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TLDR on AMG
Not as sure he's scum anymore but I really do hate his prp scumread.
It also appears that my memory of his 'strong' early play was wrong, just as my impression of his townreads was incorrect. Not sure why I was towning him so hard in the first place @.@
The irony is I'm really not sure prp isn't scum so meh.
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On March 08 2018 18:11 rsoultin wrote:
TLDR on AMG
Not as sure he's scum anymore but I really do hate his prp scumread.
It also appears that my memory of his 'strong' early play was wrong, just as my impression of his townreads was incorrect. Not sure why I was towning him so hard in the first place @.@
The irony is I'm really not sure prp isn't scum so meh.
tonally amg is very appealingly town wise. It's like if you took holyflare and removed all of holyflare's coarseness.
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hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start?
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On March 08 2018 17:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 17:29 rsoultin wrote:DF's read progression on me: + Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. On March 07 2018 05:14 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? You made a post about how n00bking is 10000% not in your lynch pool ATM. But you seem to be heavily town reading AMG too, so I'm just confused why he wasn't part of this unlynchable pool. It's a minor inconsistency that I'm just confused about On March 07 2018 05:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Fair. Damdred lynching time then? Though I must say amg is one of the smexiest players in this game to me. It makes it harder for me to accept people not having an opinion in him. Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG? Pardon? Oh, I guess awarding him a cookie when I first came in thread and calling him the smexiest wasn't as obvious as I should be. AMG was and remains my top townread, with the only caveat being I've never played with him before that I recall. Just so you're aware, cookie = townread. Thus I am also now townreading Damdy. On March 07 2018 07:24 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote:
Anyway.
TLDR
- organic reads from Damdred in line with a normal D1 for him, plus easy tone earns him a cookie
- DF just being a boss and poking into good corners, while responding in a way to a scumread that doesn't resemble my impression of his scum play outweighs any meh feels about his afking earlier
Hopefully that clears things up for you. I think you're probably even more likely town for your read on me (sadly), so carry on. I'm not voting on rsoultin today I think. Tonally town and again I think her reason to townread me makes sense based off of our short playing history etc. I'm just not seeing what Moosy is. I'm gonna look at his filter later. On March 07 2018 07:25 darthfoley wrote:
Like I can see myself having a similar weak scum read on someone who did what I did. At least to stir the pot a bit cuz at the time she made that read, the thread was a "poop on tubesock" fest iirc On March 07 2018 07:27 darthfoley wrote:
n00b/rsoultin/AMG/Damdred is my town list ATM I don't see this as 'he just called rsoul town several times and asked irrelevant questions' (the fourth quote was my response to his question to contextualize it). That to me reads like noticing something odd while catching up, a very light maybe townread once caught up, then that townread solidifies after my answering his question and responding to moosy about my reads. Also, the second-to-last quote indicates he's thinking about whether what I was scumreading him for makes sense from a town perspective, which I think is a normal reaction to being scumread by someone (i.e. being more interested in their alignment). Followed by an updated town list. There is nothing about that read progression that strikes me as unnatural and I'm not sure why HF is reading it differently. You and I are reading different games then. He asks you a question about an irrelevant inconsistency. What does be gain from knowing you town read both? If you were mafia why does this inconsistency occur etc. It's irrelevant. Before you even answer he's throwing you a town read for thought process on tube. Then when you throw him a town read he buddies you and says that's what he'd expect. The town read wasn't even big or good from you to him. Its an overblown reactionary reason to call you town.
Ask him. I know why I might, but I'm not putting words in his mouth.
I'm not really understanding your townreading me for townreading him thing at all.
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On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start?
-shoos-
Unless you're saying you're already caught up, this post is unnecessary.
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On March 08 2018 18:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start? -shoos- Unless you're saying you're already caught up, this post is unnecessary.
can we calm down a little bit?
I will read through now
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On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start?
In 72 hours, you can come back later.
jkjk you're late as FUCK you motherfucker. I'm just glad to see more active people. :D Hopefully things will start to feel less like an empty echo chamber around here.
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On March 08 2018 18:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:11 rsoultin wrote:
TLDR on AMG
Not as sure he's scum anymore but I really do hate his prp scumread.
It also appears that my memory of his 'strong' early play was wrong, just as my impression of his townreads was incorrect. Not sure why I was towning him so hard in the first place @.@
The irony is I'm really not sure prp isn't scum so meh. tonally amg is very appealingly town wise. It's like if you took holyflare and removed all of holyflare's coarseness.
? In what sense? Making sense?
Because that's part of why the prp read bugs me. It doesn't. At all. And he does, in fact, appear to be someone who I can expect to make sense.
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On March 08 2018 18:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start? In 72 hours, you can come back later. jkjk you're late as FUCK you motherfucker. I'm just glad to see more active people. :D Hopefully things will start to feel less like an empty echo chamber around here.
i'm not promising anything
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On March 08 2018 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:16 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start? -shoos- Unless you're saying you're already caught up, this post is unnecessary. can we calm down a little bit? I will read through now
Frankly, your finding the need to post a joke here about afking over 48 hours before even starting to read doesn't sit well with me. Obviously it's not something I'd push in a vacuum but yeah.
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Okay, I'm going to poof again for awhile. I'll take yet another look at df's filter, just for you, HF. Maybe he is pocketing me and I'm just a chump.
Meh, who am I kidding. I probably have to do a meta dive on him. His play feels fine to me but your main gripe seems to actually be it's not good enough for his town play, and the fact is I don't think I've played with a town DF as town recently. Maybe ever. Am I correct to say that your main issue is meta-based, HF? Because I think that it's possible my expectations are just not high enough.
Breakfast time now, though.
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No?? How is it meta to say all he has done this game is question things with no follow up and just ask a question to his town read?
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On March 08 2018 18:29 Holyflare wrote:
No?? How is it meta to say all he has done this game is question things with no follow up and just ask a question to his town read?
Lol it isn't.
I'll look again and still do the meta dive. I don't know if he's pocketed me or what but I just don't get scummy feels from his filter. I've re-read it several times already.
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Then you'll never see it. Go to someone else instead. I don't need to convince if I just heal him and see
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I almost made it through page 7.
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On March 08 2018 18:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline Yeah... I'm actually warming up to Vivax's AMG read more. On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 06:56 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 06:03 AMG wrote:On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion. You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him. Except all of this happened not at once but you went from prickly->didn't fight your read->disengaged in your argumentation where you placed your vote at the final one after noobking did. So I can see you as mafia just building on your previous posts reacting to what you wrote to create a tubesock scumread which was consistent with what you already wrote, especially cause of your decision on when to place the vote (when another one already did) _____ I am actually open to the idea I'm wrong on either of you atm and after reading a bit of tube (since he talks about himself instead of finding mafia most of the time, but could be cause he's been in the defensive). And cause I'm always hesitant to lynch possible assets D1 I'm checking if there might be other ones worth lynching over df. Since you are so hung up on tube though I'd expect you to bring forward something more than what you already have and your read on him hasn't evolved much from that point onwards. I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying. And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players. So I was about to say that there is no way this lines up with the 'doesn't feel like scum' reaction to Tube not trying to make reads to save himself. But I think I'd rather ask you to reconcile those two, AMG, if you can. The thing for me is while I liked some of his posting independently, the scumreads are pretty boring. "You didn't talk to me when I had a different read" @tube "You said people when I only am scumreading one person" "you say you'd normally agree with the reasoning for the tube lynch" (and be wrong) "but you take issue with me jumping on it for a different reason" @prp There's like nothing whatsoever to these scumreads. By contrast, his townreads are fairly well-reasoned. I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here? I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself. I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town. You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that. I'm asking you how you can reconcile: 1) Tube is town because he's not coming back with a scumread (i.e. not trying to save himself a la vivax) and 2) Tube is town because nothing he says makes sense and I can't hold him to that standard. You gave two separate narratives for your townread that do not appear to go together to me. Maybe I'm just a dunce and there's a connection I'm not seeing, but it almost seems like you forgot your reason.
Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone?
Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him.
Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads).
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On March 08 2018 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
Then you'll never see it. Go to someone else instead. I don't need to convince if I just heal him and see
Heal and see will only work here if hes town.. you know that right?
Heal and see is a free kill for mafia because they're chucking their medic on here if hes town.
So you best be trying to convince the town medics to join you if he is in fact scum, because that's the only way you're killing him tonight is with at least one town medic being convinced.
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On March 08 2018 19:09 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
Then you'll never see it. Go to someone else instead. I don't need to convince if I just heal him and see Heal and see will only work here if hes town.. you know that right? Heal and see is a free kill for mafia because they're chucking their medic on here if hes town. So you best be trying to convince the town medics to join you if he is in fact scum, because that's the only way you're killing him tonight is with at least one town medic being convinced.
Nah, don't worry about it my friend.
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