EPTrux what you think of zens big post?
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Damdred
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rux what you think of zens big post? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 08 2017 16:32 ruXxar wrote: So... Here’s the short of it: Damerion wants to lynch Shockey + Zen. Shockey wants to lynch Damerion. Krogan wants to lynch Ruxx. Zen wants to lynch Damerion + Ruxx. From this matrix we can put together these teams: Zen+Krogan. Zen+Shockey. Krogan+Damerion. I want to lynch either Zen or Krogan today. I can make this even simpler. I’m going to assume that shockey is town. This leaves damerion, Zen, krogan. The only teams you can make here are: Krogan + Damerion. Krogan + Zen. Every possible team of those three has krogan in it. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 09 2017 01:29 Damdred wrote: I dont think I want to vote damer here though. Idk want to see him post more though eh. rux what you think of zens big post? I’ll write you a proper answer when I get home damdy. In the mean time I’m studying tick tocks day 1 and the vote patterns. I feel like the clues should be there if I look. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 03 2017 06:55 Rels wrote: Day 1 vote count ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/S6r16kP.jpg) ruxXar (3): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan Tictock (3): Damdred, ShoCkeyy (2): Darthfoley (1): Vivax (1): Holyflare , Damerion (1): Conversion (0): Oatsmaster (0): Not voted (1): Breshke At the current vote count, ruxXar will be eliminated from the game. Deadline in | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Don't know if anybody saw it: On November 04 2017 08:42 Oatsmaster wrote: ok so off wagon alive people are Shockey HF On rux is Me/HappyKrogan/(Conversion) assuming he didnt switch to rux on purpose late. Assuming no bus, HappyKrogan is the obvious mafia here. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
I go and I look at the DF kill, and I ask myself who benefits from this? I have read DF's filter 2 times now, and the only person I see benefit ting is ruxx. Now you can say to me "hey ritoky you ever consider they were setting ruxx up?". But who? And why did no one try and convert on that set-up, there was no big ruxx is mafia push the subsequent day with NK justification as a framing for why he is mafia. From what I recall (and I may recall a bit wrong) Zen's beef was regarding ruxx twisting his words, oats was in the tunnel, and krogan's was that ruxx just copies other people's reads and pawns them off as his own. So if it wasn't a set-up, then why else would DF be killed there? Blue read? For the life of me I have gone through DFs filter and I have found 0 reason to ever blue read him in there. Perhaps that is contaminated by hindsight, but with HF spewing blue everywhere you're looking for 1 blue as mafia and the aggro/abrasive manner in which DF was playing was not reading blue at all. Activity? DF wasn't particularly active, maybe slightly above the low bar of this game, but he wasn't in a place to run the game as town leader with 10 pages a day. Clout? DF had very minimal influence in the town structure so it wasn't like he had people sheeping him like an alternative kill did in Damdred. So if he wasn't killed for activity, being a town leader, voting to lynch mafia, a blue read, or as a setup on ruxx....then why the fuck was this guy killed? So I dig deeper, is it a fear lynch for DFs carry potential....well no offense to the guy, but I don't think so when compared to the alternatives of shooting a damdred who just lynched mafia d1 and is universally TR or shooting a HF who is spewing blue or (if he isn't mafia) shooting a ruxxar who is dwarfing people in pure page count. Also as far as I know Damerion, Zen, and Krogan have basically never played with DF so they don't have tons of reason to fear the guy for reputation or past play; so they aren't making that shot for that reason. So the only place I keep ending up at is that the guy was shot for good reads. Go to his filter and look at his reads, he is on ruxx and tt like white on rice. To me it reads like what happens often in mafia QTs where 1 rando dude has god reads on D1 and the people he has dead to rights go "he has to die". My gut tells me ruxx called for a shot on DF cuz DF had him dead to rights. Now if that is all just a giant pile of wifom to you, which could be understandable; I have other reasons. 1) I don't feel like ruxx believes much of what he types. I don't feel any emotional charge behind anything when he writes it, I don't feel passion, it feels empty. That and he moves on from shit too quickly. Townies tend to hold onto things beyond the point that it is healthy. 2) He spins like a top. I honestly couldn't tell you who he wants to lynch today because I think he has tried to test the waters on most every1 to the point where I don't think he feels very strongly about pushing a singular lynch and is instead looking for the one with the most traction before putting his chips down. 3) He has too much to say about too little. He writes paragraphs in response to sentences that I, as town, read and my response is "yep" or "meh". Almost like he has to produce compelling thoughts or a complete response to every tiny thing. Town are so much more apt to brush things off or ignore them or dismiss them, whereas he seems very keen on having his fingerprints all over everything. 4) He has a lot of empty posts where he talks in a circle or weighs out options, but more often than not all of them ruminating never converts into a conclusion that leads to action; it is pages upon pages of considering while he sits on his hands. Now I am aware that there are points to be made against this such as 1) lynched mafia (yeah but the alternative was he died) and 2) activity (yeah but if you go look at his past games alignment is irrelevant in regards to his activity level). But it currently is a gut feeling I am having a hard time shaking because the game doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I think Krogan is town. This means that the first wagon cannot be pure. Which means it is shockey + zen exactly, Damerion is going deep into the Damdred pocket for the long con (which is tough for me to wrap my head around), or it was MvM which makes the game significantly more sensible. That said I have 0 idea who I would peg as ruxxar's potential partner right now, I haven't gotten that far. So if there's people out there who disagree, then please assuage my gut feelings. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
But even I think that 1 is kinda stupid. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Conclusion #1 is that I am confident that shockey is town. Tick tock was pushing Shockey really hard most of the day, and cross at points in how they interacted. Conclusion #2 is that I feel like damerion is likely town. TT had a couple posts at EOD when we were without a votecount and he was struggling to get shenanigans going. It felt like he was genuinly trying to find a target to latch onto or disperse votes from himself. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2017 05:58 Tictock wrote: Ugh besides mentioning Zen this is literally just Thread sentiment ATM minus DF. Pretty unimpressed. I gotta eat and get moving, I'll try and fishing reading on the way, but I'm ok with my vote on DF. On November 03 2017 06:34 Tictock wrote: Am I totally OMGUS for wanting to lynch Damer now? He literally shows up right at EoD with nothing really new to add. Suggests a Me + Zen team with Zen his more likely scum. Then wants to sheep Damdreds read on me?!? I get that he is buddies with Damdre but Damdred has been so unimpressive this game. Also can we get a vote count? Conclusion #3 is that krogan is likely town. There were a couple posts where TT was quite harsh on krogan. It does not seem fake to me. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2017 10:35 Tictock wrote: Actually DF I feel like Ruxx had just called out the worst post in this game. Last game I played with you DF I felt like we were so in tune, this game you are off in left field to me. Well I do kinda agree with your Krogan read, that dude feels off to me. I don't get why Damdred seems to have a TR on him based off a weak open. All his posts feel super throwaway to me so far. On November 01 2017 11:30 Tictock wrote: The problem with this is that it feels like you are hanging off of HF's coattails since he was the one pushing the point you are making about Conv. Holding back your thoughts is pretty much universally scummy. It leaves us less to read you off of and means you can tailor your reads easier later on to fit scum agenda. More thoughts to come. | ||
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ritoky
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ritoky
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
all because i called you mafia. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 09 2017 01:29 Damdred wrote: I dont think I want to vote damer here though. Idk want to see him post more though eh. rux what you think of zens big post? Zen only writes big posts, but if you refer to his last post then I don't like it. Quite frankly I don't like his tone at all. 1) At points he doesn't appear to have read the game. 2) His tone is very robotic. There's no fire behind anything. I feel like he's trying to fake emotion but failing at it. The tone of his responses when getting attacked are so unnatural. To me, the only sensible lynch today is zen and that is my final answer. Regarding his last post: On November 08 2017 07:34 The_Zen_Man wrote: Hi, so I've been going through Shock with regards to last night kill and I'm pretty sure he is town. I just looked through that whole "blue" claim shock made and it was in fact hf that pushed that "claim" onto him. Now, at this point I think what Shock was trying to do was save the vig from NK. So he let people think he was vig. Hf had already used his shot but was still confirmed town which could be very useful for town. At the very least he wouldn't claim vig as mafia when he both knows hf is the real vig and then also shoot him. Just can't think that mafia would do this at all. This explanation for shockey being town is overly elaborate for something that so many people have reiterated already. Basically it seems like he already knows, now he just needs to pile on a lot of nonsense to make it seem real. The line in bold just seems so unnatural to me. On November 08 2017 07:34 The_Zen_Man wrote: That being said I still have Ruxx as scum-read. He was flailing around on his view on me and seemed to basically follow whatever conversion view on me was. When Conversion unvoted he unvoted, and when Conversion went after me again so did he. He also used some pretty weird arguments, at times even ignoring or misreprisenting posts entirely. Let's get something clear: I've had zen as potential scum for a long time. The one time I switched off was due to his explanation seeming honest. And you know what, it probably was an honest mistake, which is why it seemed so genuine. Fact is, when taken into account and upon re-evaluating, it doesn't weigh up for everything else he has going against him. On November 08 2017 07:34 The_Zen_Man wrote: I also find Damerion very scummy. He has called me mafia from the start of the game and I haven't really responded to him because his best argument was that I made a big post D1. He seems to basically want people to blind follow him and finds it suspicious when they don't. From how Damerion speaks about himself he's supposed to me some kind of Mafia god but has one of the smallest filter and has no good arguments for his reads. It seems he is using tunneling on me as a front for actually contributing to the scum-hunt. Almost all of his posts have simply been "Zen is scum, lynch him". So basically wanting to seem like he does something while in reality he is saying the same thing he just said in the post before. If he actually wrote his arguments for it and said why he thought I was scum then that would be fine, would lead to discussion and help with finding who is town and who is scum. But he simply writes "Zen+X is scum, lynch them". Damerion is now going after shock for reasons that he himself admits are hypocritical. But admitting it dosen't make it any less hypocritical. And he reads the "claim" for vig all wrong. I would think a mafia "god" like himself would figure out that Shock is most likely town with respect to the NK. This is warranted criticism, which is why I've wanted damerion to step up for a while. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
On November 09 2017 05:05 ritoky wrote: cool chat every1. I agree with a lot you wrote on your big post. You're right about N1 kill, DF had very little activity and clout in the game. I think when mafia killed him they were hoping that people wouldn't look to deep into who DF thought was scum. Another thing about Ruxx. What do you make of his flipping around on me? He seemed to almost follow Conversion in this. When Conversion unvoted he did too not long after. When Conversion went back on me so did he. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 09 2017 05:09 ritoky wrote: i mean your only conclusion from that is that the mafia team is exactly zen + ritoky so i don't really know what more thoughts you can have and which i can tell you is wrong. and which i don't even think you believe, you know damn well i am town regardless of your alignment. The only thing I know about you is that you are smart and dangerous. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 09 2017 05:11 ritoky wrote: your thoughts will be a case on zen for accidentallying his teammate and how his stance makes no sense, and your case on me will be what hf said about me being a robot followed by how i was deflecting off zen when i entered the thread because the guy reads like he made an honest mistake. all because i called you mafia. I'm not arguing against zen acidentally voting his team mate. I'm pretty sure that was a mistake, and that his explanation was honest too. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On November 09 2017 05:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: I agree with a lot you wrote on your big post. You're right about N1 kill, DF had very little activity and clout in the game. I think when mafia killed him they were hoping that people wouldn't look to deep into who DF thought was scum. Another thing about Ruxx. What do you make of his flipping around on me? He seemed to almost follow Conversion in this. When Conversion unvoted he did too not long after. When Conversion went back on me so did he. i mean i posted all my thoughts on the matter, i have no real opinion on that stuff, mostly cuz my context is fucked being from not actually being in the game at that time i think? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On November 09 2017 04:21 ritoky wrote: Also an even more stupidly wifom reason was that ruxxar knew about the mod error immediately in regards to the role name being misused, whereas I had no idea initially. Usually the people who are hyper aware of role names in themed games are blue and red, and ruxx can't be blue. But even I think that 1 is kinda stupid. So you were not even curious to know if holy flare was the vig, when there had been two claims for vig? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On November 09 2017 05:23 ruXxar wrote: So you were not even curious to know if holy flare was the vig, when there had been two claims for vig? ? maybe i it is an experience thing, but hf was the vig the entire time in my mind. and no i didn't read role names, i just assumed when he flipped blue he was the vig he said he was. hence my surprise i kinda thought shockeyy was a bit more town playing hot potato with hf too cuz idk if he has the swag level to do that shit with the dude he knows he is about to merc....another reason why the shockeyy + zen conclusion is bad | ||
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ritoky
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