Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII

On January 24 2018 16:39 Rels wrote:

Yep.

Newbie Student Mafia XXVI
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/522886-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi
13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante.

Newbie Student Mafia XXV
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv
13 players, 10 town vs 3 scum. 2 blues: Doctor + Vigilante.

Newbie Student Mafia XVIII
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii
12 players, 9 town vs 3 scum. 1 blue : Cop.

On January 24 2018 16:42 Rels wrote:

And ?

On January 24 2018 16:52 Rels wrote:
yeah it makes no sense. We don't have 2 investigatives in a newbie.
##Vote Damerion

On January 24 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote:


You think there's a protective role that healed afk btdt 2 nights in a row?

On January 24 2018 18:41 Mocsta wrote:

well roleblocker is more synonymous with vig + protective role

whilst godfather with cop.

i.e. likely that scum have an RB.

On January 24 2018 18:50 beentheredonethat wrote:

That's quite the cool play and I like that theory.

A scum roleblocker is confirmed, so is a goon. Makes GF perfectly possible.

However next step is pretty clear. Holyflare is still alive, and it's D3, so we should absolutely kill Holyflare.

On January 24 2018 18:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Apparently we're lynching Damerion, is there a red check?

On January 24 2018 19:02 beentheredonethat wrote:

No counterclaim yet you guys are lynching him? Well who am I to stand in your way.


Don't be harsh. Be nice, be constructive, treat me well .

On January 24 2018 19:08 beentheredonethat wrote:

I did yet I don't understand why people don't believe the claim he made. However I haven't read the previous 40 pages so who am I to judge.

On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:

- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed

Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea.

On January 24 2018 19:41 Rels wrote:

how does that feel to be the one being parroted ? p:

On January 24 2018 20:41 Mocsta wrote:
Do you think we can vote for early day?

On January 24 2018 20:38 Holyflare wrote:


Specifically by my earlier post I thought btdt was claiming blue since there'd be no other way to know you were rbd unless your power was getting shit on. But they're notified so it's whatever now.

On January 24 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:
that explains the weird posts earlier. But I find them passive. Talking about:




Like, you just learned that BTDT AND Damerion both claimed blue. This is huge info, one of them is scum! Damerion, who you thought during the night was cop, got counterclaimed! But instead of raging reactions, we got this. It seems very underwhelming for such a realization.

On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.

Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.

I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.

In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.

As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them.

On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:


I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion.

As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion.

As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage.

On January 24 2018 22:44 Damerion wrote:


I believe with all of my heart with Rsoultin dead I would have a majority of the votes at this moment with nobody really looking to talk to me about it. The most important role would be reduced to a 0 gain at deadline as well as start of day.

On January 24 2018 22:52 Damerion wrote:


I do not think I am being emo, or pessimistic. Realistic that people as mderg have been fixated on me since d1 and a death of Rsoultin if they are town just fixes it more firmly in their heads.

I have given my explanation for claiming early, it only has positive benefits for town.

On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim?

On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:

One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.

On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:


I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.

On January 24 2018 23:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Which brings me back to the original "wait, D3 and HF is alive" thing which I came up with jokingly. Reading OP is for scum and chumps he says yet he's not considered to be a chump, eh?

I mean we're still lynching into uncced blue.

On January 20 2018 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
reckon the mafia QT was like

darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked

hf, damerion - got your back fam.


---
this is not town damdred

look at damdred he is so scum.

----

dramatised obvz.

On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:


No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is.

It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less.

Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.

On January 25 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:


The town one.

On January 25 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:

continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play.

If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore.

On January 25 2018 01:30 Holyflare wrote:


Because in a race between town damdred, mafia dathfoley and questionable alignment btdt in which any single one of them could be lynched mafia darthfoley switched to btdt instead of damdred. Compare that to someone under the hammer claiming cop with 2 greens then yeah, not really a contest.

On January 25 2018 01:37 beentheredonethat wrote:

But this stays fishy, plus the claim not being a red-check claim.

On January 25 2018 01:37 Rels wrote:
Im pretty sure that makes you scum actually. Gotta have to reread what you've softed exactly when I'm home.

On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:
I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.

Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +

Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.

On January 25 2018 23:13 Mocsta wrote:

Not sure if this is a typo

As can be construes that you are awarsing HF toen points lol

Im pretty sure this isnt what you meant

On January 25 2018 23:27 Mocsta wrote:
Hf comment is understood now

Anything to do with damerion today is wifom
Eslecially because thread absence does not ewuate to qt absence

I think caution should br applied in particular when he also was fishing for a counter claim

Definitely not pro town mkve. Even more so with coaching factor

On January 26 2018 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
Are we just neglecting that kmatt's main scum read was a town read and he magics things out of thin air?

On January 26 2018 16:28 Holyflare wrote:


In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me.

I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out.

On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
not a good idea

Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle

Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum

Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare

I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy.

Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy

On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind

On January 26 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:


Link a game since I've been working where I've been anything close to past me. You can't because it doesn't exist.

On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:


That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.

On January 26 2018 20:00 Holyflare wrote:


"stop playing the victim, I always reconsider"
"it's too dangerous to lynch someone else"

:D :D :D

On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:


No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there.

You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????

On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt.

On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:
the only benefit of this is a vet

Mafia can rb themselves too

Wifom indeed

On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:
JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.

On January 26 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:


No, it doesn't prove anything at all but it's my honest thought process. That's all I've done this game is outline my thoughts and how I've behaved and why. If you don't believe it and say I'm mafia then it's whatever but this is a pointless discussion that you always accuse me of because it's my town word vs your narrative about me being mafia.

Like I said, I'm probably going to be lynched but that's absolutely fine, stop wasting your time on it. You're going to be wrong so let's talk about other people and why they're mafia. Like Kmatt and why he can't produce a single credible read.

On January 26 2018 21:13 Rels wrote:

hehe p:
if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory

On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads

tahts an exact replica of what we discussed

hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum

yes 100% confirmed.

what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.

On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer

you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right

its stupid.

yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed.

On January 26 2018 22:02 Rels wrote:

In a way I agree, 100% is a way of saying it's past any reasonnable doubts. But in this case I really think it's near 100%. Because, put yourself in the place of the scumteam. They decide to fake a roleblock. Why wouldn't they use the roleblock on this kill target ? It's a free action that only has benefits; it's not like anybody is gonna notice it, since their kill target willl ... well, be killed; but if their kill target is a veteran or a vig, it's a net gain.

On January 26 2018 22:42 Mocsta wrote:
The other alternative was they were afraid a medic was out

Like this converdation is ridiculous

Id yoy want ro discuss strategy then weigh all options
Its the definition od tunneled and im glad at least rels can see it

Again
Ifnyou want ro say btdt 99% town go ahead. I tend to agree.

However btst is not 100% confirmed in amy way shape or form
Frankly ita disgraceful to perpetuate that type of non sense to people not reading this as analytically

On January 26 2018 22:46 Mocsta wrote:
Because your statement has an exclusion clause

By definition it is not "confirmed"

I dont give a shit anymore
Bye

On January 26 2018 22:50 Mocsta wrote:
I give a shit about this because this type of thinking leads to a self fulfilling prophecy thay hf is lynched tomorrow

Everyone ahould be approaching this day with open eyes and ears

On January 26 2018 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
Ummm no

Open your eyes

In your mind you made a statement about in your words "neae confirmed"

Now one has openly interpretted as 100% confirmed and thenother indicates full agreement via "smart"

Ithink its relevant and will leave that as my last words.

On January 26 2018 22:58 Rels wrote:
Mocsta, if you think BTDT is 99% town, then we are all in agreement

On January 26 2018 23:20 Holyflare wrote:
After repeatedly asking you to do anything else because you're wrong on me you're just repeating the same things. You're also trying to buddy jat super hard.

On January 26 2018 23:56 Holyflare wrote:
Are you that fucking tunnelled that you think I'm posting nothing but whining? The entire time I've been telling you to do other stuff and pointing out kmatt while you yell absurdities about how good you're being.

On January 27 2018 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, let's hypothetically say I'm not mafia. Who is mafia now then? Low hanging fruit analogy is bull shit when it's not btdt who already looked fine, it's not likely twat/jat because they looked fine at the beginning of the game (yes, I said they might be mafia this cycle but ignore that) it's probably not rels. So that leaves mocsta, who was my scum read or kmatt who has become my scum read.

I looked into kmatt, I found a lot of inconsistencies and points that were strange and made a case. His filter is really small and full of just posting for literally the sake of posting pretty much +1ing or being contradictory to a main wagon. He has no scum reads, he scum read a town read and that's about it.

On January 27 2018 01:23 beentheredonethat wrote:
I think Mafia doesn't know the exact setup.

If they know that a veteran is in, they'd stack roleblocks with KP. The fact that I got roleblocked twice pretty much means that someone in the scum team thought I'm playing so super low volume because I'm a blue.

Now that's a nice thing to know but it doesn't help in the slightest. I do realize that I'm going to be dead soon tho because, well, I'm confirmed town.

On January 27 2018 01:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
the thing is that if Rels is so tunneled on someone, it always ends up a guy being town and then Rels flips town when he gets lynched in lylo for whatever weird reason. So we're gonna lose this game because of this nightkill, a holyflare mislynch into a Rels mislynch.

On January 27 2018 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Damerion says: "I have a green check on BTDT". Kmatt says: "I believe the claim! I'm lynching BTDT."

On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
So that only works if he thinks I'm the godfather but for some reason, he didn't have this thought before. Why did he not have this thought before? Because it's vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb, he's a goon and he's not aware that town isn't aware of the scum roles.

On January 27 2018 01:32 beentheredonethat wrote:

There shouldn't be a godfather in. Vig/Cop are both investigative. I'm locked on vig/doc vs. goon/goon/rb.

On January 27 2018 01:33 beentheredonethat wrote:

whoa u think so? I think it's actually a decent thought. Makes sense to me. What's your preference?

On January 27 2018 01:34 beentheredonethat wrote:

Why is a godfather guaranteed because a town player that does not know the setup thinks a cop is in?

On January 27 2018 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's not fucking wifom. I am a no risk mafia player that takes the safest route possible and would never not rb a kill with a veteran possible. Especially if it's notified. If you're saying I didn't read the op as mafia that's dumb but I can see you making that argument anyway but even then I still do the same thing.

On January 27 2018 01:49 beentheredonethat wrote:

I am all the time talking about Kmatt being scum and hesistant to lynch his buddy.

On January 27 2018 02:03 Rels wrote:

This is the part I don't understand. Why do you say Kmatt is listing you as town ? Or are you talking about Damerion listing you as town ?

On January 27 2018 03:45 beentheredonethat wrote:

let's see after this game who was right about Kmatt and who wasn't

On January 27 2018 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:

*yawn*
you might want to go back to playing the game but if you insist on toxic baiting, well who am I to stop you

On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:


Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle.

On January 27 2018 05:03 mderg wrote:
Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?

On January 27 2018 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
I saw you claim blue. If I was mafia I would without a doubt kill you because you're confirmed town AND blue and the rber is dead.

On January 27 2018 09:16 Holyflare wrote:


He's the doctor. So no.

On January 27 2018 09:22 Holyflare wrote:










He's said it about three times out of the blue and seemed sure. I want to win the game by hopefully not dying and convincing people because that's more fun for me than just yelling and dying and then you lynching kmatt afterwards and I don't care if I out the blue anyway. I'd much rather have some fun and just reveal my alignment by actually doing dumb things that a mafia hf wouldn't ever do. Like not killing the doc with no rb left.

On January 27 2018 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
So today the plan of action is really quite simple. Kmatt turns up and actually has to post some reads and give explanations for his reads throughout the game. He promised them by the end of last night and much like his partner didn't provide them. You must hold him accountable because his only out is to wagon on me.

On January 27 2018 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
In fact I'd much rather we skip 48 hours of this game so we can get to next cycle without me being in the way. The amount of bull shit rels spouts is just far too much for me to care anymore.

Just make sure you question the shit out of kmatt because he's not 100% scum even if it's very likely. Mocsta is still on the table.

On January 27 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote:
I genuinely think I wouldn't push mafia agenda this hard as mafia lol.

Either way, I think you should be looking into kmatt/mocsta and eventually rels if it gets to that.

I think what rels posted about mdergs vote on damerion on the day prplhz got lynched is quite a redeeming factor for him.

I think Mocsta is pretty much just commenting on random things in the game and existing. I don't know how to explain it other than that. If I try and look back and remember anything Mocsta has said the entirety of the game then I draw a huge blank because nothing has stood out, nothing is memorable. All I see are random soliloquies, they fall on deaf ears and he doesn't seem to care. There's no passion or anything behind his words. He also tried to be hipster on all the lynches we've had so far. On Damdred it wasn't that he got caught out in some weird meta thing it was that he was appealing to people's emotions and definitely not to do with the other thing. Even scum read me straight after damdred despite having the same scum read. Felt very unnatural.

Kmatt has pretty much had no scum reads, has commented on random things. Said his town read was scummy for afking (despite afking multiple times this game), has a scum read on btdt for ...? and has a scum read on Mocsta for being hollow but then town reads Mocsta for the cop check and scum reads btdt even though they are the same check. It's just arbitrary assigning of things. Now that the cop has flipped those two people should come back on his radar but we haven't heard a single thing in terms of reads from him. I asked him one simple question about it and he returned and ignored it. Now that rels has started pushing me I've magically jumped into the limelight despite not once in this entire game has he called me mafia.

Then there's that giant post he wrote which has backwards logic about how if I was town I have already won the game by lynching him but if he's town that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If he's town and I'm town then me backing off and giving him a chance to explain his things should be perfect for him because then there's a chance the game isn't lost if he gets lynched. I still don't understand it. Will he ever explain it? Doubt it.

If all else fails just lynch rels. Everything I post he just writes a mafia narrative for it. I've asked him to back off and reconsider a different world because he WILL be wrong but he just repeats the same narrative again. He fails to explore alternatives and I guarantee after I get lynched it will be "oh, he played so bad it's his fault" rather than his fault for not even engaging in different scenarios. Everyone already knows his case on me so why can't he just let it rest and theorise about other scenarios where he could be wrong? It all seems very forced to me. Way too over the top.

On January 27 2018 23:08 Holyflare wrote:


I mean so are you? Just look at me being town, even if you want to vote me, and do the same. Not rocket science tbh.

On January 27 2018 23:09 Holyflare wrote:
I think Mocsta's reaction to the btdt rb situation looked really bad like he wanted to keep all his options open on who to lynch somehow. Maybe. He's voting to save me so he can't be all that bad.

On January 27 2018 23:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
That means doc saved (2 confirmed) or vet got shot (1 confirmed)

In case of vet, claim now. Same goes for doc.

On January 27 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
rels led the damerion vote thay day

Mderg was last on that wagon

Do you tjink rels could have bussed?

On January 28 2018 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:

Who are your question marks?

On January 28 2018 06:05 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yeah and that bothers me a lot. I have no reason to believe mocsta, jat or mderg are town.

On January 28 2018 06:10 beentheredonethat wrote:

Okay, so who are in danger of being lynched and who is ranked highest on this list, for you?

On January 28 2018 06:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
just for the record, as long as jat's alive, I'll vote him over everyone else. Toxicity and ignorance is not exactly something I'm interested in.

On January 28 2018 06:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
now this is classic btdt

On January 28 2018 06:36 Holyflare wrote:


oho ho

On January 28 2018 06:58 beentheredonethat wrote:

I have not been toxic in this game. Ive been toxic before but what youre doing all this game is being hostile and ad hom towards me. I asked you to stop it, you refused. So youre either scum trying to tilt me or an asshole. Id prefer the first thing since this is a game where we (and the newbies!) Are supposed to have fun. If you as a veteran choose to act how you do without a reason, it gives a shitty impression of tje tl.net playerbase. So i really hope for you youre scum.

On January 28 2018 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
Let's just chill out and drop it. No more talk about not game related stuff please. Talk about who is mafia other than me because otherwise you're wasting time.

On January 28 2018 13:35 Holyflare wrote:


I don't think Damerion responds to a partner like this with more evidence to clarify a read to justify his damdred wagon. It seems as though he is doing what he can to convince mderg in this situation.

It's weak but its something to me.

On January 28 2018 21:56 Holyflare wrote:


I didn't agree with the Damerion read on Damdred, at all. I didn't particularly care for the meta. I cared about Damdred's reaction and his follow up to who he was pushing. A couple of things made it reallllyyyy unlikely he was town for me:

1. His acceptance of the meta. I just thought it was an insane coincidence that he accepted that it was true and conveniently wanted to change it to the detriment of his town game within one or two games. I thought accepting it essentially confirmed him mafia and he was just scared of Damerion's push because from my experience Damerion has always been correct.

Then even if I looked past the above I read DF's filter and he was pushing similar things to myself. Mocsta, Damdred etc. Damdred's scum read of choice was df and he was essentially appealing to emotions instead of ever really pushing DF. I think he had just one sentence on DF the entire game.

I don't know why you'd expect me to trust rsoultin's read of damdred which was entirely tone that I didn't agree with over my own logic based one though.



2. That's not entirely true. I was uncooperative because she tried to paint me as mafia for things that just occurred during day to day life such as being at work and only speaking up when I got home. When we got past that and posted about Damerion we just had differing opinions. I explained my read and she explained hers. She posted a case on him and to be frank I didn't really read much of it. Time, effort etc. It was only when she actually explained away my point that he used the meta too early etc and the fact he never posted about anyone else since that I really just realised I shouldn't defend him.

3. Damerion's claim was an entirely ego based thing. I've spent the game being contradictory and when he finally returned and I see the claim I'm just happy I was "correct" on my read. No, I didn't really think about the whole calling it in the thread thing and nor did I really care if he died or was rbd. I also did not read the op at all and thought there could be a framer and rb to balance it (I talk through this). When btdt claimed being rbd I just thought he was a jk and at that point I knew jk/cop/vig isn't right and I thought that btdt didn't claim rb day 2 because he was blue and they weren't announced. Turns out they were notified, he wasn't blue etc etc. I kept my vote on Damerion after because I asked for his reads and he was unable to provide them. He also didn't play like he was afraid of a rb and I didn't think he'd check btdt either.

On January 28 2018 22:14 Holyflare wrote:
What do you think of Mocsta? He seems to always want to be on the right side of what's happening and have his own different opinion and it bugs me. It feels quite unnatural in a way imo.

On January 29 2018 04:21 Holyflare wrote:
Also, can I just say. If you make a game with base activity levels and join it knowing there are (REALLY MINIMAL) base activities I'd appreciate people sticking to that.



1 post in 48 hours is not really acceptable and it's basically been like that every cycle apart from the last

On January 29 2018 09:09 Mocsta wrote:
I hope everyone can move on now and see the light

Remember, HF posts were written rationally and mostly without emotion (bar Rels discussion).

Lots of information to glean over.

On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:
After re-reading the game:
I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town.

That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two.

I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out.
Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.

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The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT.

Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed.

Some food for thought if it gets there

• Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
• Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
• DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
• BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays

On January 29 2018 20:55 Mocsta wrote:
Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail.

TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day.
All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch.

Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.

mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie.

Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time.

One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game.

I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further.
I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far.

On January 30 2018 03:56 Koshi wrote:
Give me a list of the general consensus of who is mafia. I will read and vote.

On January 30 2018 03:59 Koshi wrote:
did btdt get notified of a rb?

On January 30 2018 04:02 justanothertownie wrote:
So btdt is town unless mafia forgot to rb or rsoultin was rbed n1 and did not claim.

On January 30 2018 04:01 Koshi wrote:

Good stuff.

##vote Mocsta

On January 30 2018 04:17 Koshi wrote:

ah. I have an entire day? Holy fuck.
I thought lynch was in like 3-4 hours.

On January 30 2018 04:24 Koshi wrote:
Yes. I am mafia and decided to for no fucking reason at all lie about what moment in the day it was.
Top level.

On January 30 2018 04:27 Koshi wrote:
Are those his reads? He thinks JAT or I am mafia?

On January 30 2018 04:34 Koshi wrote:

Yes I am either town or mafia.

On January 30 2018 04:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
KMatt was a scum slot. We did not have a kill because he was afk and did not submit one. The slot was replaced that late because the game would've ended if a modkill happened.

On January 30 2018 04:55 beentheredonethat wrote:

So it was randomized on someone who then got healed or is the vet?

On January 30 2018 04:59 beentheredonethat wrote:

The OP has it pretty clearly: mafia cannot hold their shot. So we got vet OR doc and I expect them to claim at like :59 so if they die, they confirm shit.

On January 30 2018 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
well, I call dedgaem. Gonna lynch into the Kmatt/Koshi slot and afk.

On January 30 2018 05:18 Koshi wrote:


omfg JAT made the mafia emoticon.

omfg it might be JAT.

On January 30 2018 05:20 Koshi wrote:

Xatalos did the exact same thing as mafia.

On January 30 2018 05:34 Koshi wrote:
would hf be so bad he completely missed scum JAT?

probably.

On January 30 2018 05:40 Koshi wrote:
I probably won even more but I don't want to brag.

On January 30 2018 06:14 mderg wrote:
Seems like things got a bit more interesting. Koshi with a pretty good first impression

On January 30 2018 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Pleading to town is also mafia.
Which he did.

Guess I'll do nothing for a while and see who is a baller.

On January 30 2018 19:20 Koshi wrote:
I'll read the french guy.

On January 30 2018 19:56 Koshi wrote:
And Rels his filter is really bleak. The HF stuff is all great fun but I did the same with Palmar last year.

The total picture is completely missing in Rels his filter. He isnt prodding enough people and he doesnt store and remember good posts in his head.

On January 30 2018 21:31 Mocsta wrote:
can someone please respond to my kmatt/koshi points

On January 30 2018 21:41 Mocsta wrote:
@Rels.. I dont understand where you are going with this.


Note:

On January 30 2018 21:56 Koshi wrote:
Rells calls me mafia. I call Rels mafia.

It's on you people to see if we are both wrong. If not. Lynch one of us. Ez. 2 lynches left.

On January 30 2018 22:46 Rels wrote:
That might be retarded. But I don't think kita accepts Kmatt being replaced if he was scum.

He didn't break activity or voting rules yesterday, so that means he asked to be replaced. And I don't see kita accepting it if Kmatt is scum, 'cause that would mean Kmatt would ask to replace only because the pressure of playing scum is too great. While I could see kita accepting the request if Kmatt is town.

On January 30 2018 22:58 Rels wrote:

well yeah, you will have nothing better until I'm home and I can check stuff. Right now I have lots of ideas going through my mind but I need to fact check them before posting.
For example, Mocsta didn't agree with the roleblock making BTDT town at some point. HF and JAT talked yesterday how that was scummy. But I don't think that's scummy, on the contrary: scum have roleblocked BTDT since the beginning of the game, and have killed them now. On the contrary, I would expect scum to show townreads towards BTDT. Maybe even TMI townreads, as they thought he was blue.

On January 30 2018 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Yup. No modkill no replace is the way to go.
Always said this. For years now.

On January 31 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi replaced in, what, a couple hours before deadline?
There is no way any replacement could meaningfully read the thread and draw conclusions.
The QT should be much more manageable.

So, when I woke up to see a replacement that is insta-calling me scum, and not in an OMGUS-way: My scum read on Kmatt/Koshi was amplified further.

In my mind I was testing whether Koshi was making kill selection on thread or QT strategy.
If BTDT was legitimately RB (which clearly now is the case) for being perceived as medic; I see him as a real threat to scum as another delay to LYLO should be default town win.

If BTDT was faking the RB, I would expect scum (inc. Koshi) to clasp onto the JAT notice and shoot him.
I mean, JAT being blue was so obvious from how he destroyed Damerion *AND* refused to discuss claims with BTDT.
I didnt see it as a risk to output this as a competent scum would be shooting him anyways.

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I have thought about it more and not sure its as telling as I had hoped.
BTDT could have been shot purely for being "confirmed town" and/or unpredictable.
BTDT could have been shot to focus on this type of discussion.

Right now, I need to evaluate what Koshi has contributed this cycle - vs. the kill selection.

On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.

Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.

Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.

Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.

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leading to eventually:

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On January 31 2018 17:35 Koshi wrote:
If I was mafia I would kill btdt because he wanted to kill me. The rb thing is a bonus.

On January 31 2018 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
heres a q:

why would scum!rels argue with HFrelentlessly?

I dont see the purpose? wasnt it enough that he had majority vote?

On January 31 2018 18:09 Rels wrote:

I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.

On January 31 2018 18:37 Koshi wrote:
Mderg has the "I dont know what to make of this game yet " attitude early. Which is a bit more mafia than town.

On January 31 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:

Maybe mderg is too right?

On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:

Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus.

Blahhhh


I cant lynch somebody like this.
Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me.

On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game.