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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 08:58 GMT
#1541
On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:03 GMT
#1542
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:03 GMT
#1543
On February 09 2018 17:58 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?

It's a good post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 09:07 GMT
#1544
On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.
Ohh I see now.
Because rsoultin was his scum read, he should default to thinking both wagons were scum.

Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:09 GMT
#1545
On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 17:58 Mocsta wrote:
On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?

It's a good post.

But it isnt conclusive at all.
DF TMI might have sparked that first discussion
DF might have wanted to still give mderg a fighting chance if mderg voted rsoultin. Making it very close. But if he votes mderg it isnt close at all anymore.

Like... You can interpret like you do. But the PoE pool is too small to tr somebody for tgat.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:11 GMT
#1546
On February 09 2018 18:07 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.
Ohh I see now.
Because rsoultin was his scum read, he should default to thinking both wagons were scum.


This is a puzzle game. The human mind likes to solve puzzles (at least ours) and while there are so many things to solve and so many variables left to discover, DF just "doesnt understand" and "doesnt get it".

It's lazy. So so lazy.

And I wonder why.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:13 GMT
#1547
If damdred is town both rayn and df are not helping us at all to see it. Df for sure. Rayn a bit.

And if damdred is mafia they are protecting their partner.


So Damdred has a key role here. Because the other people in my PoE take an interest stance on him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 09:14 GMT
#1548
fine

lynch in order
damdred, rayn, prplhz, df

game over
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:16 GMT
#1549
On February 09 2018 18:14 Mocsta wrote:
fine

lynch in order
damdred, rayn, prplhz, df

game over

Yeah.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 09 2018 09:42 GMT
#1550
There are a few reasons i think damdred is town.
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose as mafia early on in the game (calling rsoultin and ritoky mafia).
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose at the start of N1. He is basically not taking any of the outs being offered i think he could easily see 100 miles away as scum.
He chose to vote rsoultin over mderg (only a minor point but anyways).
He got all emo over something that wasn't really justified but it looks like he genuinely doesn't understand what people were trying to say and he genuinely thinks he has been ignored or misunderstood.
In all i think Damdred's play makes absolutely no sense as mafia.

I think Mocsta is completely misconstruing what Damdred's actions and when trying to elaborate more onto that he cannot give a reasonable answer. He just picked a post that looks bad and made it look like it's a mafia post for some invented reason.

I don't really think Conversion is mafia. He just feels like a person who has absolutely no idea what he should do. Just because i have more scumreads and he doesn't fit anywhere. purplehaze is the least town of my townreads, just because after a bit townie D1 he has gone back to only commenting on "good post", "funny post", "this" and nothing more.

I don't think df is mafia for his eod1. I think this summarized it quite well:
It was extremely reminiscent of what he did against hf. He took a small thing and turned it into a larger thing and diverted the thread from discussinf the lynch into who cased tina first. It was pointless did not help town.

like lets assume that tina is town, df auccessfully pushed hf (maybe) to not vote town tina instead hf goes onto his scum partnwr mderg when the other people on mdeeg are afk.

Like, this looks like a mafia thing to do for sure but if you account the situation it doesn't make any sense as mafia to do that. If df is mafia then the plan was not to bus (because he could have just voted for mderg if the plan was to bus), instead he chose not to bus but then do stuff that has a low chance of helping lynch town instead of mafia. Makes no sense. Obviously this doesn't matter if rsoultin is mafia but i have already said why that one doesn't work either on df being scum. df also has the "i am choosing a route that is very unlikely to work" thing after D1 in case he is mafia.

I made a post on disformation here, it doesn't make sense, he couldn't give anywhere reasonable answer. Obviously noone in teh fucking game cares. Why do i even try? It is especially funny for Koshi who thinks i should be doing something and when i do something obviously that gets ignored. But it doesn't matter Koshi, i will just do what i do, then you start calling me obvious scum at some point, then i call you bad, then you lynch me, then i call you bad again. I think you're lynching town rn, and i know how Damdred feels.

ftr the one i am not calling mafia today has a veeeery weird reaction to Damdred's emo burst. I think it's a bad reaction from someone who is supposed to know Damdred better.
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 09 2018 10:05 GMT
#1551
On February 09 2018 17:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 11:37 Damdred wrote:
Fuck it lets go, im just wrong on df.

If mderg and rs are scum together, df didnt do jackshit to help a counterwagon when he was presenr so doesnt make sense.

If mderg and df are scum together, you are right in that he should of bussed but now is part of the people who are being looked at.

His fihht i pointed out served no purpose and hurt hia cause if he is scum with mderg, he might od been antagonistic toqards hf but no real reason when he needs him to kill tina. (if shes town)

probably just town here because it doesnr make sense and im an idiot

Hahaha. Goddamn. If you are town damdred you play town on such a fucking weird way I probably shouldnt call you mafia anymore in the future. I still will ofcourse.

How the fuck are you still on rsoultin is mafia... you have 0 reasoning why she is mafia except the vote thing. She has a million post in this thread and you never challenge her critically on them (If you did it once my point still stands) and every time you talk to her you are a weak lamb defending yourself and pleasing her. Dafuqqqqq

yeah. even asked him about it...
On February 09 2018 17:34 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 14:14 Mocsta wrote:
my vote is sticking with damdred.

p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg.
hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there.

His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77.


My revised reads list:
town
Ritoky
darthfoley
Conversion
rsoultin
Koshi
Holyflare
prplhz

null land
disinformation

scummy
Damdred
raynpelikoneet
===
prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum.

We should lynch rayn if damdred is mafia. Just because it is unbelievable ridiculous how wrong he is this game.

After last game in the qt he calls some lynches bad. The very next game he is mafia reading the most obvious hard working townie in the game while thread sentiment is sitting on mafia.

Sureeeeeeeeee

tbh your super hard tr on me is getting a tad creepy. xD
On February 09 2018 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are a few reasons i think damdred is town.
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose as mafia early on in the game (calling rsoultin and ritoky mafia).
He chose a route i wouldn't expect him to choose at the start of N1. He is basically not taking any of the outs being offered i think he could easily see 100 miles away as scum.
He chose to vote rsoultin over mderg (only a minor point but anyways).
He got all emo over something that wasn't really justified but it looks like he genuinely doesn't understand what people were trying to say and he genuinely thinks he has been ignored or misunderstood.
In all i think Damdred's play makes absolutely no sense as mafia.

I think Mocsta is completely misconstruing what Damdred's actions and when trying to elaborate more onto that he cannot give a reasonable answer. He just picked a post that looks bad and made it look like it's a mafia post for some invented reason.

I don't really think Conversion is mafia. He just feels like a person who has absolutely no idea what he should do. Just because i have more scumreads and he doesn't fit anywhere. purplehaze is the least town of my townreads, just because after a bit townie D1 he has gone back to only commenting on "good post", "funny post", "this" and nothing more.

I don't think df is mafia for his eod1. I think this summarized it quite well:
Show nested quote +
It was extremely reminiscent of what he did against hf. He took a small thing and turned it into a larger thing and diverted the thread from discussinf the lynch into who cased tina first. It was pointless did not help town.

like lets assume that tina is town, df auccessfully pushed hf (maybe) to not vote town tina instead hf goes onto his scum partnwr mderg when the other people on mdeeg are afk.

Like, this looks like a mafia thing to do for sure but if you account the situation it doesn't make any sense as mafia to do that. If df is mafia then the plan was not to bus (because he could have just voted for mderg if the plan was to bus), instead he chose not to bus but then do stuff that has a low chance of helping lynch town instead of mafia. Makes no sense. Obviously this doesn't matter if rsoultin is mafia but i have already said why that one doesn't work either on df being scum. df also has the "i am choosing a route that is very unlikely to work" thing after D1 in case he is mafia.

I made a post on disformation here, it doesn't make sense, he couldn't give anywhere reasonable answer. Obviously noone in teh fucking game cares. Why do i even try? It is especially funny for Koshi who thinks i should be doing something and when i do something obviously that gets ignored. But it doesn't matter Koshi, i will just do what i do, then you start calling me obvious scum at some point, then i call you bad, then you lynch me, then i call you bad again. I think you're lynching town rn, and i know how Damdred feels.

ftr the one i am not calling mafia today has a veeeery weird reaction to Damdred's emo burst. I think it's a bad reaction from someone who is supposed to know Damdred better.

the thing that is confusing me about conversion is that after he was playing just fine for a while and ppl pretty much eased off him, he does the martyr thing again? shouldnt he feel better as town by now and just continue playing? feels like a cheap excuse kinda thing... but i dont know the guy very well.

as for your stuff on me. i cant fault you for being suspicious of Rels slot.
you also found an inconsistency you pointed out in a very rayn manner. problem with that specifically inconsistency is that I (and apparently a lot of other ppl too) dont understand why that is AI. like if you want to lynch ppl for that kind of stuff you would hit a lot of town imo.

will be back after lunch and maybe look at mocsta and damdy again. i think i also wanted to look at vote timings. lets see if i find the time. maybe i should just stop talking about what i might or not might want to do.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 09 2018 10:07 GMT
#1552
Here is disformation answer btw
On February 09 2018 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:04 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:35 disformation wrote:
@rayn:
i think i got distracted by koshi's great ass, or something.
but yeah got nothing of value to post rn so i think ill go to bed for rels now

I would loved if you told me what you were actually thinking but okay, maybe you're mafia then when you can't do that -- as i am not allowed to call rsoultin mafia.

*shrugs*
think i picked trfel as my first person to look at cause I didnt remember anything from skimming at work. saw some stuff about conversion convincing him to switch his read on rs. looked at conversion. saw conversions part with @mderg. posted about that.

other than that i was just throwing around ideas. in my mind i think i did look at vote stuff a bit, but didnt end up getting anywhere with that, which is why i stopped. yeah stuff like:
On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote:
ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum.
hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently.

outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not.

On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.

On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:
On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad.


indeed

mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare
rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred
Trfel (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Rels

ritoky as explained.
trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo.
koshi's eod seems to make sense.
holyflare as explained.
prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either.
conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too.

rest i need to look at again


looks fairly straightforward to me

Wel lyou didn't answer anything since the first quote in my post clearly says you want to look at people who were on rsoultin. Then you did something else and now you tell how you ended up from there to somewhere else.

Aka you never say why you, after saying you wanna look at the other wagon, didn't actually do so but did something else instead.

hmm... i think i ended up looking at why trfel switched off rs instead.
probably cause i wanted to.

yeah you probably wanted to do that instead what you said you wanted to do.
seems good.

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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 10:42 GMT
#1553
only scum care about doing everything they said they were gonna do.

lol. im still rayn top scum read lol. hes basically conceding

granted, i have bought into the wifom. damdred is probably town and rayn wants to lap up town cred.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 10:48 GMT
#1554
On February 09 2018 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
only scum care about doing everything they said they were gonna do.

lol. im still rayn top scum read lol. hes basically conceding

granted, i have bought into the wifom. damdred is probably town and rayn wants to lap up town cred.

This I have thought many times as well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:03 GMT
#1555
seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first

will benefit thread regardless.

i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon.
rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons
(1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back
(2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion)

its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game).
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:06 GMT
#1556
On February 09 2018 13:35 Mocsta wrote:
I REALLY HATE THIS exchange


On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin).

On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote:
Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game.
I just see no value in stating this to a town player.

The only motive I think that is acceptable is scum distancing.
this^^

its still a terrible exchange
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 09 2018 11:26 GMT
#1557
If you, Koshi, think i would defend a lynchbait'y Damdred and try to instead lynch someone who is basically unlynchable, as mafia, then you are the dumbest person on the planet. So there is that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 09 2018 11:27 GMT
#1558
On February 09 2018 20:03 Mocsta wrote:
seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first

will benefit thread regardless.

i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon.
rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons
(1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back
(2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion)

its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game).

I honestly won't read any of your posts because after your rsoultin case every single thing you have scumread someone for is that you create your own narrative and make it fit to what someone posted. It's bad, and if you are not in fact mafia then you should not do it.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:38 GMT
#1559
On February 09 2018 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 20:03 Mocsta wrote:
seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first

will benefit thread regardless.

i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon.
rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons
(1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back
(2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion)

its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game).

I honestly won't read any of your posts because after your rsoultin case every single thing you have scumread someone for is that you create your own narrative and make it fit to what someone posted. It's bad, and if you are not in fact mafia then you should not do it.
Im so insulted right now, you have successfully tilted me rayn.

Original Message From Sphinxx:
You are Jules Verne (FRA), a Mad Hatter.

You win with town.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:39 GMT
#1560
GG Town
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