townleans" vs. which ones are hard "townreads." I'm not interested in lynching him on Day 2. 'nuff said.
I'm gonna be frank with you. The last player who made this assertion was scum by a mile. And the scum motivation for keeping reads close to the chest, especially during the day phase, is also blindingly obvious. If you've stated this mindset of yours before, I suggest you link the game/post to me, because I've got less than an hour to poke into that and I can't guarantee I'd find it.
Also, fair regarding the vote @.@ I'm a numbnuts.
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On March 25 2018 07:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 06:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 25 2018 04:12 rsoultin wrote:
Noob still hasn't answered my questions -_- I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!) I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal. That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.) Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast. Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway. Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice. You are doing something really wonky here with your timing. First you 'don't have time to complete the analysis', then HF and Vivax 'make you feel better about TT', but you voted him 'despite' those results? How can you vote someone despite something that you hadn't looked into yet?
Sure, I could have worded that better. I have initial impressions of what the nightkills will mean about some other players. Gut-based, instinct stuff, before I check. Sixth sense told me the nightkills were going to look good for Tictock, I voted for him "despite" that. After the analysis I did confirmed what sixth sense told me, I kept my vote on him for a while longer "despite" that. (Again, which kills Tictock would like may not matter, if there were an overbearing personality on the team with him controlling decisions.) I completed enough of the analysis to draw other conclusions from the nightkills (as listed above), but did not complete the process entirely.
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