[M][N] Medic Mafia

On March 06 2018 08:15 Damdred wrote:
I don't know if you believe me or not Moosy, but I have missed your particular brand of chaos in threads. (really welcome back)

How do you guys think we should play this game?

On March 06 2018 08:34 Damdred wrote:
Welcome town Fecalfeast, and maybe so moosydoosy. But do you think we should have a secondary vote and force the medics to act as a vig shot every night for our second kill?

On March 06 2018 08:51 n00bKing wrote:

Yeah, if you're coordinating a medic kill on any given night, I think all the medics have to use the same target. This not only renders the Mafia medic useless, but it also renders the Mafia roleblocker useless. They basically just have 3 vanilla bad guys.

Coordinating things so that 2 medics kill a guy and one tries to prevent the mafia kill not only opens you up to disruption by the roleblocker, but I also don't see a way to get the medics on the same page (about which 2 are killing a guy and which 1 is trying to make a save) without telling the Mafia who they are. So you can't do anything but "all 3 on the same target" unless you execute a mass claim. Having never played under this set of rules (or one like it) I don't know if the mass claim is good or bad. I'll have to read the pre-game discussion again.

One thing I DO remember from pre-game discussion is the idea that this ruleset favors us pretty heavily, and that the Mafia will have to play extremely well to win. Is there a "far and away" best Scum player that we can lynch, to make sure that won't happen? :D

On March 06 2018 08:59 n00bKing wrote:

Hmm, okay. If he were Scum and decided that the mass claim favors the Mafia, would he be bold enough to immediately fake-claim Medic, and try to force the Town into a disadvantageous mass claim? Or would that be "too obvious" of a scum play?

On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:



You posted while I was posting, can you tell me why?

On March 06 2018 20:50 AMG wrote:


You think me making excuses to scum read people. What people? I have implied one person was scum and did not like their follow up. One person.

So you find my opinion on or attempt at discussion with Tubesock to be forced, or I don't believe what i'm saying when i'm saying it?

On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.

AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"

Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense.

On March 07 2018 05:30 rsoultin wrote:


You can try, bby.

On March 07 2018 05:33 n00bKing wrote:

You mf'ers are not lynching rsoul while there's 3 people who haven't even posted yet, and while Tubesock's thread activity went like this:

Tubesock: *post, post, post, post*
n00b: *votes against Tubesock*
Tubesock: *POOF*

On March 08 2018 03:31 Holyflare wrote:
good posts guys

On March 08 2018 04:23 Vivax wrote:
FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out?

For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion.

His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you?

On March 08 2018 04:30 n00bKing wrote:

Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be.

Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny.

Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon.

On March 08 2018 07:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

uhhh wats a guardian

On March 07 2018 13:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think tubesock is town

On March 09 2018 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Still healing df.

On March 09 2018 11:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Fecalfeast hey buddy who do you want to lynch this day phase?

On March 08 2018 17:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Only to sleep I work tomorrow holy shit that was a wait now I will be all antsy at work and no one will know why

On March 10 2018 02:13 Vivax wrote:
medic then

On March 10 2018 04:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
would mafia fake claim here tho? probably yea right

On March 10 2018 04:46 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Noobking

I think I'd still lynch Kelsier first but this might make noob post.

On March 10 2018 06:03 darthfoley wrote:


are you ever going to do anything?

On March 10 2018 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Ok so kelsier free mafia nk but boobkong best lynch

On March 10 2018 09:31 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, last post before bed, I'm a dumbbell. It would be more interesting to see how scum plays around the medic pool. We should probably focus on non-medic claims first in general.

On March 11 2018 04:21 Vivax wrote:
Why not FF.

He can switch metas. I've seen him play scum with clean posts and with lazy posts.

No way to tell how much of what he says is true if he keeps it at a minimum like this game and seemingly doesn't take it seriously.

There is no world where I don't lynch him unless he tries to be more analytical in his posts and has the potential to screw up somewhere if he's mafia.

So far all we got are two correct reads for questionable reasons that might as well just be tmi.

On March 13 2018 01:59 Vivax wrote:






What happened/who were you sheeping at the time?

On March 14 2018 04:50 Vivax wrote:
It's fucking bull-shit that rsoultin got allegedly shot today and AMG n1.

Now they are supposed to be confirmed town and I feel like they're leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves sinking teeth into each other when we are all town anyway.

If I had one argument for rsoultin to be mafia it would be that she's too docile.

On March 14 2018 04:54 Alakaslam wrote:

Yeah FF is Murcia like myself. He’s just Midwest and I am West.

On March 14 2018 06:31 darthfoley wrote:
Lol @ anyone tinfoiling me and rsoultin scum team.

On March 14 2018 07:54 darthfoley wrote:


Thanks for all your help the last 4 days irl

On March 14 2018 08:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
So we kill medics one by one and win 100% unless there's a cheeky vt who claimed medic in which case they should claim now and we kill them first

On March 14 2018 08:08 rsoultin wrote:
-bounces around-

I haven't done the maths but I can't imagine there's a path to victory at this point.

On March 14 2018 08:10 darthfoley wrote:
just gonna say

vigidocc'd scum n1
cowboy save n2
scum lynch d3

big boy plays

On March 14 2018 08:28 rsoultin wrote:
FF is right. If anyone as VT fake-claimed medic now is the time to sound out. We'll have to shoot you, but otherwise you'd obviously cause a bunch of town shots/lynches for no reason. (I don't think this happened, but it's worth putting out there just in case.)

I too think it's most likely NK, especially with his post-flip silence lol.

On March 15 2018 05:10 n00bKing wrote:

I was sure you had to be joking, but then you said it again in this post:

All game long, I've asked you questions about "why would you post crap like this, if you were town?"

And yet again...why would you post crap like this, if you're town?

That post is just completely awful.

No, there is nothing in the OP (or anywhere else in the game that I've seen) that says anything about the action becoming randomized. I've also never heard of a "mandatory" healer. The healer's action is never mandatory on the site I play most often, and in fact, there are not ANY roles that have a mandatory night action. 100% of them are optional. On top of all that, if the medic "has to" heal each night in this ruleset, then you would have to assume the same is true for the mafia medic. Meaning that the mafia medic is 0% more likely than a town medic, to say what I said. 0%. It means absolutely nothing.

In the time it took to type, you should have figured out not to say it. But said it anyway. I don't understand why your brain doesn't work.

I mentioned before that during the D3 Phase, I had listed off 12-14 reasons to believe you were scum. You gave me two more late in the phase, which I didn't have time to comment on (and which I didn't have reason to think would make any difference anyway.) This is now yet another thing that wouldn't make any sense for a town player to do, and could only make sense for a scum player to do, as they try to get me killed in N3.

So I now have in the neighborhood of 15-17 separate arguments against you. 15-17 distinct reasons to believe you have a scum role in this game. Against Moosy, I had THREE. And rsoul argued AGAINST 2 of those 3 reasons to think Moosy was scum. If I took her word for it, I would have had only ONE reason left to think he was scum. And yet, YOU'RE the one who is Town. That's pretty sad.

On March 15 2018 05:26 n00bKing wrote:

YES. I thought that was obvious, when I said that I had 15-17 distinct reasons for scumreading you, and could not get people to even discuss them.

On March 15 2018 06:00 darthfoley wrote:
If we go 2 for 1 I think it should be NK and Vivax.

On March 15 2018 06:29 rsoultin wrote:
I'm a dork. I mean, don't lynch viva lol.