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On February 05 2018 02:35 Skynx wrote: Thank you  vig=mafia kp now. Updated player list, we're full now. Will send confirmation pms shortly. If all goes well game begins tomorrow, in . Does this mean if mafia shooters the vig, and vig shoots the mafia KP-user.. that both will die? | ||
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That feelimf to wake up busting to go to toilet But urgently want to see role pm. Its loading.you "mafia role"... the head slings down immediately... As you click on the subject heading... Ahh. Its all ok. Go pee in peace for you are TOWN Happy endings do ocxur on team liquid | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:28 rsoultin wrote: Lol, dude, you actually had me checking to see if there were a possible serial killer in this game @.@ Scum right here...i didnt care | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: why am i agreeinf with you already...It is not a pointless conversation from my end because i find it really hard to believe that rsoultin was just joking from the beginning, or if she was, i find it really hard to believe that she cannot see my point and clear it up immediately. She is pushing a pointless conversation, or trying to make it look like it is. I am not quite sure why she would do that as town. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: hi tinaSo tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? | ||
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Why stir rhis by voting. Why not see it out? Im confused by what you could meaningfully expect to achieve ? | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:28 Holyflare wrote: I don't need to play it out. That's way too overblown. However. I agree completelt with rayn. Hes just typing it more than i can be bothered. Is it likely him and i are mafia? If not. I would like to see this throigh. As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote: a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lolThe fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" | ||
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##vote: RSoultin Full of passive aggression this game And im sure i just read emotive anger Me.. im just chilling Will artixulate it better when i wake up later | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote: Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote: you know tinaDidn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? Insteas of answering a question with a question You can continue to deflect by answering the question lol | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:39 rsoultin wrote: Or you could clarify as I asked. That's also a thing. Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:40 rsoultin wrote: Let me rephrase so that this is easier to understand, then. What does scum 'light' comment even mean? Sure thing. Means you said you were tempted to call rayn scum for reason XYZ Thats a weak phrase association. Hrnce. Light weight. Hence 'light' | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote: this is quite funny.He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:18 darthfoley wrote: perhaps that's because he made like two posts about getting up and going back to bed that felt unnatural Hi DF - Im plotting in the QT how to take you to end game now! ^o^ In all seriousness though, I am intrigued because I can already feel a difference in your play compared to prior game - giving me minor town lean. Frankly, I assumed you would be the one to be vibing me as town. Either way, I am happy that someone else shares the rsoultin vibe. | ||
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For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested. Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation. #1 Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] + On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote: You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer... -eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? :o On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that. On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation". On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote: Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not. I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose. In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up. On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote: I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game. #2 Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote: As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? #3 I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: [...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. [...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote: hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote: Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote: Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. Item #4 So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote: Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually. On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: Was thinking nothing about her posts but that actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote: Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote: Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. | ||
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On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote: Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? | ||
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Insert for Item 3: B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. Its clear from Item #1 and 2, that rsoultin wants to broadcast the reasons as "stupid", hence Rayn is targetting scum. lololololol + Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote: All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin. For context, I was very impressed by town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated inclusive scum hunting; logical town hunting; an open-mindedness to alternate views, joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against. Refer to here if interested. Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above. What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation. #1 Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK. However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation. Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this. Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2. This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again. Regarding items in red. The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question; there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me. Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure. None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] + On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote: You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer... -eyes Conversion- On February 06 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? :o On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- You're not Conversion. On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that. On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation". On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote: Did I? On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations. On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. @Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not. I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose. In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up. On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote: I honestly don't care if you see it or not. Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels, either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game. #2 Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree. However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting. On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless. On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting. The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here. + Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote: As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion. On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? #3 I have 2 core issues here. A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean. However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean. B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum. This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read. This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out. Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play. But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda. This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin. + Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote: [...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor. [...] On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote: hi tina Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment Humour or passive aggression? On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote: Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive? [.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..] On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote: Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. Item #4 So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure. However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg. ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia. This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2. I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further. Non of that is apparent. Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town. The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no? + Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] + On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote: Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually. On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: Was thinking nothing about her posts but that actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote: Why? On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote: Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote: Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. | ||
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On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote: why thank you.Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep I want to hear other perspectives, so do you have any thoughts on why the points I raised (or did not raise) may not indicate mafia? | ||
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On February 06 2018 10:11 Conversion wrote: I wouldnt say I am suspicious of HF at this point, still just actively paying attention to what he does.what's your point on HF with his choice of words then? he generally does this every game.. maybe I'll meta dive The problem I have with his "pointless comment' interjection is to me it is just as likely to be: - a witty comment thrown out as any alignment - SK trying to block talk about SK - mafia trying to shit-stir - town genuinely annoyed with the convo. i.e. I dont lean any particular way; other than its a note of reference for me to consider if HF pings harder on my radar. | ||
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On February 06 2018 10:15 Conversion wrote: Fair callHer possibly not being mafia isn't related to your points, it's that I have no idea where the other half of the pool of players stand that's nagging me in the back of my mind. | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote: Thank you.Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding. Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game What do you find simple about it? Do you interpret my outcomes differently? Do you think my analysis is flawed? | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote: More importantly; considering the bolb, what do you make of the interaction between rsoultin and I?I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:38 darthfoley wrote: i dont understand how you can brush off what im writing: when you state i am possibly scum; and the person I am writing about looks scummy.I don't think either of you look particularly townie, but she looks scummy. I kind of skip past lots of your wall of text posts. Fwiw I think conversion's intro sounded kind of forced but the way rsoultin called it out seemed scummy. Like something opportunistic mafia might latch onto to have "something." Waiting for half the game to play. I don't really have any Town reads yet I dont have a problem if you think my "wall of text" is simple; but I would appreciate if you can highlight why that is so. | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote: This is peculiar reasoning as there are many reasons to explain what you observe. Im not sure why you are default latching onto worst-case option, in addition to not reading my content in detail.Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make Again.. why do you keep bringing up my previous game. What is actually similar to you? You have slung shit, and now I would like you to back up the assertion. | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote: I still dont understand.1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic 2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out 3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point) On one hand rsoultin tells should not apply yet as game is young On the other hand, mocsta tells apply because the game is young? Again, you suggest mocsta and rsoultin are scummy. You think the case is simple - is it intentionally flawed to bus; or accuse an innocent? | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote: Hi ritokyhf town not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi what makes conv brown? | ||
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On February 06 2018 11:59 darthfoley wrote: I simply dont agree, but reviewing my game is something anyone can do if they are actually concerned about my alignment.Worst case scenario? Trfel asked me a question and I answered it briefly. I haven't slung shit. I said you're reminding me of your recent scum game. I have stated why: your posts that are more than one paragraph are nitpicky and long winded for no reasons. Especially ironic considering you called Conversion nitpicky. This is why I asked if this is how you play town. Im disappointed with you Darth. | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote: or serial killed lolhis questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. I can see where you are going with the comment though. I havent seen enough to suggest a lean. Is the rsoultin read based on anything in particular; or a even/or with conversion? | ||
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On February 06 2018 12:42 Trfel wrote: Hi trfel,Mocsta, I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what you're saying in your case on rsoultin. Is this a correct summary? #1: Rsoultin isn't attempting to discern raynpelikoneet's motives #2: Inconsistency with respect to whether or not the serial killer discussion is actually important #3: Passive-aggressively throwing suspicion at other players while giving a way out #4: Not attempting to find mafia between Conversion and Holyflare If those are wrong, then don't bother with the following questions. I looked (very briefly) at rsoultin's last game that you linked, how is a post like this different from what you're seeing in this game with respect to the passive-aggressive play and pushing suspicion? I'm not seeing a significant difference. Also I am not sure what makes you think that rsoultin thinks there is mafia between Conversion and Holyflare in the first place? Or am I missing that? #1 to #3 is correct interpretation. Re: previous game I don't see a similarity inclusive of the post you linked. That particular post during the early game divulges some insight in paying attention across the whole slew of posters. I dont believe there is any blatant misrepresentation that game of people forming a "bandwagon" either. Having said that, I dont want to focus exclusively on past games, as it was never intended as a meta case. It was merely a supporting component. As for #4 To be frank, I interpretted it as a freudian slip however I am cognizant this could be confirmation bias. Given the prior narrative never committed along the mafia association, I am inclined to interpret this exchange as she was thinking about mafia risks/actions at the time. The bias being that: Realistically mafia are the most concerned about SK on Day1. Need to plan to not shoot (as can assume there is a 1-shot vest); and also not being shot by SK. The other reason I quoted item #4 was because of how she was starting to throw shit my way by saying i joined a bandwagon. 2 people out of 13 or whatever it is, is hardly a bandwagon. She is highly exaggerating circumstances to influence perception. I find this to be a scummy means of diverting pressure before it leads to a wagon. | ||
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On February 06 2018 13:24 Trfel wrote: Appreciate you looking through it anyways.@Mocsta, thanks for explaining. I will let the meta point drop. I'm really sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say for #4. If it's really important I can try again, otherwise I don't really agree with your read right now so I don't think it's significant. I read through the game again, and Im not as certain as I was prior either - perhaps because this discussion with conversion has (in a good way) taken me off focusing on myself. Having said that, I personally see sufficient change between this and last game to maintain my vote - even though its not a meta case! Do you see anything sinister with DF? Im struggling to understand his logic (in particular related to me); however, I also think that he is too accepting of the spotlight to be mafia vibes. | ||
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did my point #2 make sense? Thats one of my biggest concerns, and i didnt see you note that. | ||
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I read it again, and im nodding my head. so meh. dunno where to go with this. | ||
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On February 06 2018 07:00 Conversion wrote: Im also interested in what this was leading?@HF, Post from rayn that made you vote him for now is not typical strong-headed rayn, but it is overblown mafia rayn trying too hard to look like town rayn? or are you just objectively saying this is overblown mafia post | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote: Im not a fan of this.I'm tired and I'm just going to say two things. 1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. 2) I guess the language is at fault with me when I said I sheeped. I should have stated that I was joining Mocsta's wagon. His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter (to which, you have questioned I believe). This is because to me rayn looks normal, but HF thinks it is overblown so I wanted clarification It appears you dont agree with my reasoning; however, I did ask you to identify flaws and instead: you chose to extend a vote based on joke nitpicking, whilst brushing off responsibility by commenting half the thread hasnt voted. | ||
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On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote: Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there. But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument.. hmm, i agree the ritoky thing could equally be in jest. but i find it damning that you had to "gloss over your filter" in order to confirm your position. I agree with trfel that you are suspicious. I need to read a serial killer game. | ||
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Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol I wonder why you dont think they are related? I still comment on passive aggression. The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read. I wrote a wall of text because A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part. Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion. This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic. Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation. P.S you are super town to me | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is a polite translation; but essentially is correct.This post is very confusing to me. Can someone with better english tell me what this actually means because to me it reads "i misread my filter and made a wrong conclusion because of it". | ||
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"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. | V Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there. Conversion was caught out indicating he agreed with everythign I wrote, yet refused to vote for content i submitted - instead coming up with a novel alternative. | ||
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Would a scum be so brazen to act like this? I think hes too confident in spotlight to be best lynch option | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:08 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- I was just attempting to address your case and wondering if that was confirmation bias vs. scum throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what would stick, when you do this. What on earth in my last few posts changed your mind? lol You will die @ end of Day2 GG HF | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:32 rsoultin wrote: Believe the mechanic.-snorts- First, doubtful any mechanic like this would even be in the game. Second, if there were and if you were actually town, you using it less than 24 hours into D1 would be the height of hypocrisy. Third, I'll enjoy watching them lynching you if it's real when I flip Lesson learnt: Never nuke a town rsoul, bby Though this does actually make me think you could be town for the reaction fishing -flicks- One caveat is I get 1 disarm. Shame I dont plan to use it. And P.S. bbygurl. bombing you wont lead to my lynch. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote: This I agree with. Especially with how he calls me scum in both games.I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today. Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you. Rayn and truffle are town. DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum. What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote: I dont think it was blatant.truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote. conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote. nothing else interesting. I was here at the time and wasnt sure if he was campaigning a vote or having fun. | ||
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if you are planning to ignore my case by shitting on it for "length" then at least have the courtesy of addressing point#2. | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:27 Holyflare wrote: are you seeing commonality between this game and prior?I don't agree with your "she's dismissing me" points and the points about her picking out a sk of all things. I agree that her tone feels off and she isn't doing much to figure things out from this barrage though. That's about it. | ||
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my Introverted Intuition is predicting Damdred will be lynched 2 Day1s in a row. Yes, such a long post absence smells ripe of classic scum struggles to post. | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:11 rsoultin wrote: I actually skimmed through your 2 most recent scum games before i considered making a case. I didnt see similarity to the town game. However, I intentionaly dont give much credence to "meta" as you havent played in a year, and people evolve in general (not just in the game of mafia).First off, I'm not shitting on it for length. It's difficult for me to follow in many cases. And I'm not sure what exactly you want me to address in point 2. I've already explained where my head was at. I found it weird enough to prod Conv for reactions but not worth pursuing. You're right that I didn't go Look at me I found an amazing sign that Conv is scum \o/ Because I hadn't. Nor did I ever attempt to sell it as that. Nor was it a look at me I'm so towny generating content \o/. I'm one of the spammiest mafiosos on this site, and you may not know that, but everyone who has played with me a fair amount does. It's simply not something I'd try to sell as any alignment. I'm town. You'll see it or you won't. Or you're scum. I really don't give a fuck. If you're town here (and I think you are given you didn't just sit there on your silly bomb nonsense once I ignored you) you decided I was scum just for poking Conv in the first place on his SK joke and have been looking at everything through the lens of my being scum since. If you're good, you'll get untunneled. If you're not, whatever. Im still finding your tone unfriendly compared to last game and I really doubt this is a thing specifically to do with me. Now, going back to point #2 which is related to this quote: On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote: Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point? If the bold above states you werent intending to say "im so towny".. what were you trying to accomplish with this? | ||
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On February 06 2018 19:49 rsoultin wrote: ahhh, total misinterpretation.Oh, while looking for who asked that...point 4 is just entirely wrong, Mocsta. I was saying that I expected Conversion to call HF mafia in his joke, and what caught my attention was that he didn't. This had nothing to do with my reads on either of them. m'bad. | ||
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On February 06 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote: ita pretty obvious why he isnt.Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post. Its the same reaaon i havent. However. Why have you not voted df? | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:12 darthfoley wrote: LOLI started to think about how his comparison of my last game (I was scum) and this game is not accurate. He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong. There have also been many whisperings of scum DF so it's the type of read I could see a mafia making to blend in with the crowd and see if it's worth pursuing later. Plus he wrote a fucking essay on rsoultin saying like two sentences. See my Mocsta irritation I dont think you are playing like last game. However, I also find you are less globally transparent than your recent town games in the database. What I continue to not understand is: You think I am scum for Reasons XYZ. Are you not concerned that it has been me suggesting you are not scum - for being comfortable in the spotlight? The way you talk about me, at the very least, I would expect you to latch onto this stuff. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:18 darthfoley wrote: Thank you.##Vote:Rsoultin Flock to the shepherd, my sheep! | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:20 darthfoley wrote: errrrrrr....I'm probably gonna unvote rsoultin if Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta stay on her. Bad company right there Im bussing Rsoultin ok.. stay boi. stay | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:21 darthfoley wrote: This is my problem with you this game, if you are town.Talking about Rayn's read on me, not yours. Your question suggests that mafia never white knight someone. You defending me has no alignment indication, especially when 3-4 people have floated my name. You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome. Why does it have to be so black and white? Im really perplexed by this. | ||
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I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go. Maintaining on rsoultin pros: 1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason. 2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon. Maintaining rsoultin cons: 1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy. 2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered. Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option. mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game. df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking) rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position. conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK. other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote: Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own. The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent). Pray tell me though. Do you see anything towny about damdred so far? Flu or not. Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:28 ritoky wrote: Hes commenting beyond the "wall of text"I am confused....isn't the reason he doesn't like you because he feels you made a mountain out of a mole hill and basically made an unnecessary wall of text trying to enforce a felony for what he felt was a misdemeanor? How exactly is that filter manipulation? | ||
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On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote: i can rescind 1min before deadline.Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? 5 votes now, doesnt mean 5 votes @ deadline. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote: I didnt even know Rels was in this game lol.I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg. Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him. Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So... 1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good? 2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse? I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you? DF is really salty, and I was treating that as enjoying spotlight, but perhaps is just bitter prick about being scum twice in a row. You are continuing to misconstrue everything I say. I havent decided Damdred is the best lynch. hmmmm, im starting to see rsoultin/damdred/df team with conversion as SK. | ||
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On February 07 2018 09:42 Holyflare wrote: LOL.. didnt realise that either.Literally says normal in the thread title. Maybe should have read that. ##Disarm: rsoultin lololol | ||
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On February 07 2018 09:30 Holyflare wrote: Yes, insert "whether"I mean you literally write you are considering Damdred the best day 1 lynch. What I think you meant is you are considering whether he is the best day one lynch. To me, both are the same; i.e. I havent drawn a definitive conclusion. Anyways, going to ignore the now, and focus on a 3rd person re-read. | ||
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DF: I am curious why you lump (Damdred, prplhz, Rels, mderg) together, presumably as a log of 1-posters.I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg. Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him. mderg doesnt belong in this category. Rels doesnt belong in this category. His post is completely NAI, and any proposed lynch this way is a veiled policy lynch. prplhz is playing within my expectation for either alignment. Damdred remains by default. DF: I don't care whom claims credit, I more care the points are a direct re-hash.Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So... 1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good? 2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse? I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you? I dont agree with your dichotomy. | ||
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On February 06 2018 23:13 prplhz wrote: so ritoky is town because he shares similar reads and timing; but trfel you dont like?I town read ritoky because our reads sort of overlap as well as their timing. I don't like Trfel but I guess I'm the only one. His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up. I also don't like this question about Koshi because ritoky's read on Koshi was obviously based one just one single post with no real content, of course it wasn't serious or anything. Not reading too much into the rsoultin/raynpelikoneet thing. For now they're both town. Did you know trfel indicated ritoky is town because they also shared similar reads at similar points in time? It appears you are aware of this because you add the tidbit about trfel should be firing up. I would like to know what about trfel indicates he should fire up - because everything you are stating indicates trfel/ritoky should both be town. | ||
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On February 07 2018 07:42 Trfel wrote: Like.. what you are slamming Koshi for, is just as applicable to you..Could lynch rsoultin, darthfoley, maybe Koshi. Darthfoley has been extremely underwhelming but I don't think that makes him mafia; more concerned that he is suspicious and willing to lynch a ton of people and it doesn't look like he's thinking about it at all. With Koshi, I don't like how he's voting for mderg but hasn't said any reason why. He did however say why he doesn't like prplhz (which pending explanation I don't think was a good reason). If he wants to lynch mderg, why wouldn't he explain why? Or if he is suspicious enough of prplhz to explain it, why doesn't he vote for him? In addition, he went from leaning town to green, bold town on rsoultin for seemingly no reason. The reasons he gave to fully townread rsoultin were present from the very start of the game, when Koshi left rsoultin out of his first set of townreads and only later made her even a town lean. Rsoultin didn't say much at all in between these posts, certainly little to warrant a read switch like that. But I know that it's Koshi. What do others think about him? | ||
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On February 06 2018 15:00 Conversion wrote: I have read this trfel/conversion exchange a few times and think both are town (possibly conversion moreso than trfel).Right, but making arguments such as "Conversion is trying to get others to vote for rsoultin," and then quoting something that isn't clearly me trying to get others to pile on to rsoultin is just that. I'm not mad or frustrated, I just don't get why it goes from good point about something -> far fetched argument, saying I'm inconsistent in saying that I wasn't trying to get others to vote rsoultin when I really wasn't. I'm going to get some sleep anyways. I want to see what others have to say. Ending the night with decent confidence in you and Mocsta being town isn't bad for me at all. I agree trfel overplayed that point. (However, this is only applicable to trfel who at this point is coming across as a super-deep analytical player whom should know better). The way conversion handled it by pointing it out but not shitting on trfel is what makes me feel good about the exchange. TLDR: I think a mafia conversion that is town reading trfel would simply answer the question. & conversion odd filter comments could legitimately be tiredness. Heck as mafia i dont check my filter, so perhaps its more a personality thing than alignment thing. | ||
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On February 07 2018 13:52 Trfel wrote: This type of comment makes me paranoid as it seems very preemptive.Nothing from rsoultin, no one really pushing anything else... @Mocsta, I was slightly town on rsoultin, as seen here. I was convinced by Conversion's reasoning, what he said made a lot of sense to me. Koshi posted his new read change with old reasoning from the start of the game. To me that's suspicious. You can think of me what you want, I'm just curious what you think of Koshi. I pinged you about rsoultin because you "snuck" a vote in, but nothing was stated in thread. I cant recall anythign Koshi has posted other than some old filters I ignored. Will update opinion once I conclude re-read. | ||
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I want to ask you some more questions, but im concerned they are already answered in the thread (e.g. i didnt realise conversion made addition points about rsoultin as you ?alluded? before) However, I am immediately curious about your position conversion. Yesterday he was a scum lean. Today, I assume you changed your mind because of his rsoultin rationale. And voted rsoultin. NOW, you have unvoted rsoultin; how does that influence the read on conversion? | ||
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On February 06 2018 16:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred responded. However, you answered the question for him.Mocsta, while your case is essentially all correct i do not think that in general makes anyone mafia. At least all the points. However since you haven't played that much with Tina it makes sense you make a case like that. The point i find most damning about her is that the argument is towards me. I specifically asked for Damdred because he is one of the players who can actually understand the following point. The feeling i get from rsoultin's posts is that he is trying to downplay me, for a reason i don't understand at all. Especially the comments "You were unable to leave it alone" and "lacking a sense of humor" make me feel like she thinks i am stupid or something, when in fact i asked a perfectly reasonable (and correctly predicted -- i mean in a sense that she DID have a point) question. But when the answer finally came i should have let it go earlier (why?) or learn some humor (why? it wasn't a joke). The real problem isn't her saying so, it is her saying so towards a player she herself claims calls her mafia for stupid reasons when she is town -- aka, if you felt like that you should never ever act this way towards the player because the end result is what you claim "always happens". What you should do, is that when that player interacts towards you you are precise in your answers to prevent that from happening. And that was not all she did, she even threw some gas into the flames by saying things that were not only incorrect but from my opinion only designed to irritate. Damdred knows this, i believe he knows this from this exact point of view. Which is why i wanted his opinion. Are you satisfied? | ||
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On February 06 2018 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now that you are online. i shall take advantageI also think Trfel is quite obviously town. mderg is probably town too and giving it a bit more thought Conversion too. how come? | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:24 rsoultin wrote: rsoultin, im starting to buy into this a bit.^ This But not so much the wall of text thing. More the, Joni thinks she's scum, let me add my hipster reason to it. Though I could just be extra paranoid after townreading him all last game on clouds and rainbows. So actually not this. I think it's likely he just thinks that way and it's NAI, the walls of text in place of succinct. but im confused what is actually hipster how about how i joined "rayn". dare i say, i posted "scum right here" as i was reading thread. hence, before i saw rayn and you post. | ||
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On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: you should read detention mafia scum game, or whatever its called.while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). | ||
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i mean.. i find it hard to read darthfoley cos i feel everything is unwarranted. If a lot of strong players are targettign rsoultin i think its very plausible to not have a strong follow up (as either alignment). im still only halfway through my re-read, but im trying to ask myself that everytime i see her post and i do feel less strong about her compared to yesterday. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote: So im leaning scum?I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point. What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote. however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you. with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote. damdred is scum with you i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus. | ||
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i have no issue with Ritoky at this point. I think hes honest with not playing like this before and being to the point. Would be a 1 or 2 on the ritoky scale. | ||
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i was ready to give you a chance and this just makes no sense as a play other than mafia toying around before death. | ||
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On February 07 2018 18:46 rsoultin wrote: I most certainly did not (or intended it to be taken that way). I will PM you about this after the game.This was how I was interpreting EQ as well, to be clear. Yes he called me the equivalent of emotionally stupid in his scum QT. That sort of thing sticks in my memory. For fucks sake. I opened my case with how much I respect your play. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, i think this is right. #unvote ##vote darthfoley the dude scumreads me for the same reasons he townread me earlier. it is so fucking terrible it has to be mafia. idk, rsoulting can be mafia too but this is just too unbelieveable. no. not a suitable day1 vote. Damdred all the way I am also at the point of wanting to read a prplhz scum game again i dont like at all he predicted town rayn/rsoultin early on. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: excuse me? what is not alignment indicative?now you are getting bad points for doing something that hasn't anything to do with alignments. On February 07 2018 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: and.. you are 1 vote of 13. get used to ppl not sucking you off.If you wanna lynch someone else than DF i am infroming you you are gonna do it without me. | ||
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##Vote: Rayn I was sitting on fence with you; because I thought you were driving good discussion. But everything is OMGUS. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:21 Koshi wrote: Its a terrible post and terrible dichotomyThis post is good rayn. Depends on how red our lynchbait people are. But the post is good. its also the same reasoning behind why rels got lynched as town. ppl do stuff they are shamed to admit all the time. | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:45 Koshi wrote: i find this post good.imo the townies this game are destroying each other. Which is fine if you come to a point we all sing kumbaya together in the end. My point on prplhz is good. Him having a problem with the bad tr from df on me without having a problem with me is also slightly more mafia. Mderg is super sideline like others have been saying. Me first though. He has no original thoughts and have had the solo "I am tired I dont want to play" post mafia makes more often than town. Damdred could be a butterfly who is now sleeping as a cocoon. But he could be mafia easily as well. Very easily. Rels w.e. We cant know. yes, im going to legitimately vote mderg. that summarises quite well what i have been feeling. ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg as an aside, i can accept a town!DF thinking im scum. Hes quite a pussy as scum so I can see him being cautious of me. Rsoultin.. hmm, i dunno to be honest. Even though I legit pocketed her last game, I expect her personality to brush that off as "lesson learned" and not keep injecting "ohhh. im so cautious of this and that"..but thats my prediction on her behaviour and i should treat it as that. | ||
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I did the same thing as him last game but compeletly different delivery and intent That post has no value as scum. It really doeant | ||
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On February 07 2018 19:57 darthfoley wrote: I really want to townread you for this comment alone lol Now you see the light There is no vader here. Tell me about mderg puh leaae | ||
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The thing i find odd with trfel is that he spent all this time deeply analysing conversion and darthfoley to then sheep conversion read. However he has not performed any deep analysos on rsoultin. This to me is non characyeristic. | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:07 darthfoley wrote: lol yeah that makes aense actually.Regarding mderg, I've made a few posts already about how disconnected he is in the game. It's actually one of the biggest question marks I have on rayn and HF. For so long they railed on me for "not being involved in the game" while seemingly ignoring mderg who has been around to post but hasn't. This reason especially comes off as a bad reason to townread Mocsta. I think you could Town read Mocsta for a few reasons that I could buy as genuine beliefs, but I have not thought to myself, "you know what, Mocsta really knows where he's going this game." It almost feels like a TMI spew town read if mderg flips mafia He probably legit doesnt understand what im saying so doesnt know how to twist it into saying im scum. Ok. I will read detention again | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote: talking to me?Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still.. I believe your arguments are wrong That sounds so icky. Who cares if my argument is wrong Care if its intentional | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote: tell me. Is rayn always so self centred?To me Trfel has come across as Question Master who struggles to produce original or accurate content Ps. I like HF this game. Same vibe as last | ||
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Koshi Hf Darthfoley Conversion Nullish -2 to +4 Ritoky Rayn Rsoultin Rels Trfel Prplhz Scummy -5 Mderg Damdred | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:16 Koshi wrote: analytical ppl can be wrong. So bad scumreads dont make him mafia either.No to df. That is the reason rayn scumreads df. About tfrel: I am bad at reading people like that. So I cant comment. You say his focus is deliberately focussed on some people while ignoring others? In this case ignoring rsoultin. Maybe. What I see is that he is playing the game trying to solve it. I do not see mafia intention behind how he solves it. I do believe all his scumreads are wrong, but I dont think it makes him mafia. Its more he set the standard as deep and inciteful. I had to read thr conversion/trfel posts like 3 to 4 times cos i just dont view the game that deep on a filter by filter level. Bht once i got it.. it all made sense so im like. What a town motherfucker. This is real content. Then to see this guy casually vote someone on the sheep and withoit interrogsting them.. thata just not congruent with what i would expect.. In short. He came across as super original And ended up as a copy paster. Whilst hr can agree with a good case. I still expect him to do his own homework on it. Instead there ks none of this deep insight into why rsoultin is scum | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:18 darthfoley wrote: Rayn claims to like mderg for focusing on the right thingS (plural) when his whole filter exists in the echo chamber of "rsoultin is scum" thread sentiment reads. He has made one comment on me (with no conclusion) and one townread on Mocsta for wrong reasons. Could be down to lynch. But I also get the willies that rsoultin's wagon is starting to face some pressure. Mafia would be likely to sit on their hands and do nothing if she's Town. to be determined I disagree I wrote repeatedly in qt that i always want an alternative wagon second 24hrs so people dont get itchy. I think its more a town tell . If mafia. I thinm optimal play is to either fight before it is a wagon or bus it outright | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:30 Koshi wrote: Coolio. I believe you. I very easily townread you for some reason. And I havent been wrong yet. But I think you never been mafia. Anyway. Last 3 games I tr you fast and correct. Lol This is a funniest comment nomination Me and darth were scum together last game... you knlw.. brutal bus everyome was talking about | ||
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Prplhz was playing against thread sentiment by shitting on trfel to make a black truffle. Yoy said you liked this about prplhz.. and i believ it lined up with yoyr read. So of leaning town.. does this influence prplhz read? | ||
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Why is there resistanxe to damdred... How can he say tina is not her town self Then say i should be ashamed of myself. I was the primary pusher of tina.. wtf? | ||
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On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote: i dont think thag is accurate unleas referring to being bored by a predetermjned lynch.Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. Im disappointed with you mderg | ||
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On February 07 2018 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or mby you should wait until d2 and lynch unccd vigilante who shot mafia because someone talked about sk. That would make my day. Im hatter not vig | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:28 Koshi wrote: There are 10 more posts in the thread about that. It has nothing to do with skimming. You are just filling your filter and not solving the game. You cannot miss all the fucking posts about this. Sigh. I agree. Really stuck on where to vote before i go to bed I was willing to give rsoultin a chance but now she is just wasting it on filter commentary. Mderg list post feels disconnected which he even comments on. Im happy with a vote on rsoultin mderg or damdred I think its good there 4 or 5 people with votes. Tug of war that is split this hard means at least one wagon is mafia in my opinion. Im going to read mderg and tina past game now to finalise vote | ||
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On February 07 2018 22:34 Conversion wrote: I will agree with this. That was not a good post at all from mderg. Im lazy and this is good enough for me to go to bed on I also realised tina may feel pressures to magically generate reada before lynch. Magically because when ppl tunnel yoy. You foxus on them and it can be hard to have reads worth sharing. I am willing to give tina another day. Good night. My vote stays with mderg | ||
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On February 07 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote: whose the martyr?I don't particularly understand but we vote martyrs in this here town. | ||
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On February 08 2018 05:07 Holyflare wrote: awesome lynchI'm confirmed yo I knew it already in my bones | ||
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How am i still on your scum list How can you be such an idiot Team is probably rsoultin an damdred Damdred thinking im scum is almost as disgraceful as you | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote: Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment. Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet? Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange. Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way. Tickles you furrher So i bussed mderg 8 hrs from lynch with no need.. lol Gtfo The list was a disgrace. Much like this post | ||
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On February 08 2018 06:46 ritoky wrote: casually lynching mafia on my birthday. framer implies cop. cop should be on rsoul, green gives us 6 or 7 confirmed. red gives us 2 mafia in 2 days; both are pretty unlosable scenarios. gonna try to finish my nap before birthday dinner, cya tomorrow. Love it <b>bomb: damdred</b> | ||
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On February 08 2018 02:58 Conversion wrote: pointless nowI don't see a stark difference between mderg between this game and last game, to be honest. Besides his list posts, but even then it's just put more formatting/words in versus not. is this list post from Newbie. But is completely different All no idea had barely posted as was still mid day1 Takes a stand on everyone else | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:00 Damdred wrote: get lostFirstly, I dont talk to people in a disrespectful way and I expect even if someone disagrees with something I said to speak to me the same way I would speak to them. Now at the time I made this post I was not sure what way I was flowing and tried to interact with people about my reads. So yes I thought you could potwnrially be scum for the way you are soft pushing me for being sick. And so I had no way of knowing wat mderg would flip. Which yes at least foe tommorow everyone on mderg is town. Your first post in this game was disrespectful to me Ps its only going to amp up from here buddy Btw love the insertion of "good only for tomorrpw" - so townie of you | ||
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I dont you hammered. It will come down to why you hammerrd. Pfft. Everyone safe lol | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:14 Damdred wrote: Actually its a good rule of thumb to look outside the mafia wagon the day after they lynch mafia as not all mafia bussed. But in this case I dont think any bussed. Rsoultin willl be thw second scum due to how mderg acted. DF was an actual counterwagon or they tried to make him one which might point to an afk partner i guess? Eh im rambling now i guess and thats not what you were askif anyway. I liked it though Keep it up | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote: This is a weird way to do VCA.. where are the people who left wagons?mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin Not Voting (1): Rels ritoky as explained. trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo. koshi's eod seems to make sense. holyflare as explained. prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either. conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too. rest i need to look at again On February 08 2018 05:02 Skynx wrote: Much more useful.Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): prplhz (1):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): Not Voting (1): Rels I thought Damdred hammered mderg before. and I thought HF was green long before hammer. This is my biased VCA based on reads I had before the lynch. Rsoultin voting looks TERRIBLE. accuses me of throwing spaghetti to see what sticks, but this appears to be the epitomy. Its actually possible that scum is {mderg, rsoultin, Rels} lol.... | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:30 disformation wrote: I dont think so. The only people that could have bussed a scum!rsoultin is me + rayn.that whole wagon was weird. eod too. which is why i thought it was tvt. like it picked up fairly fast like (i partly blame that nothing else was really going on) and then went to a point where it was kinda meh, but nobody wanted to do anything. then came mdergs bad list and ppl were starting to hop onto that. then there was a bit of waffling and/or ppl not caring between either. at some point ppl decided on which side they wanted to be. partly because no good/big third idea came. then BOTH dont vote to save themselves. like really didnt expect a scum flip out of that one. though i guess the logical conclusions are indeed: a) both wagons scum b) scum had 0 thread presence i guess it is not impossible that someone bussed really hard for really no reason? but imo the whole building up of that wagon doesnt really feel like that? I never backed down from rsoultin because I thougth she was town. i backed down because I acknowledged she was put in a position that didnt allow her to show town colours. i.e. damned if you, damned if you dont. Rayn, I just dont understand why he would follow up again on rsoultin if both are scum. There was no legitimate need. I think its highly unlikely both of us bussed. | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote: thats interesting actually.The lynch pool for tomorrow is always rayn/damdred/conversion. The vigi should shoot into rayn/damdred The cop shoot investigate into rayn/damdred/rsoultin/conversion (btw if you are cop there is a miller, don't claim d2 or I murder you) The doc should save me. But he wont. Cuz that is how life goes. framer probably makes it unlikely that there is a godfather. but to compensate, a miller could make a lot of sense. If so, well played Koshi. Last time I was self-aware miller, I claimed in first post. But you played it well. I have no doubt if you came up red that you are town. im hesitant for vig to fire tonight on possibility of SK. Could potentially lose 3 townies in 1 night.. I think risk is too high. Its highly likely mafia still have an RB.. which is more valuable than framer because of SK and is probably rsoultin lololololol.. explains the immediate early day1 draw to SK insertion. | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:08 disformation wrote: Im seeing a different layer.lets see if i can explain. with the others he does kinda like this brief summary or is like "cant remember" what they did. with conversion he is like "i cant remember shit, but have to write stuff so i can give him a pass". imo there is just this disconnect between "not very memorable" and "resonate very well". bonus point: his trfel thing is also fairly focused on conversion. so he seems to be aware about stuff around conversion. does that make sense to you? (1) Conversion was rsoultin lynch choice prior (2) His comments on conversion are about resonating with rsoultin. ie. the commonality is not conversion, but instead, rsoultin! | ||
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On February 08 2018 07:31 Koshi wrote: k. Mderg played "poor" but if you are town he made you look so bad. wow... you are almost an autolynch. That being said. I have not seen a mafia look so incredible fucking horrible while a teammate was getting lynched. The "too scummy to be scum" heuristic is here in full force. VER: Too scummy to be scum is a terrible heuristic dont drink the cool-aid! | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:20 disformation wrote: I wrote poorly, apologies, as im jumping to a prediction/conclusion.hum? "but his points on rsoultin resonate very well with me". still read it as "i really like his points on rsoultin" (implying he likes conversion and dislikes rsoultin) so dont think (2) is true? I view mderg as struggling to speak anything meaningful. He has this stupid vague list post, yet, can agree about rsoultin.. how specific and peculiar? my jumping conclusion (i.e assumption) is because he knows rsoultin is scum, so believes it. apologies. | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:34 darthfoley wrote: <3At least I can put aside my paranoia on Mocsta for a couple of days I will treat this as a compliment. ok, i will stop shitting the thread with half-formed thoughts. time to read what happened from p35 onwards. ciao | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:37 Koshi wrote: well, i liked how he shut down trfel without overly shitting on him.And rereading Conversion his filter it isn't that awesome. Thread sentiment just called him town for no reason I think. Tfrel put some pressure on him and he didn't look bad under it. That is true. in hindsight, maybe a bad heuristic. as mafia, you may want to shut down trfel WITHOUT pissing him off.. that way he backs off and digs elsewhere. You would only want to shit on him, if you setting up to get him voted off. hmmmmm, i also did like your conversion posts. OK, i shall re-read him starting at null instead of town. You have successfully influenced me. | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:40 Conversion wrote: alright I give up. I’m AFK voting myself D2 and moving on. gg gl town kk ##bomb: Conversion | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:42 Koshi wrote: Damdred/rayn/Conversion. They have nothing going for them. Lynch into them tomorrow. I would be surprised if there isn't a mafia on the mderg lynch though. Let's say it's ritoky (amagad I always pick ritoky). The sweet kred this guy got. Tell me why rsoultin wouldn't do that? So sweet. So yummy. And then town!HF wouldn't change his vote because he couldn't be the hero. And town would look at HF. Shit like that. rsoultin town. Believe it for 2 days. On February 08 2018 05:02 Skynx wrote: I know. I said I would wait to read the vote buildup before posting, but when reviewing vote order, i realised your list of 3 candidates for tomorrow intersects with rsoultin.Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): prplhz (1):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): Not Voting (1): Rels mderg is the lynch. The oddity sticking out to me is that if mafia all-ined on town!rsoultin (i..e if mderg swung a vote) he may have lived another day... I would have thought its worth it even for a town!rsoultin flip. I mean what reward is there for not all-in'ing.. its the same outcome. wagon looks bad. So now lost a mafia for nothing. I am not aware if mderg town read rsoultin formally to prevent his vote going there; but it seems unlikely based on the conversion discussiosn prior. I suppose this supports the idea of mafia having 1 vote elsewhere. mderg may be likely. and im will check ritoky specifically whether he posted content post mderg-vote. Its possible it was an easy peace-out never expected to gain traction if he subsequently AFK'd. just a tidbit i had to voice out. | ||
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On February 08 2018 08:46 Damdred wrote: Not sure this means what I have interpreted. I suspect its the lesser intention lol. actually both are bad for different reasons.Koshi you usually can read me pretty well, is it juat our disagrement about tinas alignment at this point? @conversion baby boy come back and play. Do as your papa damdred says or you get the wood later. me no likey | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:47 Damdred wrote: I cannot decipher whom this is related to?Well he wasnt doing the thing that makes him an easy townread when i was in thread anyway. After reading his later content he did a couple of the things so hes probably town. I think the conversion (indirectly) applies to rsoultin question to prplhz about mderg: On February 08 2018 03:40 rsoultin wrote: If so.. this is REALLY bad post for Damdred.I don't want to lynch Truffle. You and Rels are mostly on the same level for me. So...meh. Why isn't mderg scum, prp? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26910859 post in question | ||
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It was Ritoky. One post in filter down. Sorry + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:  I cant go into to much detail or ritoky will change how he plays to mimic. He had a few posts that changed my mind about him. His last post about if we have to shenanigans onto him so be it etc., felt like a typical martyr ritoky post makes as town. That was the point where i really lost any doubt. As for initially he was a bit meh opening up and seemed lazy but I wasnt here for most of hia filter so was pretty early for me I think. | ||
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On February 08 2018 09:57 darthfoley wrote: I vibed you town from first post. Do i get to have a meta read on you too <3I've had you as town for a while bud. If I turn out to be correct this game, I will believe that you have a meta read on me in the future | ||
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The heuristic im using isnt related to his filter (which i havent dived). Rather, inmy boredom last game, i was reading recent TL games scum qt. I came across a recent game with Ritoky + Tubesock as scum. It struck out to me because whilst I couldnt be bothered to read the game to see how Ritoky was playing, he was very motivational and forward planning in the scum qt. In short, he is fully aware of the game happenings and trys to stop his team members peacing out. The heuristic being that this is a personality thing, and something that is hard (naer on impossible) to switch off even if you are "disconnected" from the game. In short, a scum!ritoky would not have let mderg be so disconnected this game - which led him to being caught in the first place. | ||
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On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote: Koshi, you are too paranoid about trfel.The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia.To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though. Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all. If this is a bus. fuck me. not only is it award worthy play, but im happy to lose the game. THERE WAS NO NEED TO FORCE A VOTE ONTO MDERG AT THIS POINT (if you think rsoultin is town); and the logic is absolutely ON POINT. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26910638 I find the mderg progression very scummy. "@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?" Why this specific afk for a call out? "shits on the list post" "baits a mderg vote COUPLED WITH A PRPLHZ VOTE" This in particular is scummy as whilst he has called for lower activity players. This is his first direct mention of prplhz who had some thread sentiment comments at the time => prplhz is a dangling carrot to move beyond mderg "reverses read on list post for meta" Damdred found it similar too, so i wont give this scum points. "weighs out rsoultin / mderg" Really bad post. www.teamliquid.net Doesnt like mderg IN GAME CONTENT, but waives it due to similarity to his last town game. See an appreciable difference in Rsoultin for INGAME CONTENT, but not enough to unvote. As a nice cherry, the "different nature showing" is probably desperation to avoid a framer lynch. Yep, no CONVERSION on this read. | ||
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This is where im at: town ritoky darthfoley rsoultin koshi holyflare trfel prplhz mafia possibilities conversion damdred raynpelikoneet unknown (i.e. havent read a single post) disinformation LOL. i just realised this 1:1 mindmelds with Koshi. awesome. GG. between damdred/rayn/disinformation.. im happy for a gut feel on rayn as 3rd option. to answer your question before darth abotu why i felt uncomfortable about ppl following me on rsoultin for not my reason, it was because of a post from rayn that said everything i said is correct but not mafia indicative, and then was piling on more pressure on rsoultin for what i did not consider a deviation from my points. It made me think i was turning into a patsy.. (this didnt line up with the dichotomy you presented, which is why i said i didnt agre with your conclusion). | ||
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The answer of you being town is already evident in our lynch pool which exceeds 2 lolololol. As for the dirty dirty WIFOM you want to throw.. well. You're pinned by how you didnt want to vote mderg. Whether mafia or SK, i dont really care. I intentionally wrote with an apostrophe so you didnt have to get nitpicky fretted. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:03 Conversion wrote: Not on the same scale whatsoever.I'm sorry I hurt your delicate flower feelings. Maybe you shouldn't dish out and tell people to stop expecting people to suck their dicks if you can't take the heat Anyways, way too tryhard to be town. Keep hamming it up. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:06 Conversion wrote: For total transparency. I have reported you.For all I care you are a useless cunt as long as you sheep Koshi on this shitty read of this. So keep trying hard and failing There is a significant difference between insulting as a joke/distraction and insulting to intimidate. Highly inappropriate to deliver this intentionally twice. | ||
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i would have posted that to you regardless of what assertions you made. you have just taken a major dump on pages 54 and 55. I exemplified that the best way I knew how. However, I would love to know why you think prplhz is PoE scum post-mderg flip. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:18 Conversion wrote: You will be less garbage if you answer my question on who your scum reads are if I flip town. my lynch pool is {Conversion, Damdred, Rayn} in no particular order. I dont see how you flipping town should create a deviation in reads? i dont call any of them scum because of you. I would like feedback on prplhz please. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:20 Conversion wrote: i dont care to think why a team makes sense. that is too much guess-work.So why does a damdred-rayn team make sense? Do you have a reason to suggest otherwise? Still would like your thoughts on prplhz? | ||
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damdred-rayn makes lots of sense because of ##623 prplhz please. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:27 ritoky wrote: I fully agree with that.. in my opinion Rayn made (what i consider to be) deceitful effort to sway people from mderg before it got traction. thats the kicker for me.well i am not lynching any1 who lynched mafia tomorrow or considering their alignment unless we wake up to a cop saying "rsoul is red". i don't really think it was mvm, i think it was mvt. i think koshi is probably lock town regardless of rsouls alignment. i think i am pretty much lock town. i think df is pretty much lock town, but i doubt others will find my reason compelling. the people who didn't lynch mafia i don't have strong inclinations toward yet. i am of 2 minds on rayn. the read he made on me he once made on me in an obs qt where he convinced the entire obs i was mafia in the f3 only to see me lynch the mafia and win, so i know it is a read he has made before from a neutral perspective (and maybe once in a game) so i read it as pretty normal and town. but then he kinda avoids mderg weirdly from what i remember considering i feel like rayn would normally just dump on him cuz he was basically an afk. but then rayn isn't the type of mafia to save his drowning teammates. but then rayn had a good excuse to stay away from drowning mderg as leader of opposing wagon. so idk that's my mind for him. damdred kinda negative on him. the read wasn't really cuz he was wrong about me....it was more cuz it felt obligatory rather than a read he wanted/cared about making. all i remember about prp is calling me town when other people weren't....so i might be misted. you and rels slot i feel the least about at this point. i know i kinda didn't like you earlier but i mostly forgot why. as leader of opposing wagon, he intervened TOO EARLY. | ||
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On February 08 2018 12:29 Conversion wrote: Im not fussed between you or Rayn to be lynched first.cool. I think you should lynch me tomorrow because I will shit up the thread without fail + you need town!Koshi to win this game and he will never let go of me being mafia. even if he says it. better to get a mislynch out earlier than not. and damdred/rayn/prp/disinfo is a v. good pool to work with I think both of you have equally awkward interactions during the mderg buildup. i dont have a particular reason to town or scum read damdred, hes more here by PoE and on par with disinformation at this point. I prob feel weakest about prplhz, so more than willing to hear what you have. | ||
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Pretty fluid thread catch up, I share some of his insights. I think in general that a scum replacement that just lost mderg would be trying to regroup. | ||
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On February 08 2018 03:35 prplhz wrote: I don't think rsoultin nor mderg are mafia. I don't like the current wagons. On February 08 2018 03:36 prplhz wrote: And I believe that I am town so that's the three most likely lynches out of the window an hour before deadline. Who's up for shennanies??? On February 08 2018 03:39 prplhz wrote: Lets lynch like Trfel or... Rels? On February 08 2018 03:58 Koshi wrote: These posts from prplhz are so minimal it takes balls to play like that as mafia. Must be said. On February 08 2018 05:03 prplhz wrote: hmmm I tend to agree with this.. So either I have balls or I'm town. Thanks for the scum read I guess! I have to accept that 5/ I guess the key thing here is consistency; as prplhz didnt advocate the (most-likely) mafia preferred rsoultin lynch. Thats a positive note in his favour (assuming town!rsoultin, or RB!rsoultin) | ||
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i shoudl be town to everyone so means nothing to me. it was more some of the observations were in sync with some i shared in thread, and some i didnt. i just really dont see the point of that as scum. I think a regroup is more important than trying to establish town cred during night phase. Its not like im calling him hard town, merely, i dont see any value for him being on the chopping block day2 over other people with specifically scummy mderg interactions. | ||
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On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote: Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote: I tend to think this is not a scum to scum interaction.Was thinking nothing about her posts but that rsuing unless nig actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me whereas, this is a REALLY out-of-place post On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote: Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game. | ||
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Conversion is not as scummy to me with context of thread. I still find the prplhz stuff "opportune"; however, I can see someone in and out @ work also being unsure how to proceed. In short, I still dont like the actions, but willing to see where this leads to. rsoultin On February 08 2018 03:28 rsoultin wrote: I dont understand why rayn is townread for being steadfast tunneled? Do you expect less from him than me? I imagine you should be equally scum reading Rayn and me.Although that does remind me that I did actually have a question for you. I think ritoky looks good this game. He and Joni are probably my biggest townreads. So what is it that you don't like about ritoky? On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: More of a NAI roadblock in my mind. I cant visualise how mderg suddenly becomes town, as the mderg progression prior was indicating you observing differences to the prior game. This doesnt come across as scummy to me, and I have a theory why you did it - but I want to hear it from you first.This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. damdred call this a stupid heuristic, but i find mderg uncharacteriscally terse here. makes me feel a lot better about damdred. On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote: Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment. On February 08 2018 04:23 mderg wrote: What's your point here? Rayn Bad post. On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Either rsoultin or df. Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum. I have no time to write more. | ||
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On February 08 2018 13:21 ritoky wrote: i would say that is fair, given the way trfel voted for mderg.truffle is really only possibly mafia with rsoul right? i seem to remember trfel not being a ruthless motherfucker when i was mafia with him one time. but then also relies on rsoultin being RB. I dont think its worth it to do it for a goon; or town cred (which trfel already had in spades) | ||
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On February 07 2018 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: No progression on how Rayn gets from this to:I am somewhere around: town Conversion Mocsta Trfel - just because i cannot understand why he is voting for Koshi Holyflare mderg Koshi Damdred Rels - cop or vig this guy prplhz ritoky darthfoley rsoultin mafia On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get that DF/rsoultin should be his first priorities.. but that his null prplhz is advocating rsoultin is town should trigger Rayn to be more inquisitive. Instead now, prplhz has shot up the town ranks.Either rsoultin or df. Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum. I have no time to write more. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:54 Conversion wrote: I am being pulled into another meeting. I will remain confident per rsoultin's call out on my play and stick with my vote. I have a good list of town reads that I will need to most likely re-evaluate during night. I hope we get more activity from the inactive players to help push town to victory. lol. robot is best way to describe this. im reading this thinking of a GPS outputting directions lol. | ||
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On February 08 2018 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: <b>bomb: rayn[/b]Mocsta. I genuinely believe Mocsta slipped because he has slipped like that before. im shaking in my boots peliko | ||
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On February 08 2018 17:49 rsoultin wrote: Tina, im quite tired of hearing this. Let me (attempt) to put your mind at ease.[..] As for mocsta...he's probably just town but I don't think I'll ever be sure of him. [..] Last game, i made 2 wall of text posts. One was to vote damdred, and the other was in Lylo as a reply. Please re look at that vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=12#226 Please look at the wall of text in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=6#119 They are not the same whatsoever. You are getting too fixated on a specific event (large post), and not being rational towards whether they are similar. You say me as a good town should back off from you.. well guess what, i did. No matter I have done, you continue to be fearful. I could have easily left my vote on you last night.. however I did not. Unless you genuinely think there is even a 5% chance I bussed, you need to get over this. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:18 rsoultin wrote: i dont want to shit the thread with this.. im saying. look at the two posts.. its actually 100% ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE.-pokes- You're confusing my issue with you with someone else. I've maintained from the beginning that this seems like NAI posting style. My issues with you are only little doubtful tickles that aren't worth repeating unless I can't find scum elsewhere. anyways, if its of any consolation I am finding you starting to have that aura back. | ||
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im disappointed. I thought you were meant to be a challenge. At least this means I have zero chance of being NK'd. | ||
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I still think your reasons to town read rayn are poor. You are essentially stating he is a terrible townie that is subject to tunneling. The thing is, you should re-read the post the rayn post below.. this was the first post that made me iffy about rayn; and of course, the whole mderg sequence of events seals the deal. For your reference, this type of mindset of how he addresses me is not very townie (or tunneled). Its why i asked later if he is this self-centered. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=10#197 | ||
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i've done it in multiple games. its only happened unintentionally in a single game (unfortunately, it happened twice in that game). If you really are concerned. i bolded a lot of shit in the scum qt from the newbie, and never in the actual game. its actually scummy for someone to even consider it beyond a joke given how it was delivered. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:07 rsoultin wrote: i thought you just agreed not to think along these lines!!!Pfft if mocsta is scum this game too I think I'm just never going to try to read him again. That or policy lynch him. On February 08 2018 20:09 rsoultin wrote: tots <3I actually think scumming with mocsta would be super fun. All kinds of crazy shit going down. | ||
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On February 08 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote: Well firstly, i take issue with the conversion town read. Lack of basis behind it and completely irrelevant to the main content of the post.. Its nitpicking but that should have been split off as a second post. Its like he wants that specifically in his filter, but to blend in....Lol. I wouldn't use those words exactly but yes Joni and I fundamentally disagree on what makes people scum. Self-centered reads are kind of his thing. That and things like inconsistencies. What is it about you that you find weird in his post? I honestly do believe that he could scumread me just for being dismissive toward him as town. Then when talking to. hes addressing me in an odd way. Hes buttering me up, suggesting he town reads me and wants to let me down easy by saying, your case is crap! e.g. "you havent played much with tina so it makes sense you make a case like that"... for me this is totally illogical. a good point is a good point regardless of whom. So when he proceeds to continue the exact same points im getting alarm bells that this is non-genuine behaviour. see.. I think a town tunneled rayn would be more than happy i was riding the same direction.. whereas this scum!rayn is trying his best to accentuate his townish traits. Further, the item about damdred is stupid because as i pointed out prior, he answered the question for damdred, so the whole exchange is useless. The ritoky thing is acceptable to discuss, but not worthy of a scum read. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:17 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- If you're town I'm going to enjoy post-game leave it hes intentionally commented on small minor things and given an mderg summary 2.0 yet has conveniently left out anything to do with the super-awesome points re: rayn + mderg prior to wagon lift off. hes just trying to get us to bloviate our filters so people cant find the real substance when digging. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Very good Mocsta. This sounds like a decent scumread, i am happy you pursued this D1 as all this information was in the thread at the time. rayn.. for you + Show Spoiler [checkmate] + On February 07 2018 19:55 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg On February 08 2018 05:04 Skynx wrote: Night 1 ![[image loading]](https://www.vendeeglobe.org/medias/03/42/34247/titre-non-renseigne-r-1680-1200.jpg) Morgan Lagravière abandons after collision with OFNI (objet flottant non-identifié) takes out his starboard rudder. You call that a fucking avarie?? You know back in the day people made a second fucking mast after getting dismasted and finished? Chat shit get banged little kid stick to small boats please. mderg, the Mafia Framer as Morgan Lagravière was lynched! This is now Night 1. You have to send night actions. Send them to both hosts please! | ||
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still makes me chuckle my favourite reaction (twas my team mate too!) On December 19 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote: wow. creative attempt. ive never seen this before o_o | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:36 rsoultin wrote: ermm. IIRC my entire point 1 was about the posts between you and him.To be fair, conversion was being discussed in the thread at the time and Joni had asked him a question. Also, maybe it's a lack of comprehension on my part but I don't recall you and Joni having the same reasons to scumread me? I thought you're was about fluidity while his was about how I treated him. I really don't like his defensiveness at my question when all he had to say was people weren't going with him in df and he had to leave, though. Also pointing to my vote moving off mderg where up until he suicides I'd been actively blocking shennannies talk. If he knew prp mentioned it, I find it strange that he didn't notice I said no to a Rels lynch right after. doesnt really matter now game has well and truly moved on. as an aside, in case i bomb myself cos of a bus driver: main reason i dont think DF is scum is because as i said before, hes not confident as scum. last game,
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On February 08 2018 22:54 Koshi wrote: I guess we lynch Damdred. Least resistance lynch. How so? No one liked me throwing a bone there yesterday I much prefer rayn on d2 | ||
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On February 09 2018 00:55 Damdred wrote: ##Vote: DamdredBefore I amswer disformation about my lunch choices for tommorow I should give some reads that i think you would ask about next. These are not in order Town: Holyflare Mocsta Koshi Ritoky Trfel These five are what I consider the pure wagon, I dont believe that a mafia was on mderg especialy with how thw votes landed. Town Reads: Disformation Conversion Rayn Idk maybe? prp scum DF Rsoultin Im just gling to write a general overview of my view of the game. First scum reads. I really believe that my first assessment of the vote is correct. The mderg wagon is pure and we had two scum up for lynch in mderg/rsoultin. Hence why they both moved near the same time for thw same reason when people were softing about jumping off. It makes the most sense why mderg just doesnt stay on rsoultin and hopes she gets another vote while she starts being suicidal. DF is a little poe, the votes on him could be distancing. His fight with HF seemed to be just cluttering up the thread with who scum read tina first. Just seemed weird then and weird now. He did mind meld with me somewhat anout the lynch which is whybI am hesitant about this at all. I talked about disformation earlier how he came into the game instantly spitting reads. A bit wifom but as scum I dont think he would as motivated there. I liked his postings and he seems like his townie self. Rayn is doing his normal thing to me, looking for inconsistoncies while pushing those as scum. Has good follow through. I also agree with his thoughts Conversion has said a lot of smart things tbh. I like his posts mostly, his fucking off mad and coming back reads like his town game to me also. I just like how he approached the game. I am only up to p66 and this is enough. This is a thread summary of arguments everyone else has put up. You agree with Rayn thoughts who scum reads are me + Rsoultin.. this is ridiculous. | ||
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On February 08 2018 20:44 Mocsta wrote: If you want to vote DF, at least have the courtesy to compare to the game from 2 weeks ago where he was scum.as an aside, in case i bomb myself cos of a bus driver: main reason i dont think DF is scum is because as i said before, hes not confident as scum. last game,
his only other case was on btdt.. whom i suggested in the QT to attack everything else is defending his position on mocsta/btdt. this game he wrong about a lot, but has no fear to put himself out there. extremely town. I truly dont see a resemblance & I think points above are extremely alignment indicative. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?user=darthfoley http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=darthfoley&view=all & scum qt for measure: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/w3PnawxdenNA | ||
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On February 09 2018 07:36 Mocsta wrote: [...DF...] & scum qt for measure: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Wi9MRz5xcsur4 Wrong link before. | ||
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On February 09 2018 05:43 Holyflare wrote: Fantastic set of observations HF. In fact if you have a scum read on mocsta during the day and he just afks on mderg at a point when mderg wasn't even getting lynched and he's in a completely different timezone that means he can't be around why wouldn't that spark your interest that maybe he could be bussing? You think there's two mafia wagons on day 1 and have just arbitrarily said all of those people are town despite multiple people on that wagon just hopping on for free credit? Your town read on me is also separated from the rest and it's really odd. I'm town because I hopped onto mderg when I did? There was no alternative in your universe. I get home from work and mafia partner mderg is up for lynch or mafia partner rsoultin is up for lynch. Why don't I get that sweet credit and save a potential roleblocker from dying? Doesn't even become part of your read at this point. I'm just town and I don't get it. | ||
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On February 09 2018 06:22 Damdred wrote: The comments on me are correct, but I dont give credits as calling me town is the easy part for scum.@Rayn, Ok here is how it is in my mind. Mocsta had reasoning to swap off of Mderg and hop back onto Tina. He spent a lot of hia filter preasuring her, moving against her. If mderg and mocsta were zcum together it would be easy at that point in ths thread to move and strengthen the rsoultin lynch if she is towm and he is scum. It makes no sense for him to lynch mderg espe ialy given how he played last game. If both are mafia, it doesnt clear him at all though. And ill readily admit that, eapecially if rsoultin is a better role in that regard. (i mean his vote) Besides that I think mocsta reevaluating on me when it was much easier to go with thread sentiment during the night was townie and different from theblast scum game he played. In the same vein when night started he was super antagonksti. towards me and set i was scum, but softened and tried to find things. I think his vote looks good to me, the way he approa hes the game is different. tonally he is also didderent as he seems much more confrontational in review. As for df I dont know exactly what the plan was. tina nor mderg really never seemed to have a lot of thread pull necessarily and it seemed no ome really got up to a momentum to go against them in the vote department. I thought i did explaim about df, he fought woth hf and i thought the fight disnt feel like t v t. hf came out looking better. df has been misconstruing different things to make people look bad, me and my vote for reasons that arent teue, hf in the fight. One of the things ive tried to read df as, as s um is hes a bit more hostile as scum than town I think. So it sort of fits here to. And I just think you are town. You are pushing on little things that you think are inconsistant like the rs sk thing. and this conversation we are having now instead of teying to bury me. I mean I could just be reading the game like im an idiot i guess? But I kinda think im just right. What pings me is the comment about DF. Town misconstrue things to make people look bad ALL THE TIME. DF is more pointing at a shit on the read; but not telling us why mafia laid that shit. | ||
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On February 09 2018 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol.. this quite funny.For those eyes only who played in the last game: If conversion is mafia teh scum qt looks liek this: + Show Spoiler + Conversion: what do i do plz halp, i just wanna quit Scum #2 (who also played in the last game): ask to get vigged Conversion: no but what if they vig me? Scum #2: Nah, we had a framer so there is a cop and Skynx wouldn't put 2 inv roles into the game so there is no vig Conversion to thread: VIG ME PLZ I WANNA DIE!!! :D :D :D | ||
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On February 09 2018 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wont lie, thsi comment about 'believe" made me think. have you got something, because at first read it is certainly valid.I think i can be biased but i honestly believe Mocsta -- based on what he wrote on rsoultin earlier in the game should have been voting for her instead of mderg. I agree i can be wrong, but that's the feeling i got fro mhis posts. Like the last game i followed D1 loosely and i was 100% certain Mocsta had voted for DF day i and during the start of D2 i cleared him in my mind in obs qt just to look at the votecount and i was like "wtf, why wasn't this guys vote on df?". I kind of see the same thing here. Another thing is that he made a slip or a "slip" that he has done before. He later on tried to pain it as a joke. What is the point of joking like that? I don't think he is telling the truth about him joking, i think he genuinely slipped like he has done before and made up a reason for it. I think df cannot be mafia if rsoultin is. I think there is your problem rn. If df and rsoultin are the final 2 mafia then mafia D1 play was "let's all call each other scum not not even really try to do anything" and that is just fucking reatrded. I am not quite sure why you think this is possible. I understand your reasoning, i might even agree with it but never with rsoultin being scum with him. Like the reason i read df scum D1 was because he used very weird wording. He thought i am mafia because, as he said "He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong". Now if you are town, what is this.... Would you BELIEVE i made wrong points? No, you know if i did or not. Even worse, if you think i am mafia FOR IT, i am obviously bullshitting, so there is nothing to BELIEVE, i am bullshitting, you point out where, and that's it. Case closed. But instead he "believe i might have made wrong points". What is this even? However, then I thought about how you commented on my rsoultin case by saying, all the points were right, but not indicative of mafia. I think that logic can be applied accordingly to state "believe".. I think you are arguing over semantics; I just am not sure if its intentional or not. | ||
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On February 09 2018 07:05 disformation wrote: Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless).like to me eod / rs and mderg not voting to save themselves is super confusing so i think lynching whoever is the scummiest while ignoring that eod might be a good idea? just not too sure who that would be rn xD If town!rsoultin legitimately thought mderg was town at the time, I can make sense of those actions. The main issue I had was the rsoultin progression, because prior she was considering mderg scum. This is why I asked her about it; but I think its completely legit that in the heat of the DF/HF bragging argument, she tilted leading to the actions that took place. | ||
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On February 09 2018 07:07 ritoky wrote: i still dont understand this angle shooting concept that you have mentioned a couple times.like if df is mafia it is because he didn't have a good reason to read rels town, but then i made one up for him and put it in his mouth and he agreed to it. but if he was legit angle shooting, he is le town. i have faith in humanity, so town. | ||
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On February 09 2018 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are 1 vote of 11. you know the rest of the story.You know Mocsta, this post pisses me off quite a bit. It really does. Because your case on rsoultin at the start of D1 was taken off exactly from what i said. I understand you possibly don't realize it but you summarised nothing but my points on her in more words and without knowing the meta. I don't like you calling someone else's post thread summary when half of your D1 was nothing but a fucking thread summary from me and then you voted for mderg for no apparent reason other than "i like Koshi". So don't do that, regardless of your affiliation, which is btw scum. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:02 disformation wrote: I think the last couple votes came within 2-3min of deadline.yeah i dont really get damdreds eod at all. he says he was kinda looking for a 3rd wagon, but i am not seeing evidence for that in his filter. so not quite sure what he was doing as either alignment So as scum, you can prepping for a whole bunch of possibilities. Its just possible he was caught flat-footed - in particular if he is as sick as he says he is. His filter I believe expressed he considered mderg scum, so there is legit flow to extend a vote that way if required. | ||
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"Why.. EoD 1 in the last game, town Damdred (wagon leader) refused to vote his town reads, and basically threw his vote away IIRC (or perhaps put it on DF, who wasnt a town read regardless)." Its clear that your agenda this cycle is to shit the thread with me. A - You are only doing a disservice to yourself. B - I won't break. Your welcome. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you answer my post where i told you damdred's reads are not what you said they are? whats there to say? its a regurgitation of other peoples comments with no insight. | ||
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On February 09 2018 06:58 disformation wrote: hmm... im trying to read hf vs damdy. i kinda want to do a rephrase just to see if my tired brain understands: hf is saying that he trs the "pure" wagon without good reason. plus him thinking that rsoultin is scum too creates a problem, because then damdy giving trs on hf and mocsta (on mderg) makes no sense? right? damdy now says he has proper reason to tr these ppl not only that they were on the wagon? and reasons to scumread the ppl he is scumreading? did i read that right? agreeing with rayn... a df/rs/mderg scumteam is just super confusing to me... like wtf were they doing in that case Yes, that is correct. Essentially: the "pure" wagon all town argument is not valid in Damdred world, is because he asserts both mderg & rsoultin are scum. If anything he should be more concerned about why they swapped between the 2; as mderg was not a lynch threat. This is in particular evident given I was a Damdred scum read all game; and jumped ship ~10hrs before deadline and also AFK. Instead, I am pure town and a big hole in story presents itself. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:26 Damdred wrote: No, same situation as this game.Vote was not wasted in nsm, if rels hadnt of been stupid we could of lynched df that day. Need in excess of 1 vote. On February 09 2018 08:27 Damdred wrote: I sort of want mocsta to find where i regurigitated all my reads from. The Disfo comments were a spit out from me without any filter diving Either way, im your 'pure" wagon town read, so why does it matter. This is my opinion as TOWN. On February 09 2018 08:31 Damdred wrote: perhaps you have come to the same conclusions as others on your own; but i still not identify any new insights.and i think he disxounta where i go more in depth later on, like i get hf/koshi hating me for how i view the game. but i dont feel like i copied anyones reads What do you agree about Rayn thought process? If its not clear to you, his top reads are rsoultin and mocsta. | ||
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LOUD != LEADERSHIP You are embarrassing yourself. | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:37 Damdred wrote: Yes sir. What would you like to discuss?Yes or no mocsta, have you read the entirity of the thread? | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:40 Damdred wrote: Fair enough. Probably true.I gave my first disformation townread before you reentered the thread yesterday after lynch btw. And honestly i dont even know what to think about you right now truthfully. I bet you dont. You are probably thinking if I am lynchable. Humour me: Why should I be ashamed of myself? - as per your first post in the game. I treat that as indicative of a town read on rsoultin (i.e. TvS in tina favour); and towards EoD1 you advocate that Tina is acting increasingly townish. Following mderg: you issue a town read on me for a combination of: A - "Pure" wagon voter B1 - Different meta to previous scum game. I think "more confrontational" was your word choice. B2 - During Night 1 I was willing to relax my scum read on you (which is a subset of B1 really) So right now, I am exerting even more of item C, and you dont know how to perceive me; should I not become an even stronger town read now? Why am I missing? | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:50 rsoultin wrote: Yes, GG !Also, gg truffle | ||
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On February 09 2018 08:55 rsoultin wrote: What do you think?Lol I know that rain said he wouldn't talk about me today but I don't really get why has actually falling that? Is this slip theory really that compelling? + Show Spoiler [my theory] + Is that Rayn is treating D2 like I did in the last game on D2 with HF (i.e. I wanted to intentionally shit the thread). I dont understand how anyone could find that contextually the most relevant post of 70+ pages to justify a lynch on. | ||
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the <slip> or finding it the most relevant post? | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:05 rsoultin wrote: I would also like to know why you think Ian is summarizing the thread mocsta. I agree with Joni that they're at least different than the conclusions most people are making. OK, I shall dive for you. On February 09 2018 00:55 Damdred wrote: Overall a summary post. New insight are superficial comments with no basis behind it.+ Show Spoiler [nothing new] + Before I amswer disformation about my lunch choices for tommorow I should give some reads that i think you would ask about next. These are not in order Town: Holyflare Mocsta Koshi Ritoky Trfel These five are what I consider the pure wagon, I dont believe that a mafia was on mderg especialy with how thw votes landed. + Show Spoiler [Nothing new] + Town Reads: Disformation Conversion Rayn Idk maybe? prp + Show Spoiler [DF or rsoultin is nothing new.] + scum DF Rsoultin Im just gling to write a general overview of my view of the game. + Show Spoiler [Maintain D1 consistency] + First scum reads. I really believe that my first assessment of the vote is correct. The mderg wagon is pure and we had two scum up for lynch in mderg/rsoultin. Hence why they both moved near the same time for thw same reason when people were softing about jumping off. + Show Spoiler [most sense compared to what?] + It makes the most sense why mderg just doesnt stay on rsoultin and hopes she gets another vote while she starts being suicidal. + Show Spoiler [weak DF reason, already commented] + DF is a little poe, the votes on him could be distancing. His fight with HF seemed to be just cluttering up the thread with who scum read tina first. Just seemed weird then and weird now. He did mind meld with me somewhat anout the lynch which is whybI am hesitant about this at all. + Show Spoiler [already commented] + I talked about disformation earlier how he came into the game instantly spitting reads. A bit wifom but as scum I dont think he would as motivated there. I liked his postings and he seems like his townie self. + Show Spoiler [agree Mocsta=scum?!?] + Rayn is doing his normal thing to me, looking for inconsistoncies while pushing those as scum. Has good follow through. I also agree with his thoughts + Show Spoiler [perhaps new] + Conversion has said a lot of smart things tbh. I like his posts mostly, his fucking off mad and coming back reads like his town game to me also. I just like how he approached the game. This is a more "wall-of-text" version of mderg summary post that says a lot about nothing. As a reminder: On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote: A good old summary post you all know and love. Damdred: Nothing ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel. darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum. Rels: Nothing Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now. rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch. raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part. Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking. Holyflare: Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi. prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point: | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:25 Damdred wrote: Did you call me out about it? If so, I would have replied. You dont have to live vicariously through Raynpelikoneet. Anyways, I commented on your summary reads just prior. There is no relevant to agreeing with HF, this from you is truly facetious.Im going to break this down then. You are being a hypocrit mocsta, you say that i regurgitate all of my reads but you copy and paste hf argument that i explain and ignore when you are called out on it. And honestly no, you slipped back into the thread sentiment like you did last game and i just dont know what it makes you. Overreaction, there is only 2 votes your way. Thread sentiment is meaningless without votes.And honestly i dont know what it makes you, idc about voting or not because unlike what most of the thread thinks about me im not stupid and can read the wall. I never thought you were stupid - its why I expect more from you.Again, according to your logic, I should be an even stronger town read. And I truly want to know why you think I should be ashamed of myself from your first post. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:47 Damdred wrote: it was interpreted as I should be ashamed to have made a case on rsoultinFirstly mocsta, the ashamed part was tongue in cheek ribbing because i like you. And really I thought it was humerous you were usimg activity as a way to scum read me while you checked out all these past games of people XD. But really it wasnt supposed to be a dig at you and i reallu do apologize if you took it that way. | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:49 Damdred wrote: Well, I would like a position on Rayn dropping all happenings in the game, to call me scum for writing <b>bomb</b>. Try to factor out your position on me please.i dont know what im doimg wrong and why people cant understand me.... | ||
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On February 09 2018 09:55 Damdred wrote: imma make a bet with you.eh regardless of anything else i think its wrong and really thin. rayn is going to come back and claim cop and claim red. I will claim I am not a self-aware miller (obviously that is Koshi). Roflcoptors will be posted. Now in all seriousness. I am reviewing trfel filter, and am writing something in advance of my post release. I am willing to open myself to considering DF. Can you summarise for me why he is scum; and its really important to me, to understand what is similar about him this game to the previous game. Whether right or wrong, i that forms intrinsic value for me. | ||
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On February 09 2018 10:16 rsoultin wrote: I suppose so. I have moved on from that for now.Some of this reads like you're saying he's summarizing thread sentiment and some as if his reads are static. Is that correct? Trfel read conversion as strong town, and df (with damdred at end) as good scumspects. Im in the process of reevaluating my conversion/df position. Unfortunately, i wasnt around EoD1 so i dont get the same sense of urgency not being there (i.e. constant F5 lol). I probably have to collate thread with votes to best understand. sigh | ||
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On February 09 2018 10:22 Damdred wrote: hmm ok. im going to get off my ass and do that collation.like lets assume that tina is town, df auccessfully pushed hf (maybe) to not vote town tina instead hf goes onto his scum partnwr mderg when the other people on mdeeg are afk. and that to me just doesnt necessarily make sense to me either meh. of course hf is unlredictable and hf could of just voted tina ehhh i still dont really understand how EoD1 unfolded | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote: Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game. On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote: I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read. On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote: Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote: Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since? On February 07 2018 21:32 mderg wrote: A bit, he's certainly a bit more jumpy now In DarthFoley eyes mocsta is scum; and this reads as a legitimate attempt to canvas why someone presents an alternate view. (i.e. not fake scum to scum interaction) What follows a couple posts from mderg is the infamous summary: "darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum." Does it read prior that hes talking to someone that is scum lean? Does it read prior that mderg would call DF scummy for that conversation? On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote: Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts.. I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon. On February 08 2018 04:06 darthfoley wrote: yes, it was I! I still think that inconsistency is very weird, even after he explained it. I kinda bought it but not really Catching up now 1 hour before deadline On February 08 2018 04:30 mderg wrote: I believe this exchange is crucial to determine DF alignment.still no actual inconsistency there. Note the votes when DF made that post: mderg (5):: If DF is scum.. he can either bus or save mderg.rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Holyflare, trfel (1): prplhz prplhz (0):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (0): Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels If he was bussing, DF would be riding this so much harder.. instead, he actally backs off it slightly & eventually gets into a screaming match with HF. One could argue, that rsoultin and mderg are scum. If so, i think DF only has one play which is to try and swing votes onto me (as his other read). Overall I am satisfied DF is town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [vote=great] + On February 07 2018 19:19 ritoky wrote: i think mderg is a fine lynch. active and present enough to have reads or do things, but still a complete sideline figure. his entry post i assume is a joke, but it isn't funny. his posts are more destructive than constructive, in the sense that he is more about why others are wrong rather than why he is right in any capacity. and considering his posts, activity level, and general aversion to being engaged in the game; he seems like he should be under more heat than he is. almost like he is being avoided to a degree. ##vote: mderg that being said i am about to begin the 2nd half of my 16 hour work hell. then i am going to sleep and celebrate my birthday. it will be surprising to both you and i if i am in the thread again in the next 30-36 hours. i will say that if shit gets weird toward the end of the deadline with claims and stuff, you can feel free to default lynch me and i won't hold it against any of you. i will flip town, but i think the town is in a relatively healthy place regardless of lynching a green or red on day 1. it is also clear that the way i am playing does now does not jive well with the way most are playing here, and if my removal from the game would help the better players have a clearer understanding of the game, then that is cool too. if this is the last i post this game, it was fun being completely honest for the first time. However, build up to this point consists of literally: + Show Spoiler [1] + On February 07 2018 18:48 ritoky wrote: i am pretty sold on: holyflare rayn darthfoley then like next tier is probably: rsoul trfel then there's a lot of confusion then probably bottom tier is: damdred mderg On February 07 2018 18:55 ritoky wrote: koshi, who's worse mderg or damdred? Option 1: Ritoky is a townie who had to AFK for a long period so put his vote where noone was looking (and lined up with his gut). Option 2: Ritoky is a scum who had had to AFK for a long period so put his vote on a buddy for worst-case scenario (which actually happened).. I think option2 is so unrealistic and really really stupid play. I think a mafia regardless of how busy, would have unvoted mderg at some point before it went to 5 votes. Im going with Option 1. | ||
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On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote: You dont think prplhz has big town balls for his polarised reads EoD1?I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [p30 (votes)] + On February 07 2018 19:45 Koshi wrote: imo the townies this game are destroying each other. Which is fine if you come to a point we all sing kumbaya together in the end. My point on prplhz is good. Him having a problem with the bad tr from df on me without having a problem with me is also slightly more mafia. Mderg is super sideline like others have been saying. Me first though. He has no original thoughts and have had the solo "I am tired I dont want to play" post mafia makes more often than town. Damdred could be a butterfly who is now sleeping as a cocoon. But he could be mafia easily as well. Very easily. Rels w.e. We cant know. On February 07 2018 19:52 Mocsta wrote: how about his whole filter.... whats there to explain? On February 07 2018 19:54 Mocsta wrote: i find this post good. yes, im going to legitimately vote mderg. that summarises quite well what i have been feeling. ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg as an aside, i can accept a town!DF thinking im scum. Hes quite a pussy as scum so I can see him being cautious of me. Rsoultin.. hmm, i dunno to be honest. Even though I legit pocketed her last game, I expect her personality to brush that off as "lesson learned" and not keep injecting "ohhh. im so cautious of this and that"..but thats my prediction on her behaviour and i should treat it as that. On February 07 2018 19:55 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg On February 07 2018 22:50 rsoultin wrote: ##vote mderg On February 07 2018 22:48 Trfel wrote: ##unvote rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Holyflare, mderg (3):: prplhz (1):: Koshi Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (0): Not Voting (4): Damdred, Rels, prplhz, trfel On February 07 2018 19:56 darthfoley wrote: Rayn's confidence in incorrects reads fuels me On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote: ##vote mderg rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Holyflare, mderg (4):: prplhz (1):: Koshi Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (0): Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels, prplhz On February 07 2018 19:57 darthfoley wrote: I really want to townread you for this comment alone lol On February 07 2018 19:58 Mocsta wrote: Koshi town btw I did the same thing as him last game but compeletly different delivery and intent That post has no value as scum. It really doeant On February 07 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote: Now you see the light There is no vader here. Tell me about mderg puh leaae On February 07 2018 20:03 darthfoley wrote: @ritoky I was angle shooting Also rayn's big "gotcha" moment doesn't make sense. A scum slip is when people say "I believe am I Town" not "I am Town and I believe your arguments are incorrect." But now were just talking semantics On February 07 2018 20:07 darthfoley wrote: Regarding mderg, I've made a few posts already about how disconnected he is in the game. It's actually one of the biggest question marks I have on rayn and HF. For so long they railed on me for "not being involved in the game" while seemingly ignoring mderg who has been around to post but hasn't. This reason especially comes off as a bad reason to townread Mocsta. I think you could Town read Mocsta for a few reasons that I could buy as genuine beliefs, but I have not thought to myself, "you know what, Mocsta really knows where he's going this game." It almost feels like a TMI spew town read if mderg flips mafia On February 07 2018 20:09 Mocsta wrote: Koshi The thing i find odd with trfel is that he spent all this time deeply analysing conversion and darthfoley to then sheep conversion read. However he has not performed any deep analysos on rsoultin. This to me is non characyeristic. On February 07 2018 20:09 darthfoley wrote: Like this read just seems very superficial On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote: Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still.. I believe your arguments are wrong That sounds so icky. On February 07 2018 20:10 Mocsta wrote: lol yeah that makes aense actually. He probably legit doesnt understand what im saying so doesnt know how to twist it into saying im scum. Ok. I will read detention again On February 07 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote: To me Trfel has come across as Question Master who struggles to produce original or accurate content On February 07 2018 20:12 Mocsta wrote: talking to me? Who cares if my argument is wrong Care if its intentional On February 07 2018 20:13 darthfoley wrote: Very odd read progression imo 1. I can kind of see what he's seeing 2. I am already struggling to understand what he's saying 3. MOCSTA KNOWS WHERE HES GOING THIS GAME but I thought you couldn't understand what he was saying (?) On February 07 2018 20:13 Mocsta wrote: tell me. Is rayn always so self centred? Ps. I like HF this game. Same vibe as last On February 07 2018 20:16 Koshi wrote: No to df. That is the reason rayn scumreads df. About tfrel: I am bad at reading people like that. So I cant comment. You say his focus is deliberately focussed on some people while ignoring others? In this case ignoring rsoultin. Maybe. What I see is that he is playing the game trying to solve it. I do not see mafia intention behind how he solves it. I do believe all his scumreads are wrong, but I dont think it makes him mafia. + Show Spoiler [p31 (no votes)] + On February 07 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote: Yes strong town lean +5 Koshi Hf Darthfoley Conversion Nullish -2 to +4 Ritoky Rayn Rsoultin Rels Trfel Prplhz Scummy -5 Mderg Damdred On February 07 2018 20:18 darthfoley wrote: Rayn claims to like mderg for focusing on the right thingS (plural) when his whole filter exists in the echo chamber of "rsoultin is scum" thread sentiment reads. He has made one comment on me (with no conclusion) and one townread on Mocsta for wrong reasons. Could be down to lynch. But I also get the willies that rsoultin's wagon is starting to face some pressure. Mafia would be likely to sit on their hands and do nothing if she's Town. to be determined On February 07 2018 20:20 darthfoley wrote: I would actually appreciate Conversion's feedback in the thread. He was playing well earlier On February 07 2018 20:20 Koshi wrote: df can you please explain why you said: "I believe your arguments are wrong" You know his arguments are wrong. Because it are arguments that make you mafia. There is no wiggle room. On February 07 2018 20:20 darthfoley wrote: Yes. I know he also tunnels hardcore as Town. Not really familiar with his mafia play. On February 07 2018 20:22 Mocsta wrote: analytical ppl can be wrong. So bad scumreads dont make him mafia either. Its more he set the standard as deep and inciteful. I had to read thr conversion/trfel posts like 3 to 4 times cos i just dont view the game that deep on a filter by filter level. Bht once i got it.. it all made sense so im like. What a town motherfucker. This is real content. Then to see this guy casually vote someone on the sheep and withoit interrogsting them.. thata just not congruent with what i would expect.. In short. He came across as super original And ended up as a copy paster. Whilst hr can agree with a good case. I still expect him to do his own homework on it. Instead there ks none of this deep insight into why rsoultin is scum On February 07 2018 20:24 Mocsta wrote: I disagree I wrote repeatedly in qt that i always want an alternative wagon second 24hrs so people dont get itchy. I think its more a town tell . If mafia. I thinm optimal play is to either fight before it is a wagon or bus it outright On February 07 2018 20:25 darthfoley wrote: No. I know his interpretation of my alignment is wrong. Pretty sure I was responding to the idea that I hadn't interacted with the thread or some bullshit accusation. That is a subjective accusation because it is open for interpretation. I believe I have interacted with the thread. It would be silly to claim I KNOW I have interacted with the thread. Depends on your standards On February 07 2018 20:25 Koshi wrote: His mafia play is really good. If town is wrong he can make a giant post with fresh arguments that fit towns current believes and cements them even further. Making it very unlikely town recovers fast. His town play is hit or miss early. And gets more likely to hit later on. But I have seen him be miss till like mid d3. After that he is hit or rip. That being said. He can be hit d1 and then he is able to convince the thread he is right. Because he is so relentless. If thread sentiment doesnt believe him he is wrong most of the times. Thread sentiment is a good indicator. On February 07 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote: Well... I think what you write here makes him town. And that what you attribute to him being possible mafia might be a flaw in his game. Unless you can point out the mafia agenda in him sheeping we can't lynch him. On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote: Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game. On February 07 2018 20:30 Koshi wrote: Coolio. I believe you. I very easily townread you for some reason. And I havent been wrong yet. But I think you never been mafia. Anyway. Last 3 games I tr you fast and correct. On February 07 2018 20:31 Mocsta wrote: Never thought he was a good lymxh option How does this development make you feel about prplhz? On February 07 2018 20:32 Mocsta wrote: Lol This is a funniest comment nomination Me and darth were scum together last game... you knlw.. brutal bus everyome was talking about On February 07 2018 20:33 Koshi wrote: Yes. I wasnt in the game. I meant he wasnt mafia in a game I was alive in recently. On February 07 2018 20:34 Mocsta wrote: you just aaid. My comments on trfel indicate town Prplhz was playing against thread sentiment by shitting on trfel to make a black truffle. Yoy said you liked this about prplhz.. and i believ it lined up with yoyr read. So of leaning town.. does this influence prplhz read? On February 07 2018 20:38 Koshi wrote: No. I never said that. I am scumreading/voting prplhz because he nitpicked something out of tfrel filter ignoring the broader picture. prplhz has a nightmare filter and I dont care too much if he is mafia or town. I just want him out of the game and develop my reads further on people that actually play the game. Like rsoultin. Mderg same story. On February 07 2018 20:41 Mocsta wrote: Fuck me. Am i really payojg that little attention Will walk away then happy with my vote on mderg On February 07 2018 20:48 Mocsta wrote: Wait before i go Why is there resistanxe to damdred... How can he say tina is not her town self Then say i should be ashamed of myself. I was the primary pusher of tina.. wtf? + Show Spoiler [p32 (no votes)] + On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote: Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote: Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since? On February 07 2018 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes lynch Damdred again and let df and rsoultin away with that bs. maybe even better lynch me?On February 07 2018 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or mby you should wait until d2 and lynch unccd vigilante who shot mafia because someone talked about sk. That would make my day. On February 07 2018 21:07 Mocsta wrote: i dont think thag is accurate unleas referring to being bored by a predetermjned lynch. Im disappointed with you mderg On February 07 2018 21:29 Koshi wrote: We won that game. And I agree that was great. Could do it again. On February 07 2018 21:29 Conversion wrote: I am awake and a lot has happened. I have glanced at new content, but will not post opinions and thoughts in case I miss something or make a mistake again until I am in front of a computer. It looks as if some people are moving away from a rsoultin lynch, could I get a quick summary of that? Besides Koshi, who is hard townreading rsoultin right now. Also would like suggestions on who I should filter dive so I am not aimlessly diving people and wasting my time, if my thoughts would be valuable here. @Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1? On February 07 2018 21:32 darthfoley wrote: Mocsta is moving away from rsoultin. Rayn is trying to lynch me but also rsoultin. On February 07 2018 21:32 darthfoley wrote: maybe I like rayn again On February 07 2018 21:33 Holyflare wrote: I think it's more that I don't remember anything mderg has posted and that resonated with how I felt about him last game. On February 07 2018 21:41 rsoultin wrote: I'm tempted to sit on you because of ritoky. Your reads still seem to change based on others' reads on you, though. Or at least on people scumreading you. That resembles your scum play to me. If you have town games that show you kinda OMGUS your way through games, could you link one of them, please? I'll follow up eventually if I don't get lynched today, but my bruised ego would prefer a tidy collection of correct reads to leave town with, and I doubt I'll have the time before deadline to pursue that avenue. On February 07 2018 21:44 rsoultin wrote: What did you disagree with on my darth foley read? You asked for my filter dive on him (demanded it actually), I quoted where I'd already given it just as I quoted the ritoky posts that had me reading his game as fluid that I'd already given to holyflare when you asked, and you insta-voted me. So either you have a problem with my read that I'd like explained, or you didn't realize I was quoting where I'd already answered what you were asking for. On February 07 2018 21:50 rsoultin wrote: -snorts- I don't know why I ever thought Conversion looked scummy. I'm stupid apparently. Probably more liking where truffle was coming from and not thinking about Conversion's alignment clearly. There's still the claiming to be caught up but not and slight contradictions, but I don't think that's very alignment indicative in this case. It's kind of bad but his case on me is probably the biggest thing that makes him more likely town in my eyes. Not bothering with Rels. Neither of these two should be lynched today. On February 07 2018 21:51 Koshi wrote: Ofc Rels should be up for lynch... On February 07 2018 21:53 prplhz wrote: alright who on earth is Ian On February 07 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote: The funny thing is that nobody understands why you even thought conversion was mafia to begin with because you didn't say a thing. So why did you find him scummy? On February 07 2018 21:54 prplhz wrote: I get Tina because she's the only girl and Joni because it's short for Jonihyväälioulu or something but Ian could be just about anybody + Show Spoiler [p33 (no votes)] + On February 07 2018 21:58 darthfoley wrote: damdred I believe. be back about 1 hour before deadline. hopefully i'm not getting lynched by then On February 07 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote: I'm not a big fan of Joni's townread on mderg or the fact that he was (is?) scumreading ritoky for the same reason that I was, but honestly this post probably makes him town. That and I'm generally not getting the 'scream until my target is lynched' vibe that I normally get from a scum Joni - he's still pushing, but taking the time to prod. Caveat here is he knows how I read him and has catered to that before. Caveat to the caveat is if he were scum here he could push me until the cows come home with no one listening to my trying to say he's scum for not involving people, and no one else seems to have that read nailed down on him. So. Still pretty sure he's town. Just being Joni. On February 07 2018 21:59 rsoultin wrote: In the absence of anyone scummy, sure. I don't make a habit of lynching an afk Rels on D1 because, as you said with Damdred, he can turn into a butterfly. On February 07 2018 22:04 rsoultin wrote: Mostly just inconsistencies and nodding my head to Truffle's posts which gave me warm fuzzies at the time. I was a shameful sheeple. It wasn't my strongest read at the time. Thus pursuing ritoky. However, ritoky addressed some of my concerns and then Conversion comes to the thread echoing a sentiment you'd just posted...something about me not doing anything about my scumreads. Then posted that well I'd poked at ritoky but that didn't mean anything because he didn't see what I'd gotten from it. Maybe it was an emotional reaction at the time, but it looked to me like he hadn't actually read what I'd posted since he'd left, then realized his mistake and posted to acknolwedge it before he could be called out on it, but still stick to his read. In effect, though, even if that's true it still could have come from town. I'm just bad. On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote: A good old summary post you all know and love. Damdred: Nothing ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel. darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum. Rels: Nothing Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now. rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch. raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part. Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking. Holyflare: Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi. prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point: On February 07 2018 22:16 rsoultin wrote: Pending on you, koshi. It skeeves me out a little that you're focused on lynchbait and right on my alignment where most everyone else is wrong. I know you've picked your scum game up recently. But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that. Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all: On February 07 2018 22:17 Koshi wrote: Can still lynch mderg. No way a townie ends up with 10 mafia suspects in a 13 player game. That's not where you end up while solving things. This is nitpicking. And that is all it is. On February 07 2018 22:19 Koshi wrote: If you cant follow it you are not reading the thread. It is rayn is nr 1 reason to scumread df and he explained it. And I already explained this very post to mocsta as well. And on top of that df answered me already. I cant help blind people in a forum mafia game. This is just pathetic. On February 07 2018 22:23 Koshi wrote: You have to not have read 7-10 posts to not understand the post... Explain to me in extreme detail why prplhz is town or "ok" for you. I want to completely understand it. On February 07 2018 22:25 rsoultin wrote: ^ I thought your post was in response to this post and had no clue as to why it got that reaction from you, even reading the discussion. But I suppose it must have been in response to this one posted just before that? So disregard. Dangers of skimming. On February 07 2018 22:26 Koshi wrote: I offcially revoke my leaning townread on rsoultin. I dont want to lynch her today. But fuck this thread control type of play that doesnt push the game forward at all. All stupid safe reads and nothing interesting in over 100 posts. I am not entertained. You may die. On February 07 2018 22:27 rsoultin wrote: There's not much to completely understand. I didn't think there was anything particularly alignment indicative in what he'd posted, which is why I asked you (if I recall correctly) for your read on him. On February 07 2018 22:28 Koshi wrote: There are 10 more posts in the thread about that. It has nothing to do with skimming. You are just filling your filter and not solving the game. You cannot miss all the fucking posts about this. On February 07 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote: You tr prplhz at some point. Or at least were ok with him. You keep asking me about prplhz and your own read is foggy as fuck. Reread prplhz if needed and explain how you felt about him this entire game. What are you telling me?? You have had no opinion at all on him this entire fucking game? What are you doing????? On February 07 2018 22:30 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- It wasn't obvious to me. So sue me. On February 07 2018 22:33 Koshi wrote: rsoultin is not solving this game. That is for sure. Blah. Last time you were way more obvious mafia. I remember my banana apple post. + Show Spoiler [p34 (no votes)] + On February 07 2018 22:33 rsoultin wrote: Lol, you mean the two posts that he'd posted at the time? I still don't think they say much about his alignment, despite your claim that he was nitpicking truffle. Nor do the name questions or saying that you like to be right do anything for me. He's null. On February 07 2018 22:33 Mocsta wrote: Sigh. I agree. Really stuck on where to vote before i go to bed I was willing to give rsoultin a chance but now she is just wasting it on filter commentary. Mderg list post feels disconnected which he even comments on. Im happy with a vote on rsoultin mderg or damdred I think its good there 4 or 5 people with votes. Tug of war that is split this hard means at least one wagon is mafia in my opinion. Im going to read mderg and tina past game now to finalise vote On February 07 2018 22:34 Conversion wrote: I will agree with this. That was not a good post at all from mderg. On February 07 2018 22:35 rsoultin wrote: o.0 I vaguely but don't really remember this. On February 07 2018 22:37 Damdred wrote: I almost feel human, I have a doctors appointment in 40 minutes. After that I shouos be here. As for my vote im just going to sheep my top towns (rayn) when i get back. On February 07 2018 22:37 Koshi wrote: Rsoultin mderg and prplhz are good places to plant a vote. We will probably lynch the townie out of the 3 on d1 but removing that person is fine anyway. Damdred is maybe not mafia. Some shady people are too outspoken on him. On February 07 2018 22:38 Mocsta wrote: Im lazy and this is good enough for me to go to bed on I also realised tina may feel pressures to magically generate reada before lynch. Magically because when ppl tunnel yoy. You foxus on them and it can be hard to have reads worth sharing. I am willing to give tina another day. Good night. My vote stays with mderg On February 07 2018 22:41 Koshi wrote: Yes. That is what it says. You are nitpicking filters and not trying to find the alignment behind the filters. I dont know why you are nitpicking the filters. But I am sure that you are doing just that. This game is about finding 3 mafia out of 12 players. You are looking for the 3 and not for the 9. Why are you not looking for the 9? On February 07 2018 22:44 Trfel wrote: I am here, skimmed the last 10 pages. I'll try and reread stuff during class. Koshi's actually playing the game, which is great, but makes me less inclined to lynch him. Been avoiding thinking about darthfoley. Feel so lost  I'll try and figure out what's going on but if someone wants to talk about something let me know. On February 07 2018 22:45 Damdred wrote: Mderg pretend I havent read the game to a deep level,. If what Koshi says isnt true can you give me your sxum reada with a condensed reason for each? On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote: There are glimmers of something in mderg's filter until the list post, which is mostly nulullllullululull. I was gonna bother but you know what? Truffle felt town to me most of the game until the reversal on Conversion's case. It's not even that Conversion's case was bad, because it wasn't; it's that it touched on the sort of intangibles that the Truffle of years ago didn't tend to find compelling. I think he's still town but don't give him a free pass. Holyflare is whatever the fuck. I can never tell even when I care. And I'm sure you all will blame me when you inevitably lynch me tonight after I bugger off for the rest of the day, but personally I only hold myself responsible for the beginning of the day when I was being a bit of a snit. At some point this game just isn't worth it anymore. Voting mderg. Don't want to vote DF without talking to ritoky about his read first. On February 07 2018 23:04 Damdred wrote: Mderg peaced out when I asked him things idk what to think I guess ill have to look at his list when i read heh. On February 07 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote: I don't particularly understand but we vote martyrs in this here town. On February 07 2018 23:05 Damdred wrote: Tinnnnaaa On February 07 2018 23:12 rsoultin wrote: Sorry if you're town, Ian. I'm just done. Calling me scum and shooting me multiple exclamation point question mark shouty posts is one thing. Claiming I'm just filling my filter when I'm trying to leave a post flip legacy is another. Well, it's there. I'm done. 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On February 07 2018 23:19 Koshi wrote: You are not going to get lynched so just breath and try again. On February 07 2018 23:27 Conversion wrote: Could you touch upon the Truffle post more? If you’re willing. And the first line on mderg— is his filter bad or good? Can’t tell. I am running late to work for other reasons so hopefully will be in front of a computer soon. On February 07 2018 23:31 Conversion wrote: I guess it is bad because you are voting for him, but it is not clear as it wasn’t clear as to why you were voting me. On February 07 2018 23:43 Trfel wrote: Yes, I changed my mind on Conversion because of his post on rsoultin (primarily that anyway). Conversion's analysis was good, regardless of rsoultin's alignment. He's been underwhelming since then, but I'm fine with him as town for now. I do find it a bit weird that rsoultin says that her suspicion of Conversion wasn't her strongest read at the time (see here), but she voted for Conversion. Why are Koshi/Conversion/Mocsta/etc picking on mderg for having 10 scumreads? To me that seems to be a horrid misinterpretation of mderg's post. I only see him scumreading darthfoley, rsoultin, and Koshi. Is the argument that he's mentioning the things that make him suspicious of each person, focusing on reasons to be suspicious of people rather than reasons to townread them? I see nothing wrong with this. Not that I have a read on mderg myself yet, I just am not sure what this argument is saying. Conversion, rsoultin's read on me is heavily meta based. I can explain it for you if you'd like but if you really wanted to understand it you'd have to do a decent amount of reading and I doubt it would be worth it, especially since I haven't played in over a year and I've probably changed since then. On February 08 2018 00:02 Conversion wrote: I'm not picking on him for having 10 scum reads. I am picking on him for his list post saying absolutely nothing and not progressing/helping me progress on where his head is at for D1, which the deadline is fast approaching. He could have literally posted nothing and kept his vote on rsoultin and it would have had the same impact. On February 08 2018 00:05 Koshi wrote: Tfrel. One of the easiest ways to solve this game is by PoE. I thought everybody did that. Remove townies from your list and look into others more indepth. If mderg is town he is the first who isnt doing that. Converstion okish and rayn okish iirc. On February 08 2018 00:07 Koshi wrote: What mderg did looks way more "what can I say about this filter". Nothing more. Just that. I completely miss the feeling he does it to solve the game. To come closer to the truth. On February 08 2018 00:08 Conversion wrote: and I'd like rsoultin to respond, but I doubt she will. It would help her case a lot more if she did so than you, as I need to be able to see what she is thinking and experience her clarifying her points. If I really want to nitpick on the mderg point: This post is literally saying most of the players are null, maybe one is possible scum. It is not a good post. It was unnecessary. On February 08 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote: Man I'm tempted to sheep Koshi 100% and just lynch mderg or prplhz this game. Both filters are terrible. Koshi, why mderg > prplhz? I may be missing it from your filter, but I'm assuming it's because of mderg's list post and tone. On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote: @Conversion, fair enough, I see that. Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much. The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote. Does anyone else see that? @Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read. On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote: Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts.. I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon. On February 08 2018 00:26 Trfel wrote: I think I actually really like the point I made above. I dunno about prplhz. I'm not a huge fan of him but I don't think he's anywhere near as suspicious as mderg given the point above. The main thing I personally find suspicious about prplhz is that it seems as if he is townreading rsoultin for towncredit. Prplhz, if you are there, why do you townread rsoultin? On February 08 2018 00:31 mderg wrote: rsoultin: Feels like a completely different person than last game. Much less nice and inclusiv, much more aggressive in questioning people. Koshi: Seems like he is just trying to lynch by number of posts. Feels lazy unlike town hero koshi. darthfoley: Scumread on Mocsta for what I consider dumb reasons, omgus on Trfel, rayn and Mocsta and some general "bitchiness" On February 08 2018 00:34 Trfel wrote: Mderg, do you have any response to my point about you in post #692? On February 08 2018 00:35 Trfel wrote: Also, mderg, aren't your reasons to scumread darthfoley exactly the same as what rsoultin was saying about him? Does that affect your thoughts at all? On February 08 2018 00:37 mderg wrote: I litterally looked at the player list and thought: "What do I think about them". When I didn't really know I looked at their filter. I very much need to do stuff like that to I keep my thoughts in order. On February 08 2018 00:41 Koshi wrote: I dont really care about which one atm. prplhz is still doing nothing. Is it mafia hiding or a townie who doesnt care? I dont know. Mderg just isnt making the right posts. On February 08 2018 00:46 mderg wrote: Like half the time where you comment "says nothing" it only says nothing because you want it to say nothing. I have exactly 4 null reads: Damdred, Rels, Holyflare and prplhz + Show Spoiler [p36 (votes)] + On February 08 2018 00:53 mderg wrote: rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin. I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep. My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough. On February 08 2018 00:54 mderg wrote: That point is just semantics, though. Mocsta knowing where he was going was in no way about him making clear and concise posts. On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote: The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia.To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though. Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all. On February 08 2018 01:06 Koshi wrote: Mderg, you understand this read on me feels extremely shallow? I made it very obvious why I am lynching into you guys. Very very obvious. On February 08 2018 01:07 mderg wrote: I can actually see why you don't see it in my filter. I didn't really mention that because in my mind it was self explaining but if you're not in my mind it's probably not. On February 08 2018 01:10 mderg wrote: Apart from not really being in the game I didn't see any obvious reasons On February 08 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote: I wrote a big post on what I didn't like with rsoultin's post here: but I lost it in refreshing the thread maybe? I am sad. The point was summed up to be she was at earlier day thinking I was scum for missing posts that could have been met with more scrutiny in filters/reading the thread, and even repeated saying that it was not great behavior (although NAI), and then proceeded to do it with Koshi. On February 08 2018 01:37 Trfel wrote: Mderg, what do you think about rsoultin's points on darthfoley? On February 08 2018 02:21 Holyflare wrote: You can press back and get it back On February 08 2018 02:22 rsoultin wrote: I think the problem here is when I originally saw koshi's post on mderg's list post I was typing up a post to the effect of there's a lot of nulls which isn't the same as a lot of scumreads, but realized that I didn't disagree with Koshi's conclusion so there was no real need to correct him on that. So in my head I'd already commented when I hadn't actually already commented. The irony is you said essentially the same thing as I did about his list post with way more words. On February 08 2018 02:23 rsoultin wrote: I know, ironic, isn't it? lol To be fair, he posted that after another post that really wasn't talking about it so I got confused how they were related, but I see no point in talking about it anymore. Apparently I'm an awful baddy for not realizing he wasn't responding to darth foley's most recent post, but the one before. Whatevs. On February 08 2018 02:31 rsoultin wrote: As for the truffle read, it's just that he used to have a tendency to focus on tangibles more than intangibles. By that I mean inconsistencies between actions and words, or words and words, kind of like he's still doing throughout the game. So it's actually unusual (but only weakly so given this is a years' old meta read as both he and I have said) that someone posting about intangibles about how I feel within the game vs how I feel within other games would be that convincing to him. Townreading you for it is completely within expectations and he should anyway because he's awesome like me except when I'm not. @Truffle, that's because Conversion wasn't my main scumread when I was voting ritoky. You have the timing off, perhaps because I poorly communicated it. I was talking about the point in the game when I posted the below post: On February 08 2018 02:41 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Holyflare, mderg (5):: prplhz (0):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (0): Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels, prplhz On February 08 2018 02:45 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mderg Both wagons like fine as I think mafia lies within Rels/Damdred/mderg/prplhz and HF. So congratz to the ones who get their lynch. I would never lynch rsoultin today. Way too much value that gets lost if she is town. Wayyyy too much value. Only lynch rsoultin if you believe you will be able to read mderg better as this game progresses or have a townread on him. I also still haven't read a decent case on why rsoultin is mafia. The best points I saw were meta related. All the rest is not that brilliant. On February 08 2018 02:50 Koshi wrote: It's not that I am certain mderg is mafia. But in my opinion he is not solving the game as a townie would. What did he achieve today, is he closer to figuring out this puzzle, has he ever gave you the feeling he is closing down on mafia? And if he didn't, is he at least trying to clear some townies so his PoE pool gets smaller? Which waves did he make, did he piss someone off by poking and prodding? Did he help town develop reads? Was a a value to town? Did somebody ever had a "aha that's a good point moment" Like... I am not sure he is mafia. But he didn't try hard enough and when we aren't 100% sure on day 1. Lynch question marks. Don't lynch easy to read players who deliver shittons of content. On February 08 2018 02:56 rsoultin wrote: <3! Not game-related, but warm fuzzies are always nice. On February 08 2018 02:58 Conversion wrote: I don't see a stark difference between mderg between this game and last game, to be honest. Besides his list posts, but even then it's just put more formatting/words in versus not. is this list post from Newbie. On February 08 2018 02:58 Conversion wrote: Thanks rsoultin for your clarification on Truffle's play. Appreciate content like that even if you aren't obligated to answer me. On February 08 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote: Expanding upon this post, it is entirely possible that mderg and rsoultin is a TvT lynch. Which sucks. If I were to follow Koshi's logic, I should most likely lynch mderg over rsoultin because I think I have the ability to read her more than him. However, I'm not sold on that because I'm not great at reading people. Hmm. I have a meeting until an hour before deadline. Will be back by then. + Show Spoiler [p37 (no votes)] + On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote: Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment. Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet? Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange. Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way. On February 08 2018 03:07 rsoultin wrote: Then who would you want to lynch? And my issue with mderg here vs Newbie is there was more sparkle in Newbie. There's only one or two things I'd call sparkle here. And yes I know that I'll have to expand on that let me see if I can. Also I think I'd prefer Darth foley if not mderg but I really want ritoky to come back for that cause he's a really good player as town and I want to hear his reasons before I decided to ignore them, if I do. On February 08 2018 03:11 Damdred wrote: I said your name and you shot up some strange post that seemed to be towards me when i was just saying hi and wanting to talk On February 08 2018 03:12 rsoultin wrote: These are the only kinda sparkly things that I think could indicate a town mderg. Particularly the second, because it was where my mind was at regarding mocsta and his play from Newbie before he started diverting onto other things. On February 08 2018 03:14 rsoultin wrote: Oh yeah sorry. That was me getting aggravated at people for shitting on my attempts to relook at the game and leave reads before I flipped, not aimed at you. I was trying to explain why I was leaving. What is it that you want to talk about? On February 08 2018 03:20 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, way more comments and dissenting opinions in Newbie. I'll just link to the filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=mderg&page=2 I don't know that it for sure makes him scum, but between that and the fact that there's much more in the way of actual reads in that shorter list post makes me think he's our best chance of lynching scum today. On February 08 2018 03:21 Damdred wrote: idk its a bit strange to me that when i got back you didnt jump on me to try to talk to me... and its annoying when i have postes very few have talked to me. You didnt evwm talk to me about mocsta or tell me i was wrong and read the thread more idk. On February 08 2018 03:21 Koshi wrote: Well if both mderg and rsoultin are town we have to start looking at rayn and HF who has been avoiding each other I feel like. Not sure if that is completely correct but when I didn't do anything they did push this thread towards a place I didn't like. Which is darthfoley/rsoultin mafia. I don't buy that. I might be wrong though. On February 08 2018 03:22 Koshi wrote: HF mafia who lets rayn do the driving D1. Seems plausible. On February 08 2018 03:23 Koshi wrote: Tinfoil though. I like rayn atm. But I suck at reading him lately. Well... I just always read him town. On February 08 2018 03:24 Koshi wrote: Well I still live in a world in which prplhz and mderg are mafia. On February 08 2018 03:24 rsoultin wrote: Why should I have done that? I don't fundamentally disagree with you about mocsta. On February 08 2018 03:28 rsoultin wrote: Although that does remind me that I did actually have a question for you. I think ritoky looks good this game. He and Joni are probably my biggest townreads. So what is it that you don't like about ritoky? On February 08 2018 03:33 rsoultin wrote: I have no intention of lynching (or probably more accurately trying to lynch) holyflare today, so no worries. Last game proved to me in spades that him taking a back seat and being wrong do not necessarily make him scum. It just would be a convenient thing for a scum Holyflare to do if Joni's intent on lynching town. Thought filed away for later. I'm not really convinced that darth foley is town. On February 08 2018 03:35 prplhz wrote: I don't think rsoultin nor mderg are mafia. I don't like the current wagons. On February 08 2018 03:36 prplhz wrote: And I believe that I am town so that's the three most likely lynches out of the window an hour before deadline. Who's up for shennanies??? + Show Spoiler [p38 (votes)] + On February 08 2018 03:39 prplhz wrote: Lets lynch like Trfel or... Rels? On February 08 2018 03:40 rsoultin wrote: I don't want to lynch Truffle. You and Rels are mostly on the same level for me. So...meh. Why isn't mderg scum, prp? On February 08 2018 03:43 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Trfel rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Holyflare, mderg (5):: trfel (1): prplhz prplhz (0):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (0): Not Voting (2): Damdred, Rels On February 08 2018 03:47 Damdred wrote: Well he wasnt doing the thing that makes him an easy townread when i was in thread anyway. After reading his later content he did a couple of the things so hes probably town. On February 08 2018 03:55 rsoultin wrote: What are those things? I mean, I think you've mentioned a meta read that you don't want to fully disclose (correct me if I'm wrong) but surely there's something you can point to that changed your mind? On February 08 2018 03:56 rsoultin wrote: Actually, also why you had him scum earlier, too. On February 08 2018 03:57 Koshi wrote: I am off playing soccer. I will be pretty mad if we dont lynch one out of prplhz or mderg. I am ok with rsoultin even though I think she is town. But it might give some closure to some townies. If we lynch mderg/prplhz I will care tomorrow. Otherwise not so much. Not a threat but more a promise to myself. I wanted my filter to be less than 20 posts and I failed. On February 08 2018 03:58 Koshi wrote: These posts from prplhz are so minimal it takes balls to play like that as mafia. Must be said. On February 08 2018 04:04 Koshi wrote: Just lynch mderg. Easy. Quick question for brownie points: Who has received the most (easy) townreads from different players in this game. I think I know and it is weird. Got to look into that. On February 08 2018 04:06 darthfoley wrote: yes, it was I! I still think that inconsistency is very weird, even after he explained it. I kinda bought it but not really Catching up now 1 hour before deadline On February 08 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote: I cant go into to much detail or ritoky will change how he plays to mimic. He had a few posts that changed my mind about him. His last post about if we have to shenanigans onto him so be it etc., felt like a typical martyr ritoky post makes as town. That was the point where i really lost any doubt. As for initially he was a bit meh opening up and seemed lazy but I wasnt here for most of hia filter so was pretty early for me I think. On February 08 2018 04:12 darthfoley wrote: I really think you're town. Don't let me down plz On February 08 2018 04:14 darthfoley wrote: This is actually quite an astute observation On February 08 2018 04:16 darthfoley wrote: You and I are the only people who don't like Trfel atm On February 08 2018 04:18 Damdred wrote: its sarcasm tina with the /s On February 08 2018 04:19 rsoultin wrote: Fair. It was partially curiosity and partially because I think that you being wrong on both me and ritoky as town would be pretty unlikely. Probably a little more curiosity because you posted something that I think you'd probably never post as scum. But I'm really not sure who it is that you actually want to lynch right now? + Show Spoiler [p39 (no votes)] + On February 08 2018 04:20 Trfel wrote: And your vote remains, or... ? On February 08 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote: Oh lol >< so that's a thing? Good to know. On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote: I could probably lynch Mocsta/prp/ maybe mderg The more I communicate with you tina the mbre i think you might be town. Mderg is a maybe he has some thinfs that look the same from last game but his scum reads are sort of meh so far. Its difficult and im atill forming opinions atm On February 08 2018 04:25 rsoultin wrote: @df And you can adjust the 'tempted' part to I'm resistant to lynching you today because of ritoky. On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote: That I thinkbyou are wrong on your scum read on koshi? On February 08 2018 04:28 Conversion wrote: I am back. Meeting ran over, typical. I would lynch prplhz. Mainly because he is the only other one that I shamelessly sheeped Koshi on, do not like his filter, and he also promised to be better this game which he is not doing. On February 08 2018 04:28 mderg wrote: I think my rsoultin scumread may actually be stupid here. On February 08 2018 04:28 rsoultin wrote: I really can't decide on mocsta. The sudden Joni vote looks kind of towny to me. The pushing one thing then shifting to you for NAI reasons matches his scum meta, and yeah my silly he shouldn't be antagonizing me reason when he knows better if he's town. I think I'd rather not try to lynch him until I've seen more from him. On February 08 2018 04:29 darthfoley wrote: Current thoughts are something like this Town Conversion Koshi Rayn Ritoky prplhz Damdred Rels HF Trfel Mocsta rsoultin/mderg Mafia Fine with mderg/rsoultin lynch. I will note how thread sentiment has kind of awkwardly turned away from rsoultin while people are simultaneously covering their asses saying they don't mind if she dies. I will also note how Mocsta has followed pretty much the same formula from last game with his treatment of rsoultin I don't like that I can't remember a single thing HF said. Not a good sign On February 08 2018 04:29 rsoultin wrote: That's unfortunate for you given I'm the main counterwagon. Who would you even want to lynch then? On February 08 2018 04:30 Damdred wrote: Explain to me why he isnt vting you then XD. Whatvdo you think of mderg now? On February 08 2018 04:30 Conversion wrote: If you are saying this point I brought up is bringing your opinion of me down, I am just saying I feel as if this could be a possibility. Who knows, though. On February 08 2018 04:30 rsoultin wrote: I don't oppose a prp lynch? I just think it's a coinflip. On February 08 2018 04:32 darthfoley wrote: I think rsoultin has put in a lot of effort but I think it's kinda NAI. Last game she ran shit and let people know what they were doing based off of her. This game she is letting her play be attached to other variables too much for my liking. (e.g. not being down to lynch me based off of ritoky's read on me. I think i've played with ritoky like once or twice.) For my science nerds out there: last game rsoultin's play was the independent variable; this game it feels like the dependent variable. On February 08 2018 04:32 rsoultin wrote: I don't know what you mean? That's ironically one of the reasons I'm leery of him. The second is not something I'll answer right now. On February 08 2018 04:33 darthfoley wrote: No, i'm saying it's bringing my opinion of you up. Sorry for the confusion. + Show Spoiler + but now i'm worried that you care about my opinion. rats! On February 08 2018 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Mate you having a fucking laugh? Your biggest scum read is started by a wagon on reasoning I created. This is so bad. I also made a giant collection of where are rsoul conversion reads case?? On February 08 2018 04:34 Conversion wrote: Hmm. My diffident nature is showing as deadline is creeping upon me.. On one hand I really dislike mderg's filter, but I am not seeing too much of a difference between here and Newbie. I have not played Newbie, though, so maybe I would have seen it differently had I been in it. On the other hand, I really disliked the majority of your Day1, and I am not sure if the recovery was enough to sway my decision... Ugh. | ||
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On February 08 2018 04:34 rsoultin wrote: This is blatantly misrepresenting my play given the whole reason I was even on scum D1 last game rather than BTDT was due to my two top townreads either townreading BTDT (Damdred) or scumreading you (KSC). On February 08 2018 04:36 Damdred wrote: why not? its literally 30 minites before eod and hes being supet ballsey and saying he doesnt want to lynch the only person who has legit chance of going over him... You should give your thougts so i can draw conclussions On February 08 2018 04:36 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- That just sounds like you should be voting me. I don't see what the waffle is about. On February 08 2018 04:37 darthfoley wrote: Fake news! Point noted though. You lived for a while after that and I felt as if you had more control over the game. Granted, that was a newbie game without Koshi/rayn. Idk, maybe i'm just trying to shore up my confidence on you given that it's so tempting to town read you for activity On February 08 2018 04:37 rsoultin wrote: -_- Really, Ian. I wanted his response first do you have to ruin everything? On February 08 2018 04:37 darthfoley wrote: Shit we're less than 30 min away from deadline On February 08 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Either rsoultin or df. Neither of prplhz or mderg is scum. I have no time to write more. On February 08 2018 04:38 Damdred wrote: to be fair about last game tina did get emotionally distraught about killing me personally and tried to bring my murderer to juatice to make up for the heinois wrongs she did On February 08 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote: Also no time to be caught up or to realize you're basing your entire vote on me (I presume) based on not reading the post where I literally quoted my df filter dive to you, but whatever. On February 08 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote: And I would have, too, if not for those meddling kids! On February 08 2018 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Was just talking about from my POV. I remember specific things koshi/conversion/rayn/prplhz have said without having to check their filters. I am not on the rsoultin wagon because of you. I came to my conclusion on my own. On February 08 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote: I'll vote to save the talking people to kill the non talking people. Honestly haven't been able to catch up and read into mderg or prplhz though. Just finishing work On February 08 2018 04:40 rsoultin wrote: Meh fuck it. Not lynching you. I really don't think I want to lynch DF either, though. On February 08 2018 04:41 Conversion wrote: You can look into my meta (past all the unfun, toxic, ragey bullshit) and you will see that by nature I am waffley. But you are right, I will remain steadfast in voting you and just have more confidence in my conclusion. On February 08 2018 04:41 mderg wrote: Yeah, I'm feeling this lynch ##vote: darthfoley On February 08 2018 04:42 Holyflare wrote: For the record my current vote means nothing. On February 08 2018 04:41 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote On February 08 2018 04:42 mderg wrote: ##unvote ##vote: darthfoley On February 08 2018 04:43 rsoultin wrote: ##vote prplhz rsoultin (3): Koshi (1): Holyflare, mderg (4):: trfel (1): prplhz prplhz (1):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (1): Not Voting (2): Damdred, Rels + Show Spoiler [p41 (no votes)] + On February 08 2018 04:42 rsoultin wrote: Lol I'm doing wonders for myself this game, aren't I? Mderg's probably not scum though so there's that. On February 08 2018 04:42 Damdred wrote: Interesting both tina and mderg are kinda trying to suicide...hmmm On February 08 2018 04:42 darthfoley wrote: lmao I made this post and you acknowledged it before you even touched rsoultin in your filter. Stop lying man On February 08 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Df how can you say you don't remember anything I wrote when i started the wagon on your biggest scum read, made several cases on her and you also spent a while flaming me? On February 08 2018 04:44 Holyflare wrote: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=20#383 ?? On February 08 2018 04:44 rsoultin wrote: I don't have a better vote than prplhz, and I'm not convinced on that either. But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/ On February 08 2018 04:45 darthfoley wrote: I was scum reading rsoultin before you even touched her in your filter. Don't claim credit where you deserve now. Just because I didn't vote her before you doesn't mean I sheeped you in any way, shape or form On February 08 2018 04:45 Holyflare wrote: No wagon forms until I elaborated and posted about it. Which is again what rayn scum reads you for. You're trying to take credit for my push but you didn't push anything. On February 08 2018 04:45 rsoultin wrote: Oh, yeah that. That was pretty shit actually lol. Half of it was based on this idea that my ritoky scumread was an association read. On February 08 2018 04:46 darthfoley wrote: Please believe me when I tell you that I never saw this post lol. I shit you not. Gimme a minute On February 08 2018 04:47 darthfoley wrote: I'm not claiming credit for starting the wagon. I am saying that it's unfair to imply that I somehow sheeped your reasoning when I stated my reasoning before you did. On February 08 2018 04:47 rsoultin wrote: Like you honestly could have said the same thing just by saying I didn't have a clear scumread on Conversion. Quoting the posts where I was talking about poking him for a joke and talking about ritoky not pursuing the one read that appeared to actually be a scumread of his is pretty disingenous. On February 08 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote: "I scum read her first!" is also SUCH a bs retort to my question on why am I not town to you when I'm pushing and did in fact start the wagon on rsoul, your biggest scum read. Saying you did it first means nothing. If I did push your scum read I should be much higher up your town list and more importantly your shade throwing at me shouldn't exist because all I've done is push your scum read! On February 08 2018 04:49 Damdred wrote: so do you think he is scum hf? On February 08 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote: This is distracting from the more relevant fact that Mderg is town and being lynched and frankly I could care less whose e-penis is bigger. On February 08 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote: Look my man; it will probably infuriate you when I tell you that I didn't see your spoilered post. I catch up in bed at like 5:30AM before school and I missed it. If it makes you feel better, I read the post and I like it quite a bit. If I were to redo my reads list, you'd be higher on the town side. Thanks for clarifying On February 08 2018 04:51 rsoultin wrote: !!!!! + Show Spoiler [p42 (no votes)] + On February 08 2018 04:52 darthfoley wrote: This is not what I understood HF's point to be at all On February 08 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote: I don't care if mderg is town and getting lynched though. On February 08 2018 04:52 Holyflare wrote: I haven't read him. On February 08 2018 04:52 darthfoley wrote: You're saying this but you aren't consolidating on a wagon or trying to push a wagon On February 08 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote: Heres the problem hf/df i do not thinl at this time tina is getting lynched unless hf switches and i hammer. But we do need to consolidate at this time. For thw record tinas postings havent been bad since i got back On February 08 2018 04:53 Holyflare wrote: I don't need to consolidate on anything though. If I have to I'll save rsoul because she types words though. On February 08 2018 04:53 rsoultin wrote: I'm voting prp instead of piling onto your sorry ass. On February 08 2018 04:53 darthfoley wrote: If prplhz is mafia then he has big boy balls. I would be surprised. He's had a couple out of the box reads (namely scum!Trfel) that I don't think a low activity mafia would care to make. On February 08 2018 04:54 Conversion wrote: I am being pulled into another meeting. I will remain confident per rsoultin's call out on my play and stick with my vote. I have a good list of town reads that I will need to most likely re-evaluate during night. I hope we get more activity from the inactive players to help push town to victory. On February 08 2018 04:54 rsoultin wrote: He's pulling off his only chance for survival. No way he does that as scum. On February 08 2018 04:55 rsoultin wrote: Well I hardly know who else I'd even try to consolidate on unless it's you, which is still not something I want to do >< On February 08 2018 04:55 darthfoley wrote: ................................................................................... You'll save rsoultin even though you just claimed your claim to fame was casing her on why she's mafia... because she types words? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/MwqRAHcAQMyzWi9J9zeKksWxdqY=/1200x627/2012%2F12%2F04%2F98%2Fespnpersona.bO4.jpg) On February 08 2018 04:55 Holyflare wrote: For what reason did he give? On February 08 2018 04:57 Holyflare wrote: I haven't caught up properly other than super skim and she wrote more words and came back after quitting so yes. On February 08 2018 04:57 Conversion wrote: He did mention a page-ish back that he would consolidate to lynch non-talkers over talkers. Or something like that. On February 08 2018 04:57 darthfoley wrote: Idk I guess. My philosophy is lynch the person you think is most mafia. + Show Spoiler [p43 (votes)] + On February 08 2018 04:58 Damdred wrote: i guess mderg is goimg to be the lynch today On February 08 2018 04:58 rsoultin wrote: @.@ we're lynching town On February 08 2018 04:58 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote mderg On February 08 2018 04:58 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote ##vote darthfoley On February 08 2018 04:59 Damdred wrote: ##vote rsoultin rsoultin (4): Koshi (0): mderg (5):: trfel (1): prplhz prplhz (0):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): darthfoley (2): Not Voting (1): Rels On February 08 2018 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Most of my good feelings are also on mderg. Conversion is bugging me. I like everything he says but it all looks like mafia speak too. On February 08 2018 04:59 rsoultin wrote: vote df hurry! On February 08 2018 04:59 rsoultin wrote: 1 minute to deadline! On February 08 2018 05:03 prplhz wrote: So either I have balls or I'm town. Thanks for the scum read I guess! On February 08 2018 05:04 Skynx wrote: Night 1 Morgan Lagravière abandons after collision with OFNI (objet flottant non-identifié) takes out his starboard rudder. You call that a fucking avarie?? You know back in the day people made a second fucking mast after getting dismasted and finished? Chat shit get banged little kid stick to small boats please. mderg, the Mafia Framer as Morgan Lagravière was lynched! This is now Night 1. You have to send night actions. Send them to both hosts please! | ||
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On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote: Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game. I just see no value in stating this to a town player. The only motive I think that is acceptable is scum distancing. | ||
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p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg. hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there. His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77. My revised reads list: town Ritoky darthfoley Conversion rsoultin Koshi Holyflare prplhz null land disinformation scummy Damdred raynpelikoneet === prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum. | ||
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On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote: make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).I'll explain why it is bad. "I dont understand" Those 3 words. Are Supershit. Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree? | ||
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On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote: Ohh I see now.Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand. But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck. DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now. DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution. And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg" There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile. Because rsoultin was his scum read, he should default to thinking both wagons were scum. | ||
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lol. im still rayn top scum read lol. hes basically conceding granted, i have bought into the wifom. damdred is probably town and rayn wants to lap up town cred. | ||
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will benefit thread regardless. i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon. rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons (1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back (2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion) its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game). | ||
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On February 09 2018 13:35 Mocsta wrote: this^^ I REALLY HATE THIS exchange On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). On February 07 2018 20:29 mderg wrote: Be honest, you're only townreading me because I'm on the same page as you on rsoultin. I haven't done shit this game. I just see no value in stating this to a town player. The only motive I think that is acceptable is scum distancing. its still a terrible exchange | ||
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On February 09 2018 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Im so insulted right now, you have successfully tilted me rayn.I honestly won't read any of your posts because after your rsoultin case every single thing you have scumread someone for is that you create your own narrative and make it fit to what someone posted. It's bad, and if you are not in fact mafia then you should not do it. Original Message From Sphinxx: You are Jules Verne (FRA), a Mad Hatter. You win with town. | ||
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On February 09 2018 20:49 Holyflare wrote: how so. it was an adaption of the EoD post?That's kind of ruined the game in fact. | ||
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On February 09 2018 20:56 Conversion wrote: its only against the rules if the same from the host.Why did Mocsta just post a PM? Fake or not. Wasn’t that against the rules? Weird play.. Get over it This is what brings you to thread. Pfft | ||
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good morning to you tooApologies if in your filter but do you think one of hf and rayn MUST be acum? | ||
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On February 09 2018 21:00 Conversion wrote: shut.. thats a good point about bussingI don’t see me being unclear. A rsoultin + mderg team would mean that mafia played that EoD horribly, which is why I am less incluned to believe that she is mafia. However, that’s under the assumption that mafia is playing ideally. I know for sure that would have bitten me in the ass when you bussed your partner with Zen had you not gotten mod killed— which is why I am leaving this option as a possibility. You of all people should know that I tend to keep possibilities open whether they make sense or not. In our coached thread I considered tens of options and doubted myself even though I might have been on the right track and kept questioning what was right or not. In last game. I think it was damdred talking about himself. Anyways said that as scum he LOVES to bus. So mderf vote would line up well. | ||
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In retrospect of trfel analysis and reading eod1 again. I think your uncertainty to vote mderg is fine. I cant remember anything disinfo has done since night1 which isnt a good thing. Gonna focus there tomorrow. | ||
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Like hes pocketed me not by being nice or agreeing with me. But treating me like absolute shit lol I really cant see him doing that as scum. At least not over other potentials. Perhaps rels slot is the best option then. | ||
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On February 07 2018 08:43 darthfoley wrote: i just dont see df bussing here.. so many other names he could have usedI've played like 3-4 games in a row where I have had significant pressure on D1 and it's annoying and frustrating, especially when the accusations are false or lazy as hell. So yea, i'm gonna be salty and I don't really want lectures from people who flame the fuck out of other players acting high and mighty about it. People accusing me of being a sideliner somehow should take a look at mderg's filter to grasp the meaning of a sideliner. | ||
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I get why df is annoying and irritating and has at times shown both excellent and very poor logic. But i still dont know why that makes him scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=darthfoley&view=all Reading the THREE pages again. The vibe is so different. Just read it please. Check out when he describes why i am scum with his TMI This game. His interactions with mderg show progression and not a deep insight into motive. Rather finding holes in logic. This is very indicative of town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?user=darthfoley&view=all Gonna stop posting about him now. | ||
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On January 18 2018 22:02 Damdred wrote: Im an evil person who busses just for lolz and credit when I shouldn't, So yeah I would bash a team mate for lolz like Df did. But we will see I suppose as long as we can work together and lynch one of them today. | ||
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I just skimmed through rayn last 3 scum games in database. Im not feeling him as a good lynch option. I have a feeling me and him scum/town objectives have similar goals. I think thr key to discerning may be the (unpredictable) aggression as town. .... Like im quite confused now. Conversion had on reflection good content day1 Df has what is to me natural progressiom with mderg Rayn as per above Prplhz as scum actually posts A LOT more in general Ritoky is not on table due to heuristic about early vote.. i want to see him contribute more instead od just taking dumps on me. Damdred..hf has good points to lynch and odd interactions with mderg before wagon take off. Hf reminds me of last game but a touch more subdued. Could just be irl busy Rsoultin. Nothing has registered at all since second half of day1. Meh. Had to get this out so i can sleep Sorry for clogging thread. | ||
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Reasonable is subjective Im not sure how yoy have missed this since rayn shit up an entire page about it | ||
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Did rsoultin progression from mderg to prplhz feel natural? Like... she votes prplhz after a few ppl expressed interest. But a free pages before that..IIRC she is saying mderg is lynchworthy. Is there anything indicating thag read dropping to null and then mdeef = town??? | ||
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Day Two Vote Count Damdred (5): Holyflare, Mocsta, Koshi, rsoultin, disinformation Mosta (1): raynpelikoneet Not Voting (7): Damdred, ritoky, darthfoley, Conversion, prplhz, [b][blue]Damdred is currently the designated lynch. i also thought conversion would have laid a vote by now too.[/QUOTE] | ||
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all i can see is 13 pages of "yes he is scum".. "o sorry i was skimming" A couple events by itself dont make you scummy; yet here we are on Day2, you dont have pressure, and there is no change in output. if you truly are pressed for time, there is much analysis this cycle, of which your feedback is appreciated. | ||
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Rechecked the past 24hrs and agree - damdred is town. Voting rsoultin cos she says she is busy, but keeps popping in to add nothing. ##Unvote, ##Vote: rsoultin | ||
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On February 10 2018 09:03 ritoky wrote: thank you ritoky. I do appreciate that, in particular from you.i get why mocsta is probably town...the vote logic, the anger, the effort. i get it. but idk the fake pm, the bolding slip, the hours of research on inconsequential points, the lack of stupid townie thoughts, the vacillating. it just wears you down. You probably didnt mean it how it came across, but I shall take it as written in stone. | ||
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On February 10 2018 09:04 Koshi wrote: recheck how the day progressed.Damdred is mafia. im not so certain. | ||
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means I have faith anyways, wasted enough time in my life this cycle on the game. im lynching rsoultin - going to give closure regardless of alignment. see you @ night phase. | ||
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On February 10 2018 08:27 rsoultin wrote: not sure if coming back tinaScum between Rayn/df/damdred. The much analysis I'm clearly not processing fully by skimming on phone. I'll read more thoroughly tomorrow and you can prod all you want then. I was entirely transparent about not spending time on this these two days, so it should be obvious why I haven't been around. Obviously my Damdred point was completely wrong, but I don't think that negates my Joni read at all. Would like a final read on DF please. | ||
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Im assuming Rayn is cop and checked Damdred. I just dont get how someone can pronounce him town THAT fucking strongly. Or he is scum and knows Damdred is town. I didnt really want to say it, but, fuckn, i have to peace out 8hrs before lynch. I dont want to leave my vote with this type of uncertainty. Theres very little consolidation this game, and it feels like d2 will be a repeat (where a flurry of votes will land in last 5 minutes). That is concerning; as mafia may be commanding 2 of those votes. The other problem with last 5 minute vote swings is that, in the heat of the moment, logic drops out the window. and then we persecute people for that. I dont like it. volatile environments create volatile decisions. Im going to a party tonight, so this is probably my last post. Im leaving it on rsoultin. | ||
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On February 11 2018 07:12 Damdred wrote: or replacebut wifom incoming, if i was scum with my dad in the hospital and being sick myself i would concede. but im town and i was right about d1 lynch sorta That i can believe. Ironicay this same point os unfavourable for rels slot | ||
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I really dont think prplhz is scum. Meta read. Much more present when he has inside info and his differenr opinions this game ceetainly are not disruptive to lynching scum. I havent dived disinfo but not sure if an excited puppy that wants or just keeping up activity. He said ISTJ so i think he is fitting that well so would be most likely town. Not a confident read though. Damdred and others need a reread. I want to lynch scum 3 days in a row if thats not clear enough. | ||
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On February 11 2018 08:39 Holyflare wrote: townI forgot what I am. You are like my strongest read | ||
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Darthfoley is last scum Also explains trfel nk. I treated him as pussy scum prior but this game he came in and rsoultin was already heat. So explains why therw is deviation in my expected play. Few other things but thats all i can be bothered to write. | ||
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On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote: He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer On February 06 2018 05:28 rsoultin wrote: I would bet both my nuts this is town to scum.... scum have qt to discuss this crap.Lol, dude, you actually had me checking to see if there were a possible serial killer in this game @.@ + Show Spoiler [P.S.] + I still have: ![[image loading]](http://www.vitalhealthnutrition.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Walnuts.jpg) | ||
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On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote: I think this also clears ritoky. I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today. Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you. Rayn and truffle are town. DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum. What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. Note the addition of mderg @ the top which is classic scum play to hedge a set of reads with a team member; again a heuristic to strengthen a town read on: conversion + ritoky. The DF support is very interesting - in particular the phrasing. Note the thread sentiment at this point in time: - trfel = heaps of town cred - trfel scum reading DF. Several agree with this. - rsoultin could easily bandwagon; but instead we get "kinda towny' (which equally means "kinda scummy") and a scum push on AFK ritoky. Hey hey.. look its Marco the soft bus!! ![[image loading]](https://www.bettshow.com/__media/libraries/bett-products-list/082449BB-5056-B762-907A9E3651827E37-supporting_image_1.JPG) Do yourself a favour and ctrl+f "darth" or "df" within Rsoultin filter | ||
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Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: rsoultin (4): Koshi (1): Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): prplhz (1):: Conversion (0): Holyflare (0): ritoky (0): Not Voting (1): Rels Day Two Final Vote Count rsoultin (5): raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, Conversion, darthfoley, Damdred Damdred (3): Holyflare, raynpelikoneet (0): Conversion (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): Koshi, rsoultin Mocsta (0): mderg + rsoultin knew they were under big heat Day1. rsoultin was going to get lynched Day2 or Day3 regardless. Once it became clear that mderg was a real wagon, it makes TOTAL sense to place votes during the T-5 clusterfuck on their last remaining scum buddy - after all, that is their ONLY chance to win and gets to ride the scum softbus wagon. THINK ABOUT IT! | ||
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On February 11 2018 20:49 Holyflare wrote: Disingenuous in a scummy way? Was he actively trying to prevent an rsoultin lynch; or just putting out an opinion?This is super disingenuous btw. Damdred had one page of filter day 1 and now he has like a million. | ||
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The thing I assume is that, whether the scum team was 2 person or 3 person on Day1; if Rayn/Mocsta/HF all think rsoultin is scum early Day1; I can seem them jumping on board out of fear (a la mderg). What I will be looking out for is whether anyone on the rsoultin train was angling to jump off PRIOR to mderg wagon taking off. Once mderg came about, scum were fucked no matter what they did; so would have engaged WIFOM mode. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=6#119 FFS. point2 was spot on. | ||
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Will be voting you tomorrow now ! Whoops i slipped. I know i will be here.. rayns now gonna make a case | ||
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Pro tip. I already have flawless scum win (against marv too ) | ||
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The hatter lives on | ||
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Vt dont care sk Ritoky was right 1 post can make someone irrevocably town or scum! Interesting game though snd for me highlights importance of wagon timing. First 24hrs rarely remain. Ppl get too itchy for a variety of reasons | ||
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Main problems beng 2 fold. 1. Too much filler in 12 pages. Even after being let off for 48hrs. 2. Too good a game prior.. | ||
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I assume damdred had to post to avoid activity punishment. Anyways. Good outcome. This will be my last game. Been a pleasure, mostly. Unfortunately, i can see why TL has declined. It takes effort to play mafia in general and to be ignored / shit on under the guise of "bad play" makes that effort pointless. You (or at least I) wouldnt put up with this in real life, so why put up with it on the keyboard. Thanks again to trfel and koshi for being the only 2 of 13 that read what i wrote. Good luck for your future games. | ||
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On February 14 2018 06:28 disformation wrote: This is more what i mean, yes.maybe he means like "everyone called me, town but ignored my cases & good posts"? I didn't have issues with any particular person (Conversion included), I meant literally what was stated prior. When you work full-time, to play mafia the way it was intended (i.e. = interact meaningfully everyday) takes A LOT of effort - which becomes an even larger sacrifice when you have regular commitments (e.g family) My key motivation for playing was never to "find mafia, lynch mafia". Rather, I subtly deviate to: "find mafia together, lynch mafia together" - I just have an unique way of showing it Being out of timezone & having posts ignored (whether large or small) equates to limited satisfaction that does not justify the Perhaps voice mafia is more appropriate, but even that seems like it may not be a thing anymore? | ||
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I think it would have been vastly different if town lynched rsoultin Day1 (i.e. if mderg hadnt become a wagon option). In fact, I am not entirely sure mderg/Damdred would have been lynched Day2 at all. For me, the tides of the game changed with this post (at least for me): + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2018 19:45 Koshi wrote: imo the townies this game are destroying each other. Which is fine if you come to a point we all sing kumbaya together in the end. My point on prplhz is good. Him having a problem with the bad tr from df on me without having a problem with me is also slightly more mafia. Mderg is super sideline like others have been saying. Me first though. He has no original thoughts and have had the solo "I am tired I dont want to play" post mafia makes more often than town. Damdred could be a butterfly who is now sleeping as a cocoon. But he could be mafia easily as well. Very easily. Rels w.e. We cant know. | ||
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I can have trouble communicating my gut feel, which tends to over compensating - cos (as HF + Rayn may remember) I used to be known for "moclogic". Either way, if only I stuck with this Day1. If only we li On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote: Minor stream of consciousness incoming. I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go. Maintaining on rsoultin pros: 1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason. 2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon. Maintaining rsoultin cons: 1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy. 2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered. Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option. mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game which I have that vibe association with him this game. df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking) rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position. conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK. other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point. | ||
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Perhaps your ace logic can be put to good use by reflecting how YOU can improve; after all, you were ?flawless? in your obs warrior quest prior?. My own thoughts on post-restrictions, is that I have played one game many years ago (hosted by Ver) and the outcome did not match the predicted result - for many reasons including what Rayn already highlighted. I also think with different timezones, 48hrs is required to allow at least some meaningful interactions to occur. One post-restriction nights may be something that can force people to reflect on the game -> thus improving analytical content. Further, with the limited pool of players, people are overall more familiar with each others meta. I suspect this tends towards games increasingly becoming town-favored. Perhaps a slight setup change is required (beyond adding an SK). I don't know enough about theory to understand what roles could be added to town/mafia to make it a bit more engaging. However, I do also understand the argument that this would never work given prplhz interaction as medic this game. A ? for now. Ciao guys and gals, its been a blast, and in particular these 2 games were a nice walk down memory lane. It is truly a shame that the community has depleted like this, and I sincerely hopes a way is found to keep newbies involved - for that, I don't have any deep insight. I assume the current protocol relies on: [A] People to find TL Mafia - i.e. a very small % of a small pond that drys out further each year; and, [B] TL Mafia is maintained by a group of "volunteers" (e.g. shout out to Kitaman and co); which effectively places a handicap on the ability to proactively market new demographics. Therefore, I imagine the simplest means of marketing would be to play cross-community games HOSTED on TL Mafia to show case why the TL Mafia atmosphere can be fun to play in. I don't know if this effort has taken place prior, aside from championship games which is a whole different kettle of fish (read: ego-stroke). But if i take the time to reflect, after the first round of championship games 4-5years ago, I left TL to play Daily Mafia. Why cant it work in reverse today. On that note: Good luck. P.S. Artanis you are a lucky man. I truly was impressed by rsoultin last game. To me, it doesnt matter whether she solved the game or not, she created a town atmosphere where people were truly interacting and getting enjoyment out of trying to solve the game TOGETHER, leading to a game that solves itself over the course. Its those (extremely) rare games that make me go, this is what I enjoy about mafia - even though unfortunately, I was on the other side | ||
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Taking accountability to better ones self is much more difficult. Your commentary above indicates a long journey ahead. Take care, have fun. P.S. obs last game. | ||
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