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On January 19 2018 17:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
And just because I'm not posting much or am sitting along and antagonising doesn't make me mafia. It's disingenuous to say I'm one of the best players on the site (I'd argue I'm only good at playing mafia) so I'm mafia for being underwhelming and not responding. That's a bad read. Lol what? I expect you to want to figure out my alignment and work with me. I don't require you to be superman. Nor do I believe for an instant that you don't consider yourself a good town player. When did that happen?
I used to be very good sure.
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I don't care about figuring your alignment out. My new playstyle is find mafia read push and evaluate everyone based on flip. Don't have time nor care about anything else. Hence why I haven't made any comment on anyone other than my scum reads and about twat agreeing with my thoughts at the time.
A lot of people have an opposite opinion on damdred despite him still not providing anything useful or damdred-y. Every post he posts reminds me of Donald Trump speaking in that it's a lot of pomp and no substance.
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Enough about me. I'm pretty sure you had damdred at suspicious so quote exactly what has changed your mind?
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I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1.
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On January 19 2018 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1.
I just tunneled him before incorrectly and dont trust my eh feel about him.
-squints at- Maaaybe I could believe your gameplay has changed. It hadn't in my last scum game but that was awhile ago. I can kinda see your Damdred thing now...I just find it weird that Ian would even know he said like as town and not as scum.
Someone used smiley percentages to read me and I had no clue if that was right or not. Who counts how many times they say like? So I find it a weird thing for scum to panic about.
And if he didn't panic that response doesn't make sense.
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On January 19 2018 02:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 02:33 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 19 2018 02:22 Damdred wrote:
All of these votes makes me feel special.
Is interesting that Rs didn't even ask me anything just talking about me without a ton of solid conclusion, really intriguing. Exactly what I stated. So what are you going to do with this logic? You are currently being voted by four people. Throwing posts shading other players isn't help your case. Also your "baby" is gung-ho about voting you. I really do not care about "pressure" if the only reason you are voting me is to pressure me then it is futile. I work when I want to work and otherwise I roll around the thread until something interesting happens. And as for being lynched? Well I could probably care more but we will see what happens at eod. If I am lynched the people who refuse to really take a stand or characterize others for being scummy for doing so (mderg for instance) should be looked at pretty closely, I do not like his postings at this point even if he is defending me. In any case i'll have some form of team for post game cred before long anyway, you children and my babies just have fun rolling around until I do.
-shrugs- tonally it reads Damdred to me. And the rest of his play is fine. I found the bouncy response weird but this fits better. No, I don't and never have a better read and I don't make up reasons. Fully aware that makes me less persuasive.
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On January 18 2018 22:33 Damdred wrote:
Thats an interesting meta read on me I guess? And the praise given I enjoy bathing in it.
But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol.
As for the rest well there just isn't much to go on at this point no? so whats wrong with building a town circle built on what I have seen, people who agree with my view of the game is a good place to start with. Or at least people I do not want to fight with (HF baby don't leave me).
really interesting you came out against me though, not sure what it makes you. I am a hard target so I give you credit damer for coming at me, but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?
So hm I guess i'm leaning town on damer seems a bit suicidal way to bring attention to himself in that way especially with the game kinda stale?
Also tonally this feels calm, even bemused, not panicked.
I could sum it up as lol, kay? i guess I could see you believing that as town.
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On January 19 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1. I just tunneled him before incorrectly and dont trust my eh feel about him. -squints at- Maaaybe I could believe your gameplay has changed. It hadn't in my last scum game but that was awhile ago. I can kinda see your Damdred thing now...I just find it weird that Ian would even know he said like as town and not as scum. Someone used smiley percentages to read me and I had no clue if that was right or not. Who counts how many times they say like? So I find it a weird thing for scum to panic about. And if he didn't panic that response doesn't make sense.
I don't believe he knows that as EITHER alignment. If Damerion is town and Damdred is mafia then Damdred knows categorically that Damerion isn't lying and so it must be true. Or at least he thinks it to be true. This is why the only correct response as town is to say "well your meta is wrong then" whereas his response is to acknowledge it's true and that he's changing it conveniently. It's sheer mafia survival and panic.
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On January 19 2018 18:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1. I just tunneled him before incorrectly and dont trust my eh feel about him. -squints at- Maaaybe I could believe your gameplay has changed. It hadn't in my last scum game but that was awhile ago. I can kinda see your Damdred thing now...I just find it weird that Ian would even know he said like as town and not as scum. Someone used smiley percentages to read me and I had no clue if that was right or not. Who counts how many times they say like? So I find it a weird thing for scum to panic about. And if he didn't panic that response doesn't make sense. I don't believe he knows that as EITHER alignment. If Damerion is town and Damdred is mafia then Damdred knows categorically that Damerion isn't lying and so it must be true. Or at least he thinks it to be true. This is why the only correct response as town is to say "well your meta is wrong then" whereas his response is to acknowledge it's true and that he's changing it conveniently. It's sheer mafia survival and panic.
Also to further add to that if Damdred did do that and realised as town I don't think he makes his town game more unnatural and removes it. He should add it to his mafia play.
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On January 19 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:
Tell me, does this fit within your knowledge of how damdred plays?
Everything about him to me reads as measured and carefully considered.. proofing before posting possibly more than twice. Everything is INTENTIONAL...
That's really not the impression I've got from his play
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On January 19 2018 18:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 18:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 17:39 Holyflare wrote:
I also absolutely do not share the opinion that df has done enough either. This guy gets regularly shot n1. I just tunneled him before incorrectly and dont trust my eh feel about him. -squints at- Maaaybe I could believe your gameplay has changed. It hadn't in my last scum game but that was awhile ago. I can kinda see your Damdred thing now...I just find it weird that Ian would even know he said like as town and not as scum. Someone used smiley percentages to read me and I had no clue if that was right or not. Who counts how many times they say like? So I find it a weird thing for scum to panic about. And if he didn't panic that response doesn't make sense. I don't believe he knows that as EITHER alignment. If Damerion is town and Damdred is mafia then Damdred knows categorically that Damerion isn't lying and so it must be true. Or at least he thinks it to be true. This is why the only correct response as town is to say "well your meta is wrong then" whereas his response is to acknowledge it's true and that he's changing it conveniently. It's sheer mafia survival and panic. Also to further add to that if Damdred did do that and realised as town I don't think he makes his town game more unnatural and removes it. He should add it to his mafia play.
My point is that I find it believable he realized it outside of alignment. Personally, I am trying to be more comprehensive this game and to stop playing the court jester. (Of course I also intended to post less, but...yeah...like asking a fish to walk on land.)
Nor would you even be right. He knows that he's more emotional as town and has actively tried to decrease his emotional outbursts (failed, but that's like with me and posting less), so there is no evidence whatsoever that he would try to change his scum game rather than his town game. Quite the opposite. Also entirely moot, in my opinion.
I really just don't see the panic that you do, and without panic the most logical explanation is that it's just true. Since I have no other reason to think he's scum this game, I don't want to lynch him. Simple as that.
Could I be wrong? Sure. I just don't think so.
Though this at least, assuming your town, gives me reason to think you believe what you're pushing, so it serves a purpose in that sense.
I'm still sulking about you being a dismissive ass at the beginning of the game then :/ I miss the good old days when rolling town with a holyflare was actually fun and we could work together, you know, before we started always rolling opposite alignments. (And I know this is retarded superstition but I'd be lying if I didn't admit part of me doesn't trust you on principle. Especially after making me speak Russian and playing on my isolation, you bastard.)
@mderg
I don't really protest beyond thinking that Rels would be easier to read Day 2 anyway and he's a strong town asset. If it's between Damdred and Rels, not really a contest.
Where are you at anyway?
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I see your point on darth foley, hf. Not that he was ever not on my could lynch list, anyway.
BTDT though...I think you hit scum there. That's some weak-ass shit. I vaguely remember BTDT making a much larger impression for me in the past.
And part of me wants to leave df be for the moment just for bringing that up. Then the devil's advocate whispers in my ear, "But, Tina, if BTDT is town, that's probably one of the easiest things for a scum darth foley to do. Also easy for him to do if they're both scum, you know." And I :/ at my devil's advocate. But seeing as we can only lynch one, my preference would be BTDT for that blah.
Pfft, I guess I'll stop pushing for a holyflare lynch. I'm not wholly (haha) convinced, but I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt at present. Mostly because I can see him believing his push pffffft. I'm gonna kick myself if he's scum though for letting that pass. Almost makes me want to dig my heels in and be stubborn for the sake of being stubborn lol ><
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Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum
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on review even before getting to mderg's last post I don't want to lynch him today either
my current scum is somewhere in
scummy
btdt
df
rels
null
prp
kmatt
???
holyflare - pending
damerion - pending...i do need to talk to him and damdred...or spend an inordinate amount of hours going through games which i may do but bleh...it's weird to have a strong meta case without evidence of parts of that read before
hrum
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if i haven't fucked up a townread, narrowing down to seven isn't half bad
i think i'd rather lynch into btdt or df...rels is scummier than prp and kmatt, and normally i'd say lynch him over them, but i think he posts d2 (or we definitely lynch him anyway) and i'm not sure about the other two
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The posts you link to damdred being calm and town he's absolutely capable (and has) as mafia. I agree his posts are calm and collected, and like I said, don't really do anything other than try and manipulate people's impression of his standing. It's just that one specific post in response to Damerion that is the panicked one and makes him mafia.
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Does mafia actually panic that easily?
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On January 19 2018 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
The posts you link to damdred being calm and town he's absolutely capable (and has) as mafia. I agree his posts are calm and collected, and like I said, don't really do anything other than try and manipulate people's impression of his standing. It's just that one specific post in response to Damerion that is the panicked one and makes him mafia.
Are we talking about a different post than the one I already quoted which is literally his response to Damerion's meta case? Because that's the one that I don't see panic in.
And I'm sorry but, having been scum, and having been in the self-same position you're narrating, my response was not panic. It was genuine derision. I still don't know if he was right (random player who I've forgotten I'm sorry it was years ago ;o;), though certainly he thought he was...but struggle seeing why it would make anyone panic.
Your narrative as I understand it depends upon Damdred panicking and being calm in the same post...which while not impossible is not very probable at all.
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On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum
I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new.
Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.
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