Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 14

On January 19 2018 05:10 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta can still be scum though.

On January 19 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
I'll be back on later; I have to help out with bus duty

On January 20 2018 04:48 darthfoley wrote:


I tried reading through your pages long back and forth with Mocsta but it ended up becoming minute detail drivel that I couldn't follow. Everything he's said has seemingly been super nitpicky or in the weeds. I don't see him really interacting with anyone except to focus on very specific little moments that he then goes to great lengths to overanalyze. I call this the Shapelog syndrome. Basically looooots of words with very little content.

Like I still don't know where his head is besides the fact that he is obsessed with talking about someone else's conversation with you on Damdred. Wut.

So yea he's still on my scum list.

Also ##Vote: BTDT

On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,

I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.

But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.

He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.

And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.

Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.

I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.

##vote Damdred

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

On February 03 2018 20:21 Koshi wrote:
Townread him over Rels that is. Considered it more likely mpcsta was town and rels mafia.

Hmm. Rels filter just wasnt as good.

Must say that hf push was brutal. T on T

On February 03 2018 21:48 Mocsta wrote:
JAT,
Firstly, thank you for articulating why you voted me.
I do appreciate the time, effort and thought behind your reasoning.
I also happen to agree on much of the analysis – so much so, that I had to question my role PM!

Some of these points include:

• Soft bus potential
• Repeatedly pointing out “interesting interactions
• HF lynch behaviour

Unfortunately the conclusions drawn are false.

For example:

• Yes, you could argue there was potential for a soft bus – and we will never know as DF was night killed. I think its obvious to anyone that commented on my 4000-word DF case that he was my #1 target for Day2. I think its also clear that I followed my next lead – HF throughout this cycle. Yes, I voted Prplhz, but, with his direct avoidance of DF – no one can be critiqued for this, remember, all other voters on that wagon to date have been town.
  
  
• I noted your comment above on “interesting interactions” above for different reasons to yourself. It is perhaps scummy because I do not always draw a conclusion to the query raised. However, your assertion is that they were raised as a subtle means of drawing attention to the soft bus. Other than a response during this LYLO, I challenge you to find a passage of play where I do this. The fact is, that I don’t. The other fact is that, any player that has read my filter brings this up of their own accord.
  
  
• Further, your comments regarding lack of follow up with DarthFoley on Day1 is not appropriate. Perhaps my case on Damdred was more OMGUS than I realised at the time; however, to say that I should have diluted the validity of my case and vote by chasing multiple scumspects is ridiculous.
  
  • The rationale behind a picture case was that this best conveyed my gut feeling when reading his filter – something I struggled to articulate in words. As I intended, and in your own words a “brutal” case and unlikely to be mafia v mafia (where the truth leads to easy articulation).
  
  
• Lastly, I did challenge the validity of Damerion claim.
  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=42#833
  This is literally 2minutes before you destroyed the claim by alluding to being “potential X” – i.e. BLUE. This is something that Koshi also glosses over.
  
  
• I won’t comment further on the assertion that a final-3 mafia would rely on an AFK townie to win a game. That is frankly, a preposterous reason to declare someone scum and is in no way, shape or form congruent with how I have played this game over the past 2 weeks. To be honest, it is insulting to even be associated with that train of thought.

Hence, I am of the opinion that your analysis was predetermined to condition me as scum due to Process of Evaluation rather than discerning pure scum motive. This is made clear by how you town read Koshi/Kmatt prior to jumping to my filter.

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I have truly run out of time to continue this further; however, Kmatt/Koshi are scum as summarised by the following:
Case 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=77#1533
Case 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=84#1663

Koshi effort is purely superficial and hinges upon survival. Yes, a townie wants to survive as well; however, even in LYLO, Koshi is unable to speak of why I am scum.

Further, Koshi was completely aware that I would choose mderg over himself 99 times out of 100.
Shooting mderg was always the smart play. Especially after I had drawn needless attention to myself.

Solving this game really can be distilled down to this question.

Don’t ask yourself just about my actions as a mafia.
Ask yourself.
Would any mafia continue to draw attention on themselves in pivotal moments throughout this game: e.g the BTDT RB, the HF lynch, the Rels lynch.
What is there to gain?
If BTDT was that critical for mafia, the game wouldn’t be in the final 3.
Rels was obviously going to be hammered.

The only thing for mafia to gain by performing my actions is to lose the game.
If you agree, the only place a vote should be placed is Koshi.

##Vote: Koshi


+ Show Spoiler [FOR "KOSHI" EYES ONLY] +

On February 03 2018 23:31 Mocsta wrote:
Only thing i will comment further is that i never had intent to lynch mderg

It was a joke vote thing and totally stupid and that action has cost the game.

I was never leaving the vote on mderg but alas

See you in 10hrs i guess

On February 03 2018 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
P.s.
Koshi sole reason to state im mafia is holyflare who never voted me

Disappointing jat

On February 04 2018 08:42 Mocsta wrote:
Stop beibg try hard jat

I now think you are mafia vet

##vote:JAT

On February 04 2018 08:46 Koshi wrote:
I would be sad if that was true.

On February 04 2018 08:55 Koshi wrote:

wow pretending to be mafia in lylo. what a bastard you are.

On February 04 2018 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:




lol this one probably deserves a funniest moment nomination :D

On February 04 2018 09:17 Damdred wrote:
GG mocsta and gj jat at carrying koshi

On February 04 2018 09:45 rsoultin wrote:


-flicks- You were supposed to play with me, not after me :/

On February 04 2018 10:07 Mocsta wrote:
Also

Was there a way to convince JAT to vote koshi?
Was mderg a better choice... if so, why?

On February 04 2018 13:45 darthfoley wrote:


Convincing others of your reads when they're shit doesn't do anything but lose. Correct reads are always more important unless your primary goal is to just be an alpha.

Damdred called us out D1 and never really backed off of it, even in the obs QT iirc.

On February 04 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
No idea what it is. I havent played since end of 2013.

I would have been classed as paranoid and overly convoluted back then. I hope that has evolved somewhat now.

On February 04 2018 20:52 rsoultin wrote:


Maybe we'll get to see it in Globe 16 or whatever...

Also, thanks JAT! You broke my years' long mafia losing streak @.@

On February 05 2018 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jat is there a game where you have lynched an un-cc'd blue claim as vanilla town?

I still stand behind what i said in obs qt, i don't think not ccing was smart because while you gained a mislynch what ended up happening was this:


Also it was not that Mocsta's decisions for night kills were bad (aside from the obvious mistake of kiiling mderg over jat last night), it is more that noone else would never ever had killed btdt over jat in the first place (you could kill jat regardless of if jat was a veteran or btdt the doctor). Rels was never going to be mafia because Rels would never leave both Koshi and (confirmed town) jat run around in the thread for one more phase. mderg knew btdt had to be town for the roleblock so if he was mafia most likely Kelsier's shot would have never gone through. Same with Holyflare. Koshi technically could have been mafia but he looked very townie from the beginning (sadly this replacement particularly prolly cost mafia the game).

It is not that you made bad decisions, but the fact is noone else as mafia would have made those decisions and aside from all you wrote or did this should have been a reason to always lynch you. Game was basically done when Damerion got lynched and btdt claimed roleblocked. Noone else could anymore be mafia than you (or Kmatt).

On February 05 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i said in obs, noone would ever make the "vigi is an inv role so kita wouldnt put a cop and vigi in the game" argument had Kelsier shot a townie because you can probably see how stupid that sounds in that context.