[M][N] Names Are Hard 2

On August 25 2017 04:38 Vivax wrote:


Sup.

Got a VPN yet or still can't access the scum qts ?

On August 25 2017 04:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you just claimed to be scum with Vivax?

On August 25 2017 04:43 LightningStrike wrote:

Ofc you must be scum with him because of your response about needing him to accept your skype invitation :o

On July 13 2017 06:34 Koshi wrote:
Hello my Minions. Your master will be doing a 1 page filter D1. He is planning on making 3 big quality posts and around 15 "fluff" posts but only when he politely is asked a question or feels like barking a question. Good Minions know that the great leader should be followed, and even naughty Minions know to at least sheep the master his list. Evil Minions will be dealt with. Swiftly and without mercy.

Your leader has spoken. Hail to the great leader.

On August 25 2017 04:54 Vivax wrote:


Did you check if he posted gameplans in town games?

On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
I will be playing superslow. Still banking all that mad respect from last game.

On October 04 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if I have a plan this game. Not hard townreading mafia somehow maybe.

On August 16 2016 08:32 Koshi wrote:
Second. Confirmed town.

Wanted to play this game really really slow. But I got a pretty cool role so maybe not.

On December 27 2016 10:32 Koshi wrote:
I am town but don't expect much. I am going to play super low post style.
I won't be pushing the game forward at all. Just going to do some analysis from time to time.

We will see how it goes. I will post enough so that you should be able to correctly deduct my alignment. But meta activity wise I am always be scum.

On August 25 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:





72 hours mafia. Town.

I don't think that's how you should hunt scum.

And I'm not sure I've ever seen you hunt scum like this.

What do you make of the whole LS read thingy for example?

On August 25 2017 05:23 Koshi wrote:

Is this true? Can you recheck and promise me this is true?

On August 25 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
Did you even look at koshi's town games?

On August 25 2017 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Elaborate on this conclusion please.

On August 25 2017 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If the first person coming to the conclusion is not mafia, why can the other two not be?

On August 25 2017 05:37 Koshi wrote:

You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia. And I don't understand why they won't do it when they are mafia with me, it relieves pressure off me and puts it on you.

On August 25 2017 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It doesn't matter, could you please answer me who came to the conclusion first?

On August 25 2017 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am unsure what you think, what i think doesn't matter if i am trying to get a read on you.

On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

On August 25 2017 05:46 Koshi wrote:

Nha they left earlier. Meh.
It's good that you stayed.

Didn't like that Vivax/TW/LS aren't mafia with Koshi line tbh. But I like that you are posting and trying to solve the game. You are fine for now.

Got anything you want to discuss?

On August 25 2017 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay so, let's say Vivax is town. Why can't LS and TW (or one of them) be mafia?

On August 25 2017 05:39 Skynx wrote:

That's what im trying to say, TW is not necessarily a +1 imo

On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say

whaaaaat?

On August 25 2017 06:03 Vivax wrote:
This tough guy attitude from Skynx could also make him mafia.

Skynx if you feel that rayn was ganging up on you along with others, why don't you suspect him or others to be mafia?=

On August 25 2017 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would a mafia dude EVER ignore defending their scumbuddy with ACTUAL reasons (your meta is 100% wrong), Skynx? Tell me that? Tell me why you think mafia would not do that, defend their scumbuddy with 100% accurate reasnoing?

On August 25 2017 06:06 Skynx wrote:

They don't know if it was wrong yet.

On August 25 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote:


ahhh that's my point exactly though!

it's a weird train of thought to go through koshi's scum games and then get met with three people saying "But what about his town games?" and then decide that if koshi is mafia then they're all town

did you conclude that koshi does this opening as town too? <-------- super important question plz answer

On August 25 2017 06:05 Skynx wrote:

Cuz it looks like he's trying to get reads? Why is that mafia indicative?

Why is tough guy attitude mafia indicative?

On August 25 2017 23:10 Damdred wrote:


Ls
Rayn
Vivax
Koshi
HF ( haven't talked much about him. But he's being smart and pushing things I think town hf would)

Then we have a lower tier

Art
Sky
Tw
Geript

An afk tier
Ruxx
Oats

Right now I do not know who scum is, I have a reason to tr geript (meta reason), art had some reasonable and logical posts but not enough do me to put into no lynch town today, skynx had a bad push on koshi but looked at other games and backed odd (Which I thought was towny), and generally I can't read tw worth a shit so I keep him floating and try to ignore him.

A random thought about tw though, Igeript is scum his read on tw might confirm him as town.

On August 25 2017 23:18 Koshi wrote:

Maybe true. Still. Did he need to townread you?

On August 25 2017 23:19 Koshi wrote:
I don't want to prevent you from doing anything Skynx. But looking at Vivax seems like a waste and it is the only thing you are doing. Pretty boring tbh.

On August 25 2017 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
I hard claim blue so you now know my reads are legitimate.

Join me please.

On August 25 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote:


When have I ever done this as mafia day 1???

On July 16 2017 06:10 Skynx wrote:
HF you do that fakeclaiming town copcheck sometimes when you're bored is this one of them? XD

On August 25 2017 23:51 Koshi wrote:

I don't follow it too closely but it's good you are not pro barca :D

On August 26 2017 00:02 ruXxar wrote:


I didn't miss it.

The fact that you made the read in the first place is enough for me to call you town.

On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.

Rescinding rayn townread.

On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.

1/20

On August 26 2017 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually i kinda like geript for townreading TW now.

Its not really worth it as mafia to defend his partner who has a decent chance of getting lynched today.

On August 26 2017 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Ok so if geript is mafia and TW is town, its an easy push for geript to not lock himself out from.

If geript is mafia and TW is mafia, geript just posted a totally unconvincing townread just so he, one vote, doesnt have to vote TW at the end of the day. There are many better things that he can do to end up with his vote on someone thats town. So this doesnt make sense to me.


If geript is town then hes just playing the game as he sees it.

From my perspective, the most likely situation is that geript is town.

Why is the bolded section scummy Skynx? how does that advance mafia objectives?

On August 26 2017 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What is this bs "rayn doesnt even scumread me" when i have literally said you have the highest chance of being mafia in the game? Can you even read what i write?

On August 26 2017 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
...
I believe there is a high chance Skynx is trying to imitate this as mafia here. The reasoning is the following:

...

I mean like, i am not saying this is something that makes Artanis mafia. I am just saying it is entirely possible for him to be mafia with Skynx.

On August 26 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Incorrect, this is what i said to be exact:

After this you tell the thread that:

Apparently here you still thought i think you're mafia so now you're again saying 2 completely different things based on how it suits your agenda.

On August 26 2017 18:50 Holyflare wrote:


Even though tw said geript always does it?

On August 26 2017 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx let's just clear something up. Did you still scum read koshi after you found out he did his opener as town?

On August 26 2017 19:01 Vivax wrote:
I'm still waffly on skynx. I don't think that his koshi meta dive makes him mafia as much as I thought back then (cause it was mostly just a very secluded way of doing things), but if he doesn't get his hands dirty on something soon I'm not going to change my vote.

He thinks Koshi is town and sheeps him on stuff but it doesn't bother him that there's HF and other dudes trying to wagon him? It sure bothered me.

And HF, filter size isn't a slam dunk argument for the entire game, but for me it is for D1 at the very least. D1 most of the time town has the head up the butt and mafia doesn't have to do that much, so I'm not lynching big filter guys no matter what.

On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process.

It is very simple.
Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y.

No way.

On August 26 2017 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why did you suddenly start scumreading TW when you called him townie earlier for focussing on your Koshi read? You hadn't mentioned him at all yet as a scummy person until this post.

On August 26 2017 02:20 Skynx wrote:

There is 0 reason to tr TW in this game.

On August 26 2017 20:05 Holyflare wrote:


Quote a post that makes tw not just a +1. Then respond to vivax why you ignored your own statement and scum read tw.

On August 25 2017 04:54 Tumblewood wrote:

lmao

On August 25 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:

have you looked at a single town game

On August 26 2017 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

When did you start townreading me?

On August 26 2017 20:10 Holyflare wrote:
Do you town read koshi skynx?

On August 26 2017 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I probably want to lynch Koshi or Geript instead.

On August 26 2017 20:22 Vivax wrote:


Wtf does any of this have to do with rayns cop claim?

On August 26 2017 20:36 Vivax wrote:


I'll just repeat the issue from my point of view and see what explanation you can come up with.

This is what you told me




To keep it simple. The first quote doesn't lead anywhere.
You don't know Koshi's alignment, so you can't conclude anything about us that way. That already looks bad and like you felt forced to give a read and had the heebie jeebies.

Then when Koshi (or HF according to hf) points out that it's wrong cause we could still be mafia, you can't think of an answer that would make sense and just reply that TW shouldn't be included, which completely dodges the issue and just looks like you're dodging.

I think this is more or less what rayn was after.

I don't see you not getting lynched after this cause it just looks like you were flat out lying. You have a higher chance to not get lynched if you actually admit to have lied for whatever reason was floating your mind at the time.

On August 26 2017 14:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm feeling like TRing skynx on a whim tbh.

I've been thinking a bit about his whole Koshi approach at the start of the game. am not so sure any more that it is a scummy way of starting the game. Sloppy, yes. But maybe also a genuine way of trying to apply meta.

So yea, I'm unscumreading him cause he did that instead of just being an opinion leech.

##Unvote

Now an alternative is needed, hrm.

On August 26 2017 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i stil lwant to lynch Skynx. i kind of agree on what you say Artanis, but meh.. If we do not lynch Skynx i think regardless of his affiliation we will lose the game because if the dude is not mafia he lacks every single bit of any reading comprehension. It's like complete opposite from last game for example where he was actually able to provide coherent thoughts that were in line with each other. It's like someone took half of his brain out this game.

On August 26 2017 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The last game i was town in Skynx started the game in a "similar" manner (you remember his "rayn is scum but i didnt read the thread" case). That case was based on his understanding of my meta from the previous game where i was mafia. I think it's quite safe to say Skynx' early game (at least as town) and opener is heavily based on meta (and feels for it). I believe there is a high chance Skynx is trying to imitate this as mafia here.

On August 25 2017 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Then stop making stupid cases.

On August 26 2017 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Vivax just asked him to explain a simple thing. He quotes a post that has nothing to do what Vivax asks.
What gives?

On August 26 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I like the Koshi's Calix banana case so here is what Skynx does:

Vivax: Skynx can you tell me why did you put a banana into your bag? I saw you doing it.
Skynx: Here is a picture of me eating an apple. What do you say now, Vivax, huh?

Every single time he defends himself he does this.

On August 26 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Skynx is somehow town then geript will always be mafia. Also Koshi will always be town then. I heavily disagree with people who say geript and Koshi can be mafia together.

On August 26 2017 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See here is another thing. At the time i intentionally asked Skynx who HE THINKS was the first one (and who is +1'ing).

You're lying again. At the time Skynx thought Vivax was the one first to point out this. Then TW and LS.

Now he is saying he didn't actually think so after all. If he thought TW and LS were +1'ing Vivax, then the Koshi quote and his 180 after that makes no sense at all. And he DID think so at the time. Now he is saying something else, again...

Classic mafia play, change your story as you see it bet fit.

On August 26 2017 21:01 Vivax wrote:
I'd settle for killing Ruxxar who sits in the sidelines occasionally sniping vulnerable posts as well and other reasons mentioned earlier. I think he's also mafia cause he doesn't sound as pants on head while being spammy as fuck like the last game I was in with him.

Also Oats, but his bad tunnel on me might have clouded my judgement.
Then Artanis for pretending to agree with the whole skynx issue then immediately starting to post a case on Koshi and laughing at skynx while doing it.
Then HF for a bit of paranoia and cause he's also after Koshi.

That should also be enough reads for skynx. The rest of the game is pretty much in at the very least a weak town pile. I still don't see how anything makes Koshi mafia besides for wanting to kill afkers at some point, and jokish posts where he claims scum.

On August 26 2017 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1:

2:

Like i cannot see how anyone can actually think (1) and (2) are true at the same time.

On August 26 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:


Koshi didn't ask whether TW +1d, he asked why ppl asking you to check his town games can't be mafia.

This isn't about TW +1ing.

You said that it's what you mean (that they can be mafia) after saying that they are town if Koshi is mafia.

This really isn't about TW +1ing or not.

On August 27 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
did you even read koshi scum a few games ago? he literally does the exact same thing here when I pushed him:

1. post afk excuse
2. return to insult holyflare
3. afk

it's like reading a carbon copy of the same game ffs

On August 27 2017 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote:

Yeah you arent voting with them but you are perfectly ok with their target dying?

On August 27 2017 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

You arent doing anything to convince me that geript is scummier than Koshi. Which implies that you are ok with Koshi dying.

On August 27 2017 03:18 Holyflare wrote:


Unknown???

I think you said you were gonna read koshi with my points in mind. Now it's unknown?

On August 27 2017 03:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

But you are ok with koshi dying. Clearly.

On August 27 2017 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:

I havent done the math but generally no-lynch is bad because we lose a mislynch.

On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.

On August 26 2017 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Nah cause I never said Skynx was town. I just waffled
Heroes gogo?

On August 26 2017 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yeah this is pretty bad.
##Vote Skynx

On August 26 2017 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I probably want to lynch Koshi or Geript instead.

On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.

TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.

Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar

Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF

Null:
TW
Oats

Null-scummish
Geript

Scum
Damdred
Koshi

On August 27 2017 04:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Well lex is pretty much town with that last post it kinda shitty though.

Says the person who hammered town!Koshi......

On August 27 2017 04:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I find it really suspect that you kept such close track to the votes yet barely contributed towards the thread.

On August 27 2017 04:41 Tumblewood wrote:

this is actually a good point

On August 27 2017 04:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You'd have to keep good track of which votes came from where. I was actually thinking switching to geript might save me. That would've ended up poorly.

On August 27 2017 04:46 Holyflare wrote:


I read your points. I made the same exact points. I weighed them up and came to the conclusion I didn't care because he was lynching koshi.

Who is now confirmed extremely rude by the way. Fuck you koshi.

On August 27 2017 04:48 Holyflare wrote:


No it's not obvious because he did the exact same thing when he was mafia that got caught out. He couldn't be bothered.

On August 27 2017 04:49 Holyflare wrote:


Why did your vote stay on artanis after this?

On August 27 2017 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
And like I said before, him not defending did not make him town.

On August 27 2017 04:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Just a quick question to everyone else: Did you know who was going to get lynched?

On August 27 2017 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:


Input on this pls guys?

On August 28 2017 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Rayn HF why both lied about being the parity cop????

On August 28 2017 04:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax wasn't getting jailed regardless of whether rayn claimed or not.

Yeah I've changed my mind about TW, let's kill artanis today.

On August 28 2017 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I needed a medic dodge on me because i cant jail myself.

On August 28 2017 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What pressure was on him to claim as scum?

On August 29 2017 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
????????

On August 29 2017 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

Hf cause he's not dead
Tw cause he's done nothing and is totally uninterested in who is mafia
Art cause he's martyring

Other people who I'm waffly about
Rux is fixated on rayns claim nd can be using that to create content
Geript/onegu done nothing
Skynx literally cannot remember what he has done.

On August 30 2017 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Skynx what is your plan for tommorow regardless of what art flips?

On August 30 2017 03:12 LightningStrike wrote:

Why you so certain rayn isn't the jailkeeper?

On September 01 2017 16:23 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know about the last mafia. I'm really tempted to say oats because he picks Tumblewood as mafia for not doing/saying much but ignores ruxxar/onegu/ls/skynx/damdred who all practically did the identical thing. He also started putting in work to get tw lynched out of all of these people just when mylo was about to hit which I don't know how to take. Usually more effort near the end of the game is mafia-y but with this low activity who the fuck knows.

I'd really rather no lynch today if you don't want to kill onegu since I'll likely die and then that forces ruxxar/skynx to actually formulate some reads that don't involve preying on me whilst I'm unable to really play.

On September 01 2017 23:15 Damdred wrote:


What did you think of onegu post skynx?

Also i think you ignkred my post to yiu, and maybe id vote for oats idk yet.

On September 02 2017 03:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

you do realise that there are 5 townies and 3 mafia?

On September 02 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

That means that there are only 2 people who intentionally arent voting HF if hes mafia.

So there are more townies(4) that arent voting HF than mafia(2).

So you are completely wrong in your assessement that if no one votes your target, he must be mafia.

On September 02 2017 04:00 Holyflare wrote:
I am voting no lynch???

On September 02 2017 04:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why did it take this long after agreeing that you should nolynch?

On September 02 2017 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote:

• Onegu (1)- LightningStrike, Tumblewood, holyflare
  
• Tumblewood (0) - Oatsmaster, ruXxar , oatsmaster
  
• Oatsmaster (0) - Tumblewood skynx
  
• Holyflare (1) - Skynx, ruXxar, Oatsmaster skynx
  
• LightningStrike (1) - Onegu
  
• Ruxxar (0) - Holyflare Holyflare
  
• No lynch (4) - Oatsmaster holyflare ruxxar skynx
  

Non-voters (1): Damdred,


Currently, nobody is set to be lynched.

Deadline is in (at Tuesday, Aug 29 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

On September 04 2017 03:04 Holyflare wrote:
no lynch is only good if people are actually talking about who the mafia team is and who they would lynch and what happens next

which absolutely nobody in this game is doing

On September 04 2017 04:14 Tumblewood wrote:

another great way to get done with this game is to lynch the mafia

On September 04 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think oats is mafia he could have stayed on me and won the game yesterday but he went no lynch

much town

On September 04 2017 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:

i already have several times, but onegu/oats/rux. rather not lynch rux first but i might

On September 05 2017 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
He's just afk. Again.

On September 05 2017 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
Also not mafia since when he was around if ruxxar is town he could have easily just bandwagoned on. So they're either mafia together or he's town.

On September 05 2017 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
So it's likely they're mafia together.

But in the world you're speaking in you seem to not think ruxxar is mafia.

But you're also voting him.

Why?

On September 05 2017 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
What's the rsoultin incident?

On September 05 2017 03:24 Holyflare wrote:


She didn't fake to give up? She was genuinely angry.

On September 05 2017 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
And that's irrelevant to damdred afking lol. Dude has been modkilled or warned plenty of times for it happening.

On September 05 2017 03:38 Damdred wrote:
i like always afk when im not abke to post? And usually i am one of the last to vote anyway, you coukd look at my 100 games and see i suck at not voting early.

And thats poor...reason to read me scum tbh.

But anyway

I actually think

tw with hiw he reacted to the rux wagon
onegu still hasnt done anything besides a shitty list.

The third i think is probabky between hf and rux still.

meh, the way oats went about today sucks but if hes scum he ahowed a lot of face atm.

idk everyone acting scummy slightly today.

but thebfirst three are most likely atm.

On September 05 2017 03:48 Damdred wrote:
And? If I am not here whatvis the point of that? Me making dexisions in my own time is my perogative.

And just like your koshi scum read early did you by chance even look at previous games to see if it is a scum tell or not?

And btw while it might be truebi have gotten more afk as the game went along due to irl, i did counter wagon the koshi lynch, and i had decisive action as you would say even if he was town.

On September 05 2017 03:56 Damdred wrote:


So you are playing semantics to not admit i did sometging against your statement.

On September 05 2017 04:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

DUDE WHAT THE FUCK MAN.

Why cant mafia just no shoot all the way?

On September 05 2017 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:

how is it a draw?

On September 05 2017 04:07 Damdred wrote:
How is it a draw? I figured would just go forever until one side took actions.

On September 05 2017 05:15 Damdred wrote:


1) Be towny, and convince everyone you are town.

Once you get stwp one done you need to convince everyone about one person at a time.

2) Focus on one person, figure out why they are scum and come up with a simplified case. If you cant explain why that person is scum within say a paragraph you need to re evaluate.

3) Once you have step three done youbpost that case with quotes and a tldr blurb why they are scum and push that thing. post it and dont let people forget it, quote yourself and go ok that is ikportant comment on it.

If they try to marginalize or ignore dont stop push that case until everyone has taken a stanceYell if you have to, doesnt matter jsut get it done.