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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 03:41 GMT
#1521
im never doing this again. fuck my life.. too tired to even go through it
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 09 2018 03:44 GMT
#1522
On February 09 2018 12:35 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 12:15 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:47 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:42 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:52 Damdred wrote:
[quote]

idk, who would you want to lynch eoght now after everything that was said so far conversion?


I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3


i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read


i understand that rsoultin kind of goaded youbinto staying pact on her, but you were really not liming mderg/prp. Can you take me through not changing and staying pact?


The entirety of D1 was me trying to get some bad habits out of my play (too much OMGUS/spammy emotional filter, hence HF’s cheeky cyborg Conversion comment) and another one was my super waffley nature when scum reading people. Waffley nature came out anyways as I got nervous about my vote as it seemed rsoultin was looking better than mderg, so I let it be transparent in the thread that I was not confident. rsoultin goaded me, I guess, but it more served a reminder that I wanted to improve my game, even by a little bit. So I stayed.


Ok, can you take me through why tina was making you feel better before her string of bad posts. I thinl you were absent when both of them decided to vote not each other?


I really disliked mderg’s response to my prodding at him then rsoultin’s. Rsoultin at one point said “ok my play before this was bad, and I will try to start new.” which I feel like I have and would do if I was town.

Mderg’s was just a passively dismissive attitude and I just really disliked it


Ok, what do you think of tina now?


I’d have to revisit her filter but I don’t remember her doing anyhig memorable? Although that’s just more me zoning out than not.

I cannot fathom a mderg + rsoultin mafia team playing that horribly before EoD, but I guess it is not impossible


Ok heres whatbim gwtting at.

You start with a hard enough scum read on tina to want to lynch her, she then wants ti start over which is enough to get you to move your read and just narrow to prp/mderg, rsoultin convinces you to stay on her by calling out your waffles.

You then during the night call tina town, amd have scum between me/rayn/prp, and now dont have an opinion of her but keeping the option open with the last sentence here for a scum read.

So I know you say youve zoned out especially over being angry. But can you explain it to me what im not seeing or misunderstanding because it seems strange?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 09 2018 03:46 GMT
#1523
On February 09 2018 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
im never doing this again. fuck my life.. too tired to even go through it


if it makes you feel better i did that in a 20 person game? it was so stupid i havent analuzed votes since on a large scale.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 09 2018 04:05 GMT
#1524
bed ill pick up here tommorow
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 04:24 GMT
#1525
hmm could rayn be the holyflare of the previous game?

can someone convince me why disinfo is more scummy than rayn?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 04:35 GMT
#1526
I REALLY HATE THIS exchange


On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin).

On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote:
Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game.
I just see no value in stating this to a town player.

The only motive I think that is acceptable is scum distancing.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 05:14 GMT
#1527
my vote is sticking with damdred.

p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg.
hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there.

His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77.


My revised reads list:
town
Ritoky
darthfoley
Conversion
rsoultin
Koshi
Holyflare
prplhz

null land
disinformation

scummy
Damdred
raynpelikoneet
===
prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 09 2018 07:48 GMT
#1528
I'm sorry damdy it's not like I intentionally don't talk to you, I don't talk to anyone because I'm barely around. We're never really around at the same time. I don't know if I can get over you saying the wagon is pure when you think both wagons are mafia. In your read on mocsta that I bolded it's also just super confusing hedge. You start saying if rsoultin is mafia he could be mafia (the world you're living in) but then completely counter your own argument in the next paragraph. It bugs me a lot.

It just seems like you're plugging the holes that get picked up on to me. Sorry if I'm wrong but that's just what I feel.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:17 GMT
#1529
End page 95. People who say rsoultin is mafia and damdred town should feel bad. 1 is like a cop asking questions and the other a suspect who murdered 7 children.

I associate cop with town. FYI.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:19 GMT
#1530
On February 09 2018 11:10 Mocsta wrote:
I really struggle to see this as scum to scum conversation.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.
    On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
    I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read.
On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:
Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.
    On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote:
    Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since?
On February 07 2018 21:32 mderg wrote:
A bit, he's certainly a bit more jumpy now


In DarthFoley eyes mocsta is scum; and this reads as a legitimate attempt to canvas why someone presents an alternate view. (i.e. not fake scum to scum interaction)

What follows a couple posts from mderg is the infamous summary:
Show nested quote +
"darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum."

Does it read prior that hes talking to someone that is scum lean?
Does it read prior that mderg would call DF scummy for that conversation?

    On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote:
    Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts..

    I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon.
    On February 08 2018 04:06 darthfoley wrote:
    yes, it was I! I still think that inconsistency is very weird, even after he explained it. I kinda bought it but not really

    Catching up now 1 hour before deadline
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 04:30 mderg wrote:
still no actual inconsistency there.
I believe this exchange is crucial to determine DF alignment.
Note the votes when DF made that post:
Show nested quote +
mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi
rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Holyflare, Trfel
trfel (1): prplhz
prplhz (0):: Koshi
Conversion (0): rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg
ritoky (0): rsoultin
darthfoley (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels
If DF is scum.. he can either bus or save mderg.

If he was bussing, DF would be riding this so much harder.. instead, he actally backs off it slightly & eventually gets into a screaming match with HF. One could argue, that rsoultin and mderg are scum. If so, i think DF only has one play which is to try and swing votes onto me (as his other read).

Overall I am satisfied DF is town.

But but but... that means rayn wont keep his promise 😢😢😭
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:23 GMT
#1531
On February 09 2018 11:37 Damdred wrote:
Fuck it lets go, im just wrong on df.

If mderg and rs are scum together, df didnt do jackshit to help a counterwagon when he was presenr so doesnt make sense.

If mderg and df are scum together, you are right in that he should of bussed but now is part of the people who are being looked at.

His fihht i pointed out served no purpose and hurt hia cause if he is scum with mderg, he might od been antagonistic toqards hf but no real reason when he needs him to kill tina. (if shes town)

probably just town here because it doesnr make sense and im an idiot

Hahaha. Goddamn. If you are town damdred you play town on such a fucking weird way I probably shouldnt call you mafia anymore in the future. I still will ofcourse.

How the fuck are you still on rsoultin is mafia... you have 0 reasoning why she is mafia except the vote thing. She has a million post in this thread and you never challenge her critically on them (If you did it once my point still stands) and every time you talk to her you are a weak lamb defending yourself and pleasing her. Dafuqqqqq
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:25 GMT
#1532
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:52 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:46 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:43 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:39 Conversion wrote:
Damdred you still around? Who’s your preferred lynch today?


Right now im trying to get a better grasp, df is probably my strongest scum read. However wirh talking it out its kind of makes eod more confussing unless mafia team was super acrewed with afk team.


Okay. Wonder where DF went? I feel like he’s been missing after night. I need to park a vote on someone in case I don’t get back Satrday hmMm


idk, who would you want to lynch eoght now after everything that was said so far conversion?


I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3


i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read

Be a hero tomorrow and decide between rayn and prplhz. I think those will be the main choices.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:28 GMT
#1533
On February 09 2018 12:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 12:35 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:15 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:47 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:42 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
[quote]

I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3


i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read


i understand that rsoultin kind of goaded youbinto staying pact on her, but you were really not liming mderg/prp. Can you take me through not changing and staying pact?


The entirety of D1 was me trying to get some bad habits out of my play (too much OMGUS/spammy emotional filter, hence HF’s cheeky cyborg Conversion comment) and another one was my super waffley nature when scum reading people. Waffley nature came out anyways as I got nervous about my vote as it seemed rsoultin was looking better than mderg, so I let it be transparent in the thread that I was not confident. rsoultin goaded me, I guess, but it more served a reminder that I wanted to improve my game, even by a little bit. So I stayed.


Ok, can you take me through why tina was making you feel better before her string of bad posts. I thinl you were absent when both of them decided to vote not each other?


I really disliked mderg’s response to my prodding at him then rsoultin’s. Rsoultin at one point said “ok my play before this was bad, and I will try to start new.” which I feel like I have and would do if I was town.

Mderg’s was just a passively dismissive attitude and I just really disliked it


Ok, what do you think of tina now?


I’d have to revisit her filter but I don’t remember her doing anyhig memorable? Although that’s just more me zoning out than not.

I cannot fathom a mderg + rsoultin mafia team playing that horribly before EoD, but I guess it is not impossible


Ok heres whatbim gwtting at.

You start with a hard enough scum read on tina to want to lynch her, she then wants ti start over which is enough to get you to move your read and just narrow to prp/mderg, rsoultin convinces you to stay on her by calling out your waffles.

You then during the night call tina town, amd have scum between me/rayn/prp, and now dont have an opinion of her but keeping the option open with the last sentence here for a scum read.

So I know you say youve zoned out especially over being angry. But can you explain it to me what im not seeing or misunderstanding because it seems strange?

Such a me4k conversation. It's cool and all but I dont see Damdred trying to convince Converssion rsoiltin is mafia. Nor do I see that Damdred thinks rsoultin is mafia in his questioning
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:28 GMT
#1534
On February 09 2018 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
im never doing this again. fuck my life.. too tired to even go through it

Is there a reason why I would read it?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:30 GMT
#1535
On February 09 2018 16:48 Holyflare wrote:

It just seems like you're plugging the holes that get picked up on to me. Sorry if I'm wrong but that's just what I feel.

The last 2 times you were this intelligent and I agreed with all your posts you were mafia. I am not kidding.

If you and rsoultin are mafia I will be sad.
Also super impressed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:34 GMT
#1536
On February 09 2018 14:14 Mocsta wrote:
my vote is sticking with damdred.

p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg.
hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there.

His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77.


My revised reads list:
town
Ritoky
darthfoley
Conversion
rsoultin
Koshi
Holyflare
prplhz

null land
disinformation

scummy
Damdred
raynpelikoneet
===
prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum.

We should lynch rayn if damdred is mafia. Just because it is unbelievable ridiculous how wrong he is this game.

After last game in the qt he calls some lynches bad. The very next game he is mafia reading the most obvious hard working townie in the game while thread sentiment is sitting on mafia.

Sureeeeeeeeee
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:42 GMT
#1537
## Vote Damdred
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:44 GMT
#1538
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.

If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it

Bad post. And the next 5 were also besides every point in the world.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:47 GMT
#1539
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:55 GMT
#1540
Damdred. If you are town mafia is within df and then maybe rayn/prplhz and very maybe conversion.
I had a good night of sleep.
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