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On March 24 2018 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Coag seal is no leg work
I know about it and rven 5 years ago it was before my time.
Palmar has record here for playing at least one game a year since tl mafai inceptiin
Nice attempt n00b. I give credit there but ultimately it was a n00b effort.
I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious.
It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway.
That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be.
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On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote:
i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache.
might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff.
Not lazy at all
Keep making dem good reads
You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested 
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On March 24 2018 23:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote:
I'm at a teacher training shit all day today and I won't have time until maybe maybe deadline on mobile.
I can understand why people are scumreading me. I've been underwhelming and passive, but that frankly because I'm busy as hell and I've played a lot of consecutive mafia games. Im burned out and Im definitely going to obs next game.
@rayn I couldn't find a post but I think it may have been Mocsta who made that read on us. Idk cba to read 20 filters
If you feel the need to lynch me, oh well I guess. I won't be able to give you much until night. Im certain it was me too I havent read any of ya arguments in detail cos skims as petty. Thats already an alarm bell. Exo / kelsier felt emotional hence tvt Btw. Nice delurk on queue as well. Im very impressed. Do you use an alert app?
No I just check on mobile and respond when I feel like it. And I don't feel like it most of the time.
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On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Coag seal is no leg work
I know about it and rven 5 years ago it was before my time.
Palmar has record here for playing at least one game a year since tl mafai inceptiin
Nice attempt n00b. I give credit there but ultimately it was a n00b effort. I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious. It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway. That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be. i find you too blinkered.
You are palmar scum read
Why cant he be motivated to disprove you
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On March 24 2018 23:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:52 Mocsta wrote:On March 24 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote:
I'm at a teacher training shit all day today and I won't have time until maybe maybe deadline on mobile.
I can understand why people are scumreading me. I've been underwhelming and passive, but that frankly because I'm busy as hell and I've played a lot of consecutive mafia games. Im burned out and Im definitely going to obs next game.
@rayn I couldn't find a post but I think it may have been Mocsta who made that read on us. Idk cba to read 20 filters
If you feel the need to lynch me, oh well I guess. I won't be able to give you much until night. Im certain it was me too I havent read any of ya arguments in detail cos skims as petty. Thats already an alarm bell. Exo / kelsier felt emotional hence tvt Btw. Nice delurk on queue as well. Im very impressed. Do you use an alert app? No I just check on mobile and respond when I feel like it. And I don't feel like it most of the time. why arent you voting yet. If no access till near deadline?
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My bad df
You did vote
On that note. Good night
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On March 24 2018 23:13 Mocsta wrote:Stay the course. N00b is lynch today.
On March 24 2018 23:15 Mocsta wrote:
Like im too lazy to play this cycle so trying not to add waste to my filter
You won't make up for killing a Town player with a botched vig shot by killing another one with a botched Day 2 lynch. Do better.
Help us find a flaw in the arguments against Palmar, if there are any. Help us determine FF's alignment, if there's a way to do that. This Phase isn't do or die, but this Phase matters.
And if you're Town, your vote is in the wrong place.
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On March 24 2018 23:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:On March 24 2018 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Coag seal is no leg work
I know about it and rven 5 years ago it was before my time.
Palmar has record here for playing at least one game a year since tl mafai inceptiin
Nice attempt n00b. I give credit there but ultimately it was a n00b effort. I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious. It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway. That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be. i find you too blinkered. You are palmar scum read Why cant he be motivated to disprove you
Disprove me about what? All his legwork about the town seal was before I ever investigated it (or Coag's meta) myself.
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On March 24 2018 23:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:51 darthfoley wrote:
But if you're going to call me scummy, you need to believe that this is my scum meta. It isn't. It's just my 20 player, burned out and not having much fun meta. And I happen to be town But itz been like this from day1 When i reread first 30pages You were much more underwhelminf than i had remembered This is nothinf to do with roleplay
That's fine I guess. I don't disagree that my motivation is low. But it doesn't make me scum. I'm just committing to my day 1 reads because I haven't had much motivation or time to read 70 pages critically enough to feel comfortable changing reads over anything besides "vibes" or "tone"
Plus waking up every day with 15-20 pages to read sucks
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On March 24 2018 23:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote:
i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache.
might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff. Not lazy at all Keep making dem good reads You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested
in-vested. indeed. :p
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On March 25 2018 00:10 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2018 23:57 Mocsta wrote:On March 24 2018 23:54 disformation wrote:
i'm going to be a lazy cunt and call rs town for keeping to post after saying shell take a nap and has a headache.
might be biased, as I am getting tested for migraine stuff. Not lazy at all Keep making dem good reads You will probably be at lylo so good to know you are invested in-vested. indeed. :p
##Unvote
##Vote: disformation
instavote for shitty pun
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I kind of agree with rayn. I think noobking is scum here but I want to see other players' alignments first like darth.
I guarantee if darth flips scum, then ykl is scum as well
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I am sorry i won't probably have time to play properly towards eod. I don't really want to lynch noobking and i think definitely not tictock for what i said earlier.
##vote Fecalfeast
I am not completely opposed to noobking lynch, and can switch to either darthfoley or disformation but it seems like the latter two aren't getting lynched no matter what i say. I try to check in still closer to deadline but i can't promise anything.
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On March 24 2018 05:50 rsoultin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +\o/ Slam!
Town
Mocsta
Coagulation
raynpelikoneet - tone
Very Likely Town
disformation - level of involvedness
Palmar - could be wrong for a number of reasons, but I like what he's posted since N1
Koshi - think he could emulate this level of play as mafia, however his beginning of D2 gives me good feels. he could have just let the cats quarrel and that would have been perfect for scum
Slam - tone from his last catch-up on D1
Computer says town but want to reread
Moosy - my impression of his scum play was he fell off hard later in the game while still posting periodically. i'm not getting that impression here, but need to double-check to make sure his posts are leading somewhere Needs review darthfoley - tonally i'm finding him more townish since EoD1/N1. need to really look into the arguments and discuss with rayn ksc - felt he was town early D1 and never really gave him a hard look. even the read through I didn't get too far in. could be wrong here tt- seem to remember he made okayish posts, but i'm having trouble placing him in this game. not a good sign Fuck if I know ykl - liked his early tone. could be overwhelmed as town. could be floating under the radar, though FF - a bit more on the scummy side of null. says i'm scum but he'll sheep onto the wagon that i'm voting on Very likely scum N00b - would rather argue about how valuable he is to town than try to be valuable to town Flipping anyway Conversion
I'm going to focus on the bottom 7 tomorrow (excluding conv of course), and I'll also discuss any townreads that others want lynched. Probably be on around noonish CET? Maybe a little earlier
Noob still hasn't answered my questions -_- I liked the thought process behind the Palmar poke (even if Rayn didn't) specifically regarding how he treated disinfo. Really waffly on this guy. On the one hand, he's adjusted his behavior. Less fighting over wording. Less fighting when we say, blah, this argument isn't important. That's a point to his favor. But just the fact that he hadn't bothered to look at what the flips meant and he hasn't contested that he uses that info to get his reads and that's why he feels D1 is a crapshoot, doesn't sit too easily with me. But given I have stronger reasons to townread a lot of people in this game, waffly isn't good enough to remove him from the lynch pool.
Okay, so I've read entirely through DF and TT's filters, and I'm not feeling a lynch on either. Both have that organic responsiveness that I really like (and that I know for a fact makes for a town DF because that's how I read him last game). From my experience, it's just difficult to be that reactive to all the different shinies as scum because you're not actually trying to figure out alignments.
Which means I'll be removing them and KSC from today's lynch pool.
Which also means if conversion is town (and he likely is but a girl can hope), even if the other three are all scum, I have to be wrong somewhere.
Mocsta, rayn and coag I can be pretty confident of. Disinfo has been super involved. Maybe not as organic as TT for example, but I can't see myself lynching him.
I agree with rayn's point on Palmar. I don't think it makes him lock town, per se, but I think it's enough to leave him be until after weekend.
I think I need to bump koshi down, if not into the 'could lynch today' list, at least into the 'i think that he could definitely play at this level as scum'. There was a shinyness that made me pretty confident he was town last game, and it's not something I can put my finger on, but even though the activity level doesn't seem much different, I'm not as certain on him. It's more of a 'he's okay' than a confident 'he's probably town'.
I'm gonna stick with my toneread on slam for now. I think his posting as he pops into thread will clarify my thoughts on him. I also think scum flips could be super informative. My hesitation on calling him town is I can see a couple associations that make me less confident.
So that just leaves a moosy dive. Which I completely forgot to do @.@
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lol yeah >< that's just a lot of association reads
if this, then this, or if not, then that. NK mentioned there not being much direction but never what that actually meant in terms of moosy's alignment, which i find interesting
that said, my first thought is it feels townish in moosy's odd way
am i right to say your if/then analysis is basically coming from the rels wagon + ykl, Moosy?
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Canada11355 Posts
oh hey people are talking about me here we go
I like when people talk about me
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1 vote, that's it?
who cares let's get a wagon going
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On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock
This seemingly comes from nowhere. He was arguing with TT beforehand, but the only read he actually made on him that I could find before this point was this:
On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
of course, there's more mafia in the game even if I'm right on slam (and I think I probably am) I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game. I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah." Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause. However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D (In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)
Not much reasoning, but he was clearly fine with TT at that point.
@NK...what made TT a 'reasonable' lynch? Your post about his D2 entrance came like 8 hours later, so doesn't feel like an explanation for this comment from you.
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On March 23 2018 08:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
I honestly don't think I'll be trying too hard so if i have to die to solve the game go for it.
Also i guess it does make sense that mocsta should be called town for now. I'll switch to ticktok
I don't understand how you go from this to saying I'm scum because it feels like I'm scum and then saying you'll sheep onto noobking. Shouldn't you, in your world, be more convinced that you should be voting TT at that point?
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On March 25 2018 04:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
I honestly don't think I'll be trying too hard so if i have to die to solve the game go for it.
Also i guess it does make sense that mocsta should be called town for now. I'll switch to ticktok I don't understand how you go from this to saying I'm scum because it feels like I'm scum and then saying you'll sheep onto noobking. Shouldn't you, in your world, be more convinced that you should be voting TT at that point?
I am voting TT
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