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On March 11 2018 19:37 Holyflare wrote:
Moosy is nice and has said nothing bad the entire game. Your case earlier was that he didn't mention prplhz that afk guy that posted two posts. Really bad case and I've almost never seen those cases work despite being used frequently.
What did koshi do? Replace in and post mechanics? Cool. He's mafia. So what if if helps town? It also is a fake post because as mafia he's also got to work that out for himself to see where his team stands so it's bs activity to make him look good.
His reads? Moosy is not mafia. That's it. Ok, cool.
If you're town I'd appreciate you not posting inaccuracies. Koshi has reads. If he didn't I wouldn't be asking him for clarification, nor would I be saying I'd rather not vig shot him today.
I'm not making a case. I'm trying to determine who is the scum out of the remaining VT claims, thank you much. You should let me do that instead of interfering.
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Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.
##Vote: Koshi
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The case on me is that I've played anti town when that's my blatant town meta and always has been. Truth been told I hadn't played anti town at all.
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df. The mass claim turned out to be shit and now they're gonna die one by one instead.
Turns out you guys were the anti town ones all along. Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.
Now this nk thing? 25% chance to hit mafia. If 3 medics die we have a guaranteed mafia to lynch tomorrow. Accelerates the game to my liking.
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On March 11 2018 15:32 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 10:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Is there anything anyone wants me to look into? I've shared all my thoughts so I'm down with answering questions people have on my reads. Yeah, I have a question about your reads. Who is the VT scum? The other vanilla claims are: Slam, HF, rsoul and Koshi. Who should get shot tonight? I don't feel like you're interacting with any of them like as if they are scumreads. Does your own PoE tell you that the VT scummer is you? 
Slam rsoul and holy are likely town. Im not voting slam probs ever because I want to townread him and this looks like town Slam anyway. Rsoul is likely town because you're pocketing her and other stuff. Holy could be mafia but his thought process lines with mine so I doubt hes scum. So koshi would be my vote here.
There is tinfoil where maybe rsoul is pocketing you and her goddawful tunnel on town hf and bad townread on prpl or hf is mafia pocketing me but meh.
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On March 11 2018 19:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:37 Holyflare wrote:
Moosy is nice and has said nothing bad the entire game. Your case earlier was that he didn't mention prplhz that afk guy that posted two posts. Really bad case and I've almost never seen those cases work despite being used frequently.
What did koshi do? Replace in and post mechanics? Cool. He's mafia. So what if if helps town? It also is a fake post because as mafia he's also got to work that out for himself to see where his team stands so it's bs activity to make him look good.
His reads? Moosy is not mafia. That's it. Ok, cool. If you're town I'd appreciate you not posting inaccuracies. Koshi has reads. If he didn't I wouldn't be asking him for clarification, nor would I be saying I'd rather not vig shot him today. I'm not making a case. I'm trying to determine who is the scum out of the remaining VT claims, thank you much. You should let me do that instead of interfering.
No he doesn't. Tell me his reads.
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On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.
##Vote: Koshi
Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first.
I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there.
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On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The case on me is that I've played anti town when that's my blatant town meta and always has been. Truth been told I hadn't played anti town at all.
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df. The mass claim turned out to be shit and now they're gonna die one by one instead.
Turns out you guys were the anti town ones all along. Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.
Now this nk thing? 25% chance to hit mafia. If 3 medics die we have a guaranteed mafia to lynch tomorrow. Accelerates the game to my liking.
How do 3 medics die exactly?
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If you quote one liners where he says "x looks like town" then I will gladly tell you to go away because that is not a good read that is fleshed out. He starts the day even saying ff and vivax look like medics and noob got caught but then when ff and vivax haven't posted the noob read disappeared and it became tinfoil based on absolutely nothing.
Koshi has also not called me lock town for playing so anti town and being annoying which is how he reads me so he's already setting me up for a lynch later by keeping that option open.
Let me ask. If you get rid of tinfoil koshi team who does he think is mafia?
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On March 11 2018 19:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 15:32 n00bKing wrote:On March 11 2018 10:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Is there anything anyone wants me to look into? I've shared all my thoughts so I'm down with answering questions people have on my reads. Yeah, I have a question about your reads. Who is the VT scum? The other vanilla claims are: Slam, HF, rsoul and Koshi. Who should get shot tonight? I don't feel like you're interacting with any of them like as if they are scumreads. Does your own PoE tell you that the VT scummer is you? Slam rsoul and holy are likely town. Im not voting slam probs ever because I want to townread him and this looks like town Slam anyway. Rsoul is likely town because you're pocketing her and other stuff. Holy could be mafia but his thought process lines with mine so I doubt hes scum. So koshi would be my vote here. There is tinfoil where maybe rsoul is pocketing you and her goddawful tunnel on town hf and bad townread on prpl or hf is mafia pocketing me but meh.
It wasn't awful -_- I really resent that
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On March 11 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
If you quote one liners where he says "x looks like town" then I will gladly tell you to go away because that is not a good read that is fleshed out. He starts the day even saying ff and vivax look like medics and noob got caught but then when ff and vivax haven't posted the noob read disappeared and it became tinfoil based on absolutely nothing.
Koshi has also not called me lock town for playing so anti town and being annoying which is how he reads me so he's already setting me up for a lynch later by keeping that option open.
Let me ask. If you get rid of tinfoil koshi team who does he think is mafia?
How are you reading vivax town, that's what I'd like to know?
And why should I get rid of koshi's tinfoil team? (You've answered your own question. He does have reads. You may not like what his reads are, or how little they're explained, but that doesn't equate to no reads.)
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On March 11 2018 19:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.
So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul. What exactly were you expecting people to pressure you on prior to this post, Moosy?
Please answer this moosy.
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On March 11 2018 19:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The case on me is that I've played anti town when that's my blatant town meta and always has been. Truth been told I hadn't played anti town at all.
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df. The mass claim turned out to be shit and now they're gonna die one by one instead.
Turns out you guys were the anti town ones all along. Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.
Now this nk thing? 25% chance to hit mafia. If 3 medics die we have a guaranteed mafia to lynch tomorrow. Accelerates the game to my liking. How do 3 medics die exactly?
Vivax and ff heal noob and df. Df and noob heal each other. If df and noob are both medics then mafia cover for the non-medic by healing df or noob and both die. Mafia also have a nk and kill either into the non-medic pool or the medic pool. Killing into the medic pool guarantees mafia. Non medic pool gives us 50/50.
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On March 11 2018 19:31 rsoultin wrote:
This so isn't helping ><
I was thinking maybe not Moosy after all. The he ignores his teammates thing doesn't really hold water looking at past scum games. BTDT in Newbie Student Mafia XXII is an example. Also, even though he doesn't appear to talk much about other scummates, he does talk to them.
Also found him policing the thread a bit as town. And I noticed that he's more active in this game than his two most recent scum games.
However, that doesn't mean much as it turns out, because he's also more active than his town games and I didn't notice a huge activity difference in those four games. But then I started just getting this he's way more actively and aggressively pushing things in this town game I'm reading (Newbie XXI), and I found an explanation for his early trolling that makes me wonder why he bothers to change it up.
So now I'm thinking this was a waste of time and I should just throw the meta out the window lol >< These games were from years ago as it is.
Pffft.
On March 11 2018 13:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 08:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also rsoultin is right in that I haven't played in 2 years(?). I'm actually drawing inspiration from one game I played way back where I actually played decent as town and nailed a clutch cop check.
So yeah, I'm just genuinely trying to shake up my meta from the mess it was before. If you read me as scum that's fine, I just call bogus on reading me as red because of meta.
Looks like rsoultin found that game I was talking about.
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That is if they are both medics.
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We have a 50/50 shot of killing or finding mafia in the medics tonight.
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On March 11 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.
##Vote: Koshi Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first. I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there.
There's enough crap in the thread to solve the game probably, but creating more crap isn't the way to solve it.
I'm also hung over and dropped moist coffee powder all over my floor and I really cba to read much today. That gabalier dude played at my village yesterday. I even saw Brits run around.
When I can get killed thanks to the mass claim already I see little reason to put in more effort. Mafia kills medics, medics kill non medics. When we are done with that I can be convinced to play more. This is the way the others chose to play and now I'm not going to get shit on for it since I was against mass claiming in the first place.
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On March 11 2018 19:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 19:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Honestly though this game is kind of weird for me because normally in my Mafia games, it's people lining up on the Moosy wagon D1 and/or putting a lot of pressure on me and neither of those things have happened so far.
So I'm in this weird position where on my return to TL Mafia I kind of want to troll a little less and be a little more serious but I often tend to decide on the flip of a coin whether to respond seriously to pressure or go into super troll mode with a large tendency to resort to trolling...but since there's really no pressure I can't really troll a lot or actually tryhard. So my filter's just kind of growing omegalul. What exactly were you expecting people to pressure you on prior to this post, Moosy?
Nothing in particular actually. Normally when I start playing games with for example rayn, he notices something in my posts he doesn't like whether it be an inconsistency or whatever, and he calls me out on it. It happens regardless of whether I'm town or Mafia or whether I think I'm playing well or not it just happens. It's probably because I tend to post things without thinking most of the time. Then I get frustrated by his tunnel and questioning so I tend to make a decision on the flip of a hat whether I'm going to troll or not with a high tendency to troll.
This game there was actually no one like rayn so I was able to stick to my goal of keeping trolling to a minimum since I didn't get frustrated by someone tunneling me.
I don't think this post is relevant though because again, it's meta, it's been 2 years, I'm trying to be reformed, a lot happens in 2 years, irl stuff that changes perspectives, this is just a game, etc, etc, yadda, yadda.
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On March 11 2018 18:56 rsoultin wrote:
Also not sure what you meant by DF should have died if he wasn't real medic? Can you lay that out for me?
Yeah, I think I asked Koshi that question earlier, and I don't remember an answer. Might have been a typo or something, because it's just such a weird statement.
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On March 11 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:46 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 19:42 Holyflare wrote:
The case on me is that I've played anti town when that's my blatant town meta and always has been. Truth been told I hadn't played anti town at all.
The fake claim either wasted a mafia medic or rb on myself or df. The mass claim turned out to be shit and now they're gonna die one by one instead.
Turns out you guys were the anti town ones all along. Now about me rescinding the claim? Why would I keep it up? There's no benefit to weaving a lie the entire day 2. If I say I was still medic that healed df then that means he's likely mafia when it turns out he might not be. It also grossly misleads people. Waste of time. More info is way better than making people waste time assuming wrong scenarios. If I say I healed prplhz then they'll ask why I was still not pushing df. Again, waste of time.
Now this nk thing? 25% chance to hit mafia. If 3 medics die we have a guaranteed mafia to lynch tomorrow. Accelerates the game to my liking. How do 3 medics die exactly? Vivax and ff heal noob and df. Df and noob heal each other. If df and noob are both medics then mafia cover for the non-medic by healing df or noob and both die. Mafia also have a nk and kill either into the non-medic pool or the medic pool. Killing into the medic pool guarantees mafia. Non medic pool gives us 50/50.
Nh. We're at what...7v2
That would bring us to 4v2 on a 50/50 between medics if we don't hit mafia. And I don't think you will if you're not nking viva. And scum never shoots the 3rd medic there anyway, that's a no-brainer.
But say noob or df is scum. We go to 5v1. That gives us a mislynch and another shot before we have to hit scum. <- That scenario isn't so bad at all.
I'm just not convinced that we don't go to the first one.
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On March 11 2018 19:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2018 19:45 rsoultin wrote:On March 11 2018 19:42 Vivax wrote:
Kelsiers strategy of trying to skate on big puppy eyes didn't quite work. Good, good.
##Vote: Koshi Dude, if you don't give me more than this N2, I'm going to scumread you forever. It feels like you're just content to skate by because you know we have to lynch your partner first. I want reads. Informed by new things in thread. Not some vig shot the least common denominator crap without at least explaining how you get there. There's enough crap in the thread to solve the game probably, but creating more crap isn't the way to solve it. I'm also hung over and dropped moist coffee powder all over my floor and I really cba to read much today. That gabalier dude played at my village yesterday. I even saw Brits run around. When I can get killed thanks to the mass claim already I see little reason to put in more effort. Mafia kills medics, medics kill non medics. When we are done with that I can be convinced to play more. This is the way the others chose to play and now I'm not going to get shit on for it since I was against mass claiming in the first place.
This is the same boat I am in which I think Holyflare is in too. tbh I cba to really solve the game when it's basically solved. There's no point in doing much right now when we're playing setup and not playing mafia.
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