[M][N] Names Are Hard 2

On August 24 2017 22:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
So should I get rid of the jailer or start the game with 12?

On August 25 2017 04:48 Damdred wrote:
So I have a bad early town read on ls for the way he is acting.

On August 25 2017 04:51 LightningStrike wrote:

What so terrible about his entrance?

On August 25 2017 04:53 Skynx wrote:

(Generic 3)
Koshi posts gameplans as mafia

##Vote: Koshi

On August 25 2017 04:57 Tumblewood wrote:

it never ceases to amaze me how much information i have

On August 25 2017 05:00 Tumblewood wrote:

i feel like people make these kinds of posts ("if tw is scum he just tmi'd") about me 3x more than anyone else, and i don't get why.

On August 25 2017 05:02 Holyflare wrote:


Like this is the most "hf is town" post in the game

On August 25 2017 05:04 Tumblewood wrote:

it was hard to tell so i went with lmao, because if he was serious i show i think it's bad and if he was joking i don't fall for it. that's what we in the biz call a win-win

On August 25 2017 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No i think LS is town too i just don't get your town circle.

On August 25 2017 05:03 Damdred wrote:
I'm super stressed rayn ran an just trying to relax.

It is interesting lots jumped on my early ls read, and actually plus 1 it.

On August 25 2017 05:09 Holyflare wrote:


Nah but seriously that koshi post after I did basically claim scum is really fucking out there. Basically talking to me like confirmed town and to come back and join a town circle? Like what?

On August 25 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:

have you looked at a single town game

On August 25 2017 05:12 Damdred wrote:


Because generally speaking I have to fight tooth and nail to him not to be scum read. It's an interesting Chang of pace.

On August 25 2017 05:15 Vivax wrote:


I'll keep that point in mind. I really believed you claimed scum right there.

On August 25 2017 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:

He was talking about to HF instead of you in that post????

On August 25 2017 05:21 LightningStrike wrote:

Oh I thought you misread it that's all. Also where is Oats

On August 25 2017 05:21 Skynx wrote:

I dunno, that wasn't a very effortful post by me. Feel reads are alright at this point tho.

What i got from my Koshi read was that you, LS and TW all gave the same reaction. Which gives me some indication of that none of the 3 is scum with Koshi, in case he's scum.

On August 25 2017 05:25 Skynx wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

If what you mean is that TW lmao, i dunno what to make of that.

On August 25 2017 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes. I am talking about the "these three people are not mafia if Koshi is mafia" conclusion.

On August 25 2017 05:35 Skynx wrote:

Mind meld?

The timing of the posts don't matter here, TW & LS are replying to me elaborating on my thought process. HF is just trolling.

On August 25 2017 05:41 Skynx wrote:

You can find your answer by reading the thread.

On August 25 2017 05:45 Skynx wrote:

rayn told them to.

On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

On August 25 2017 05:48 Skynx wrote:

You guys are preventing me from doing anything else right now. I'd be happy if i was allowed to go back and read others aswell.

On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say

whaaaaat?

On August 25 2017 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk what else there is to do, you tell me.

On August 25 2017 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except that if you are so adamant about me needing to have a conclusion, why dont you give one yourself?

On August 25 2017 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is town.

On August 25 2017 06:10 Damdred wrote:
I think rayn is going to be a solid town read so far in this thread.

I hope we can work together this game. ATM though skynx feels like he's a bit floundering and trying to poke you rayn, I'm not sure what this makes him quite yet though.

Koshi and vivax also into the town pile.

@HF why you no care about the question you asked me?

On August 25 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote:


ahhh that's my point exactly though!

it's a weird train of thought to go through koshi's scum games and then get met with three people saying "But what about his town games?" and then decide that if koshi is mafia then they're all town

did you conclude that koshi does this opening as town too? <-------- super important question plz answer

On August 25 2017 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is bad.

On August 25 2017 06:13 Holyflare wrote:


RIGHT

don't answer for him tho

if he can make this conclusion then why is his first thought "Oh, they were right. If Koshi is mafia though these people aren't!" instead of "If Koshi IS town then these people could be mafia knowing too much!"?

On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.

1/20

On August 25 2017 06:22 geript wrote:
No voting thread???

##vote Koshi

On August 25 2017 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well you got 2 mafia then right? I am also super known for bussing my teammates for something noone else even notices, telling everyone to be silent so i can bus and take all the credit for it and then not take any credit for it.

Damn you figured me out. Who is the third mafia?

On August 25 2017 06:25 Damdred wrote:
@Koshi, I read rayn a bit by cares and how he goes about prodding people.

If you look atvlast game you sont see a lot of the earlybprodding or the ah hahmoment that i generally see him make as town.

His interaction with skynx seems like hebisborodding in the right direction and trying to ascertain motivation and to get a read/understabding of him.

to me it hust reads town rayn.

On August 25 2017 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think rayn's posts are particularly hard to fake as mafia so far dunno what you're all saying tbh

he also seemingly said what I said without saying it allegedly

On August 25 2017 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think rayn's posts are particularly hard to fake as mafia so far dunno what you're all saying tbh

he also seemingly said what I said without saying it allegedly

On August 25 2017 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am quite sure Koshi is actually mafia.

On August 25 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote:

are you telling me to watch out for geript because you think i'm mafia and he's supposed to know that

On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time

On August 25 2017 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Can you explain why it's suspicious for geript to have that kind of a read but it's not suspicious for me (as you, when you think i am mafia yell it into eternity)?

On August 25 2017 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

geript called other people town too.

On August 25 2017 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You don't probably understand, but trust me, i am telling you this:
If Skynx is town in this game, geript is not mafia.
100%.

On August 25 2017 06:50 Koshi wrote:

We are not going to be friends this game rayn. Sad days.

On August 25 2017 15:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

For some context: I was actually phoneposting and my work is in social media where there's constant activity that I have to respond to so no I actually can't post when I'm working.

On August 25 2017 14:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
In hypocritical news, I want to call HF scum but I have absolutely no reason for it.

On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:
Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do.

3/20

On August 25 2017 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) No talking about any actual content Skynx has given
2) No actual talking about any content other people have given on Skynx
3) Just some dilute analysis on playstyle and a weak conclusion baced basically on nothing

On August 25 2017 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you are saying you have a townread on Artanis because he can correctly townread me (when you for example can't).... weaaaakkkkkk.

On August 25 2017 17:36 Vivax wrote:


Please tell me this was a sentence of courtesy cause he was just answering questions that arose from his really weird conclusion.

On August 25 2017 17:40 Holyflare wrote:
Geript post was so trash it pains me. Like he expects me to read or what? None of his quotes contained the name koshi and it was all in reference to koshi. Then he basically just calls a bunch of us town and feeds my ego.

On August 25 2017 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also please for the love of god, hosts, make your filter links open on whatever site the user is on. I just can't filter dive at work.

On August 25 2017 17:53 ruXxar wrote:
Hey.
Didn't realize the game started, so I'm pretty relieved I'm not modkilled.

I'll read the thread when I get home. Won't have time at work.

On August 25 2017 17:55 Vivax wrote:


Now that you mention it, that other post is pretty close to what I came up with, if not the same.
Rest of your filter looks fine to me actually, but I really had to jump at that post.

Not voting you today, anyways.

On August 25 2017 18:21 Holyflare wrote:


I mean it's not wrong. It's not a write an essay about reason though.

On August 25 2017 18:43 Holyflare wrote:
If you can't post where I'm gonna scum read you btw

On August 25 2017 18:53 geript wrote:
1. Koshi scumreads me for a very clever TW read + Show Spoiler +
2. Koshi is misrepresenting the whole argument; it's not about Skynx being "stupid" it's about how Rayn pushes random stupid NAI shit as town and eats that shit up
+ Show Spoiler +
3. Koshi Keeps on moving the target of what I should be talking about to call me scum
+ Show Spoiler +
4. Koshi is misrepresenting my scum play as "lazy" in order to call me scum+ Show Spoiler +
5. Koshi is arguing town!me would both post about a vet and not post about a vet
+ Show Spoiler +
6. Koshi is being super lazy with his reading of the thread and is taking things out of context of the thread + Show Spoiler +

On August 25 2017 19:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I did plenty of mediocre analysis before though. You said so yourself.

On August 25 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote:


I think I disagree with this post and the previous one.

I think vivax is pretty clear where he stands on skynx and that is mafia leaning-mafia read currently.

And if you look at his filter I think it does read a bit like building conf bias, he starts with a weaker read of his on skynx. He builds on that with another example strengthening where the read is going and finally to the longer post it seems like it is pretty solid.

Is it probably weaker than most vivax reads? I don't necessarily think so, it was pretty early and it looks like vivax is reading and interacting with the game.

So nah I don't agree with you rayn.

On August 25 2017 22:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:

I rather look bigger targets than lurkers honestly because at best it's a 50-50 and at worst they are town that couldn't do anything.
Also lex did some posting although it was kinda okay but want more and better stuff from him.

On August 25 2017 23:05 Skynx wrote:
Art's comeback to the thread seemed kinda underwhelming for me, he's been called out i think for 1st post and disappearing. Most of the content he posted recently felt like he had to post something to me.

On August 25 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
Read koshi filter and his posts towards tw. Realise tw was a scum read and it's disappeared off the face of the earth.

Then look at his skynx progression. Skynx is probably mafia/bad looking after i post a good case (never votes skynx) into nothing changing but somehow he won't join the skynx wagon and now skynx is not even a mafia read. No posts in between.

His artanis read is "that's a good thought" but anyone with any semblance of a town thought can see artanis' read is forced as fuck and crumbled completely but koshi bypasses that.

Koshi's list of mafia initially magically became a list of an afk guy, a guy with 1 post and geript. Trash tier list. Now he got called out for it he's had to completely change it to some new bs that isn't congruent with his thoughts at all.

His post to me when I fake claimed mafia was also talking to me like I was town and should "join the town circle" pandering to me because he knows my alignment. He purports he didn't realise but that's bs.

Every koshi thought has been completely contradicted by his actions. There are either two koshis playing on his account or he's mafia.

LoL so bad probably mafia
HF

On August 25 2017 23:33 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk maybe if lex continues to be a bit underwhelming to my expectations of him then lex would be another lynch but I need to see more from him to make a better judgement I think.

On August 25 2017 23:34 Holyflare wrote:
Thinking more about koshi and artanis their interactions do seem a bit forced.


We lynch koshi today. Absolutely no way is his filter townie.

On August 25 2017 23:37 LightningStrike wrote:

Like I said lex if he continues to be underwhelming >.< I know he could do better stuff as town.

On August 25 2017 23:50 Skynx wrote:
I'm a Crystal Palace fan. Altho I enjoy when big teams fuck up a transfer season so bad. Barca can suck a dick for provoking Dembele's behavior.

On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

On August 25 2017 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:

Explain why you thought Koshi was mafia for his opening post alone?

On August 25 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:


Oh boy mafia just throwing themselves out

On August 25 2017 23:54 ruXxar wrote:

Mafia.

On August 25 2017 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:

He didn't explain it at least from my look in his filter.

On August 25 2017 23:59 ruXxar wrote:


More or less.

There were a couple walls of text I didnt fully understand(heyo geript) but w/e.

On August 26 2017 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
"There will not be a voting thread, I'm going to use the votecount machine".

Do we vote in the voting thread or here? Im confused.

On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him.

On August 26 2017 00:33 ruXxar wrote:


HF told me to not push you? Where?

On August 26 2017 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright HF. The reason i don't think you should write off Artanis & Skynx as non-scumbuddies is the following;

The last game i was town in Skynx started the game in a "similar" manner (you remember his "rayn is scum but i didnt read the thread" case). That case was based on his understanding of my meta from the previous game where i was mafia. I think it's quite safe to say Skynx' early game (at least as town) and opener is heavily based on meta (and feels for it). I believe there is a high chance Skynx is trying to imitate this as mafia here. The reasoning is the following:

The whole thing on Koshi was very very stupid, like there was literally no thought process behind what he said. However that doesn't really make him mafia. What caught my attention was when he was making conclusions while at the same time saying "my post ("case" on Koshi) didn't make any sense at all in the first place" since you can't even start to make conclusions when the premises are already wrong and you KNOW it (why would ANYONE, with or without Koshi being mafia NOT call out dumb stuff liek that?). The rest of it + what you brought up was already discussed.

Now based on the above, i think there is also a chance Artanis realizes this Skynx' last game thingy. I think it's even likely it has been discussed in scum QT in case they are both mafia. Therefore it makes perfect sense that Artanis would soft-defend Skynx like he did. I mean like, i am not saying this is something that makes Artanis mafia. I am just saying it is entirely possible for him to be mafia with Skynx. The reasons i think Artanis is mafia are:

And then there is also this post:

Why would i focus on anything other than his super duper terrible read?
I don't understand what the second sentence means?
"Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad" -- which means? Is Artanis saying his townread on me was bad? Shouldn't it make him mafia, not me? OR what is he trying to say here?

I have absolutely zero clue what Artanis is trying to do in this game or why he even comes up with his conclusions.

On August 26 2017 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:

hf / rayn / rux / art / geript / you. pick 3

On August 26 2017 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure if you are mafia or not.
If i have to choose between voting you or HF/ruxxar atm my vote will 100% go on you. You can count on that until you start doing town!Koshi things. Now you're just being sad you're being called mafia.

On August 26 2017 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

Well you see, you need to pick 3, not me.

Can you give any reasons at all for any one of your scumreads??

On August 26 2017 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:

Why you think Oats could be mafia?

On August 26 2017 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you even say this? Last 3 games holyflare has wanted to lynch mafia every D1 (2 mafia in generic), in all of those games town just went for some dumb option instead in the end. Like saying that is completely untrue.

On August 26 2017 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No need to it's true:

generic : Koshi, rsoultin
last ms-paint game: rayn
the big game: xatalos (also had a scumread on me he dropped mid-D1)

we all were mafia.

On August 26 2017 07:31 Holyflare wrote:


87

On August 26 2017 07:48 Vivax wrote:


Pretty sure your list is all town. Gratz. I'm not 100 % sure on Art and TW but LS, Koshi, me are very likely all town.

On August 26 2017 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone wh ohas a scumread on Holyflrae and has not explained it when i wake up i will lynch always. I will make up shit and fucking lynch the shit out of them. Koshi, fuck you.

On August 26 2017 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tumblewood is not mafia btw.
Now srsly gn.

On August 26 2017 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
So does anyone else agree with me on Vivax?

On August 26 2017 14:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm feeling like TRing skynx on a whim tbh.

I've been thinking a bit about his whole Koshi approach at the start of the game. am not so sure any more that it is a scummy way of starting the game. Sloppy, yes. But maybe also a genuine way of trying to apply meta.

So yea, I'm unscumreading him cause he did that instead of just being an opinion leech.

##Unvote

Now an alternative is needed, hrm.

On August 26 2017 15:40 ruXxar wrote:
Vivax is going on my scumlist as #2

On August 26 2017 16:08 Vivax wrote:
Literally your entire case on koshi is that first he listed a bunch of afkers for lynch which is NAI, then omgused two of you (while you misrep that he omgused all of you although one of the votes was AFTER he posted the list) which is also NAI.

While ignoring that he has 8 pages of filter and keeps giving thoughts on everything.

On August 26 2017 16:08 Vivax wrote:
Literally your entire case on koshi is that first he listed a bunch of afkers for lynch which is NAI, then omgused two of you (while you misrep that he omgused all of you although one of the votes was AFTER he posted the list) which is also NAI.

While ignoring that he has 8 pages of filter and keeps giving thoughts on everything.

On August 26 2017 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you're going to be wrong on Koshi. If you insist, i will sheep you though, since it seems like noone is paying any attention to what i say. On things that i find very clear. Like the Skynx thing earlier is super fucking clear and somehow half of the game came to a conclusion that Skynx is town for doign scummy shit, and it baffles me a great deal. Artanis is still doing nothing at all and makes conclusions based on very dumb things that don't even mean anything. geript can give a read on Tumblewood based on one sentence that should go AGAINST his meta, but cannot give any read on ruxxar when ruxxar as town in his opinion "cannot help vomiting everything he thinks into the thread" (aka he should be at least suspicious of ruxxar since ruxxar doesn't show this "quality" in this game -- it's a very simple train of thought geript for some reason cannot make).

Maybe... maybe there is like 30% chance i am actually wrong on Koshi and you are right and he is mafia. I just dont think it's the right answer.

On August 27 2017 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote:

So there are how many mafia now?

On August 27 2017 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:

No man, now is a nice time to play because in 3 hours, we cant play anymore.

On August 27 2017 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
You will be dead

On August 27 2017 01:08 Oatsmaster wrote:

Wanna explain the correlation between "good" players and town?

On August 27 2017 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Posting lists doesnt help you not get lynched you know.

On August 27 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
hey look baseless ad hom attacks and afk excuses

On August 27 2017 01:10 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Vivax (top of the top town)
Damdred
Tumblewood
LightningStrike

Going to read them town for now
Skynx
raynpelikoneet

Very very slight townread
Artanis[Xp]

Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF
Oatsmaster

The terrible playing townie in the mafia section belongs to the mafia.

On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.


geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.

I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.

I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.


This is my read. Accept it.