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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 11 2018 11:01 GMT
#1301
But objectively Koshi is right this is the best way to play the game.
I don't think any of his advice makes him town. He's still cold as ice and not very organic while he posts useful things.

I'm going to be healing Koshi, if one medic claims to be backing me up the other can go for a save at his own discretion, with the roleblocker down.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:01 GMT
#1302
On March 11 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:
On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.

##Vote: Koshi


Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first.

I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there.


There's enough crap in the thread to solve the game probably, but creating more crap isn't the way to solve it.

I'm also hung over and dropped moist coffee powder all over my floor and I really cba to read much today. That gabalier dude played at my village yesterday. I even saw Brits run around.

When I can get killed thanks to the mass claim already I see little reason to put in more effort. Mafia kills medics, medics kill non medics. When we are done with that I can be convinced to play more. This is the way the others chose to play and now I'm not going to get shit on for it since I was against mass claiming in the first place.


^ This is town to you, hf?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:05 GMT
#1303
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not gonna defend Vivax like it's a super solid town read that's infallible. I just town read him before and the only thing negative is inactivity.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 11 2018 11:05 GMT
#1304
rsoultin, can you explain why noobking is town to you?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:05 GMT
#1305
He was also the first to claim medic iirc.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:05 GMT
#1306
...

I'm sorry that I forced this on everyone. Apparently getting the claims out now means that scumhunting is impossible for people. My bad. I don't understand why I'm bothering if no one else can be bothered.

Maybe because noobking actually is playing, I don't know.

I have other things to do with my life than try to help figure this game out, too, you know. Like, how the hell does having mass claims mean there's no need to scum hunt? There's still two scum!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:06 GMT
#1307
It just makes the game shit because there's no nk info. Who has stopped scum hunting because of mass claims? Nobody that I can see.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:07 GMT
#1308
Only vivax stopped posting reads and you're attributing that to him being mafia so surely that's just more fuel for the fire if he's mafia?
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 11 2018 11:08 GMT
#1309
On March 11 2018 20:05 rsoultin wrote:
...

I'm sorry that I forced this on everyone. Apparently getting the claims out now means that scumhunting is impossible for people. My bad. I don't understand why I'm bothering if no one else can be bothered.

Maybe because noobking actually is playing, I don't know.

I have other things to do with my life than try to help figure this game out, too, you know. Like, how the hell does having mass claims mean there's no need to scum hunt? There's still two scum!

I mean I've solved the game from my perspective just it's not the optimal way to play setup so it's not going to happen. So I resign myself to not getting heard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:09 GMT
#1310
On March 11 2018 20:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin, can you explain why noobking is town to you?


Mostly feels and giving a shit and actually trying to work through things. And really I don't see the arguments against him at all, so there's that, too.

Who gives a fuck if he voted KSC D1? He's right that we'd stopped pushing for a tube lynch at the time. Who gives a fuck if he asks questions? So do you. Maybe I'm a tard, and he's pocketing me, but frankly he's the only one this game who is making sense to me and who seems to understand what I'm saying.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:09 GMT
#1311
On March 11 2018 20:07 Holyflare wrote:
Only vivax stopped posting reads and you're attributing that to him being mafia so surely that's just more fuel for the fire if he's mafia?


Moosy aggreeing with it set me off -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 11 2018 11:10 GMT
#1312
On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df.

Nice try, but if you were Town, your fake claim accomplished nothing at all on Night 1. It may have accomplished something later...if you hadn't suddenly told everyone it was fake. But it did nothing on Night 1. It doesn't make any difference who the mafia targeted with either of those roles. The course of action I laid out made both of the mafia roles irrelevant, remember? Vivax suggested having DF heal a secret target of his choosing, while the other 2 medics picked a target to kill. THEN the mafia roles would matter. But since I shut his idea down and we all targeted prpl, the mafia roles were literally helpless. The fake medic claim could only have helped later.
On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.

Yes, if you say you're a medic that healed DF then you would need to lead a push on him under false pretenses. So you don't say that. This is why what you *would* say is that you actually healed prpl too. You say that if you told us that, people will ask why you weren't still pushing DF...how does that change any by you saying you weren't really a medic? The medic claim being fake doesn't explain why you would stop pushing DF. Being a real medic or fake medic shouldn't affect your read on him at all. So no, this is not a legitimate reason to start off Day 2 by saying the fake was claim, if you were town. There are only scum motivations to do it.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:11 GMT
#1313
On March 11 2018 19:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 19:39 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.

So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul.


What exactly were you expecting people to pressure you on prior to this post, Moosy?

Nothing in particular actually. Normally when I start playing games with for example rayn, he notices something in my posts he doesn't like whether it be an inconsistency or whatever, and he calls me out on it. It happens regardless of whether I'm town or Mafia or whether I think I'm playing well or not it just happens. It's probably because I tend to post things without thinking most of the time. Then I get frustrated by his tunnel and questioning so I tend to make a decision on the flip of a hat whether I'm going to troll or not with a high tendency to troll.

This game there was actually no one like rayn so I was able to stick to my goal of keeping trolling to a minimum since I didn't get frustrated by someone tunneling me.

I don't think this post is relevant though because again, it's meta, it's been 2 years, I'm trying to be reformed, a lot happens in 2 years, irl stuff that changes perspectives, this is just a game, etc, etc, yadda, yadda.


It's relevant. You were using your trolling to try to catch scum. If that's changed, why?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 11 2018 11:13 GMT
#1314
I think I like Koshi/DF for remaining mafia very much, a bit on a whim. Having taken issue with Damdreds and DFs D1 posts already I'd love to have been right about suspecting them at that point already.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:14 GMT
#1315
On March 11 2018 20:10 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df.

Nice try, but if you were Town, your fake claim accomplished nothing at all on Night 1. It may have accomplished something later...if you hadn't suddenly told everyone it was fake. But it did nothing on Night 1. It doesn't make any difference who the mafia targeted with either of those roles. The course of action I laid out made both of the mafia roles irrelevant, remember? Vivax suggested having DF heal a secret target of his choosing, while the other 2 medics picked a target to kill. THEN the mafia roles would matter. But since I shut his idea down and we all targeted prpl, the mafia roles were literally helpless. The fake medic claim could only have helped later.
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.

Yes, if you say you're a medic that healed DF then you would need to lead a push on him under false pretenses. So you don't say that. This is why what you *would* say is that you actually healed prpl too. You say that if you told us that, people will ask why you weren't still pushing DF...how does that change any by you saying you weren't really a medic? The medic claim being fake doesn't explain why you would stop pushing DF. Being a real medic or fake medic shouldn't affect your read on him at all. So no, this is not a legitimate reason to start off Day 2 by saying the fake was claim, if you were town. There are only scum motivations to do it.


I am town and I did what I did. I stopped claiming medic because I am not a medic and did not want to confuse people. You either like that explanation or you don't. Posting walls of texts positing different scenarios that I could have done does not change what I actually have done and what I believe. I'm sorry.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 11 2018 11:14 GMT
#1316
Well I'm just going to say vivax is the scum medic, because if he's not he's already fucked people over because we did something he didn't want and he'd rather just medic whoever he wants instead of playing with town.

Because if he is town there's no point to me putting any effort in either. I just sit here and hope that I'm wrong on koshi. Which is possible, too.

I just...gah. Well, your idea won't work either, hf. Cause vivax decided he's gonna do what he wants.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 11 2018 11:15 GMT
#1317
On March 11 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 19:46 rsoultin wrote:
How do 3 medics die exactly?

Vivax and ff heal noob and df. Df and noob heal each other. If df and noob are both medics then mafia cover for the non-medic by healing df or noob and both die. Mafia also have a nk and kill either into the non-medic pool or the medic pool. Killing into the medic pool guarantees mafia. Non medic pool gives us 50/50.

On March 11 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
That is if they are both medics.

lol, almost forgot you're not supposed to know that DF and I are both true medics?
On March 11 2018 19:50 Holyflare wrote:
We have a 50/50 shot of killing or finding mafia in the medics tonight.

By risking a night where 3 Town players die in a single night, and the Town must lynch correctly 2 days in a row to avoid losing. Instead of just following the comparatively easy-peasy path to victory we earned with the mass claim. If you aren't scum, why do you keep looking for things we can do that will give the mafia a fighting chance?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
March 11 2018 11:17 GMT
#1318
Why am I doing what only, I want? FF posted that he's cool with healing Koshi, I'm cool with healing Koshi as well. So we can healkill Koshi both and Noobking and df can claim to be doing whatever.

If Koshi flips scum that also clears me and FF and the next days one of Noobking or DF flips mafia, or one of them claims to have healed Koshi as well and we lynch him.

I'm going to heal Koshi, now to wait what the other medic claims claim to be doing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 11 2018 11:19 GMT
#1319
It also DOES change my read on df. If DF is town then I fully believe mafia would think I'm healing him and waste their medic heal on him as a chance to get two night kills. If DF is a town medic then they think I'm also a town medic and instead of wasting their NK on DF for guaranteed medic kills they use their NK on AMG and try and get two kills in one since that's their only option.

If I did not say that I was healing df and he was a town medic then they nk him and we're down a medic for later in the game with no other nk info and we're still in the same mass claim situation with a mafia fake claiming.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 11 2018 11:19 GMT
#1320
On March 11 2018 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2018 08:11 n00bKing wrote:
By the way, Moosy, I've seen you play both allegiances before, and this right here:
On March 11 2018 06:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also let's calm down with the insults and flinging dirt at each other people. Its just a gaem at the end of the day whether people dont play optimally or not.

is NOT what I remember from Town Moosy. No one flings dirt and insults like Town Moosy. This "can't we all just get along?" stuff is NOT your Town meta. So I can add a meta read against you to the association case against you.

That's because I'm r e f o r m e d dude. After thinking about all the times I got mad during this game I've decided it's not worth it. It's also why I'm trying to troll a little less because people got mad over it and I don't want to ruin people's days that way. It sucks to try and play the game and have to deal with someone's shit.

@rsoultin why i changed from trolling
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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