[M][N] Names Are Hard 2

On August 25 2017 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Hiya.

I love schnitzel.

On August 25 2017 08:03 Koshi wrote:
Well you came back in when all townleaders were gone and gave pretty mediocre analysis. Hopefully we will see more.

On August 25 2017 08:05 Koshi wrote:
Also dont see why I am null while you suggest I am a top town read in your skynx segment.

I'll think about it tomorrow.

On August 25 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:


Just for this I want to townread you. No mafia I can think of goes and asks for allies openly. You can have me for the time being then.

Don't know what rayn wants. Seems like he's reaching. Basically HF afkd, then un-afkd and accused Koshi of TMI, so I HF didn't afk, hence he didn't claim scum.

On August 25 2017 05:31 Skynx wrote:

If they were teammates, they would take caution reaching a conclusion so early on in the game.

On August 25 2017 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you guys let me talk to Skynx just for a couple of minutes please?

On August 25 2017 06:02 Koshi wrote:

I dnu.

Isn't it weird Artanis made a couple of post seemingly on a computer then says he is working so he can't post more.

Dnu. It's 23h00 and the guy is working on a computer but can't follow the thread? Meh.

On August 25 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean if geript is mafia and Skynx is town why WOULDNT geript talk about Skynx?

Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.

Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd

Like that's a really fucking weird argument to be making.

On August 25 2017 17:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think there is a decent chance Artanis is mafia.

On August 25 2017 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) No talking about any actual content Skynx has given
2) No actual talking about any content other people have given on Skynx
3) Just some dilute analysis on playstyle and a weak conclusion baced basically on nothing

On August 25 2017 17:33 Holyflare wrote:


Sooo you know that game you literally just hosted?





Come on artanis. This is all crazy subpar from you.

On August 25 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
You realise there was like 3 cycles of me antagonising him there though? Haven't done that yet.

I'm pretty sure you're hipster mafia. Going against the grain of every read for really weird reasoning and then bypassing the actual logic behind the scum reads though. So that's cool.

On August 25 2017 17:43 Holyflare wrote:




I mean this specifically. It just says I don't read any of the content but I'll compare him to how I think I'd feel as mafia but then skim one or two games and make a conclusion but really nvm i retract my conclusion just because?

None of it even contains any content. You don't look at any of the posts I've made about him and you just don't seem to care. Just looks like you're massively leaving your options open.

On August 25 2017 17:45 Vivax wrote:


I think this is a terrible read? Nobody caught rayn by looking at how angry he got last game. It's all about how stubborn he is about enforcing his own take on the game, pretty much similarly to anyone else who is a townie with huge ego a la me/Koshi/etc.

The conclusion may be right but mostly cause he told everyone to gtfo while he was conversing with skynx, in my book.

On August 25 2017 17:45 Koshi wrote:
Well. With my current townreads being town bosses we can lynch Artanis for funzies.

On August 25 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote:


There's some crazy cognitive dissonance in this post. You're saying that skynx could just be a tunneled townie but then when you elaborated earlier it was that you're hedging because of how quickly he rescinded it. But you're still saying he's stubborn townie?

So which is it? Is he townie for being tunnelled but then not townie for not being tunnelled?

Honestly the fact he rescinded that read so quickly after a bit of pressure was good. But the points I've made don't look like he's stubborn townie at all. Why would he be stubborn townie over a read he no longer believes at all???

On August 25 2017 19:35 Koshi wrote:
That is pretty good analysis btw Artanis. Your skynxread.
Question remains. Did you do it as mafia. Always easier to do better analysis as mafia.

On August 25 2017 19:55 Holyflare wrote:



I don't think that's a logical trail of thought and I have no idea why koshi agrees with it (probably cos he's mafia) Have you even read his progression? It's quoting 3 posts that says he does something and then literally 0 posts in between he says that's wrong.

Why is there lingering suspicion about koshi being mafia (based on his entrances) and making conclusions on that??? What is there to still be lingering about when he's proven himself wrong??

On August 25 2017 20:33 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I can see town!Skynx make that post.
I think it is more likely Skynx is town than Artanis at this point.

On August 26 2017 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

You think hes mafia?

On August 26 2017 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What the fuck ever i am the parity cop i can never get a check off so idc. Either i am dead or jailed.

On August 26 2017 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi artanis i think your team has to deal with me D2 too.

On August 26 2017 04:33 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lol ok sure dude. I dont have an opinion on you. Its interesting that you scumread me off that though.

On August 26 2017 06:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

This is pretty unnecessary

On August 26 2017 06:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

Its to read Rayn's alignment.
Not yours.

Duh

On August 26 2017 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I probably want to lynch Skynx here. If i am wrong you can call me bad, but now i dont see any reason to not trust this read.

On August 26 2017 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can talk whenever you decide to say something that I think makes sense.

On August 26 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey artanis, you happen to have any mafia reads?

On August 26 2017 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If skynx flips mafia can we always lynch you because you were so bad?

On August 26 2017 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
His longest post in the game is literally explaining why someone claiming cop is town

On August 24 2017 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fuck it /in
Just don't expect the same activity from me from before I got a full time job x_x I'm not workposting lol

On August 26 2017 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
Hey artanis are you ever gonna explain why you said skynx motivation to call koshi mafia was based not on the reasons skynx was calling koshi mafia?

On August 26 2017 19:00 Holyflare wrote:


So? Just because you can't play that much doesn't mean you pick the most obvious thing to waste your time on to talk about.

On August 26 2017 19:01 Holyflare wrote:


He's literally said he didn't have suspicion anymore???

On August 25 2017 05:11 Skynx wrote:

(that shitty bastard game, koshi town)

yeh I i guess just low risk opener in general

##Unvote

On August 26 2017 19:03 Holyflare wrote:


I'm sorry how do they not lead anywhere? You're a giant question mark and resolving that would be nice. You're not obligated to respond until you've caught up you know.

On August 26 2017 19:06 Vivax wrote:
This annoyed Artanis attitude makes me lean town pretty easily.

On August 26 2017 19:07 Holyflare wrote:
It's kind of ridiculous you expect us to think that someone that has an accusation that they read up on and realise is shit and he does it as town would also then keep scum reading said person.

It is especially ridiculous when he rescinded that accusation within one post and has no underlying scum read to begin with.

It's also hilarious when be blatantly town reads koshi later by virtue of wanting to sheep him.

On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

On August 26 2017 19:14 Vivax wrote:
Artanis could you just post a list thingy or anything.

I really get bad vibes when you spend your time being a historian and f5ing the front page.

On August 26 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:


Boom. Artanis is mafia.

On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

On August 26 2017 19:24 Holyflare wrote:


Because to the majority of the people in this game it's apparent that skynx didn't scum read koshi anymore but still had that weird thought process. To the person that doesn't know alignments we assume that makes him mafia.

To the mafia (you) you know he's town and make up a completely bull shit narrative town thought process that he didn't even have.

You're mafiaaaaa. Ggggggg.

On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really, no.

On August 26 2017 19:35 Holyflare wrote:


Kind of bull shit really. There's 4 minutes between him finding a mafia post and the town one. Basically the time it takes to meta dive and post.

Then 10 minutes after that he makes the conclusion after not thinking koshi is mafia.

On August 26 2017 19:37 Holyflare wrote:


Perhaps you should actually read ruxxar's post when you use him to defend yourself.




He doesn't even realise the order of events happening and is drunk.

On August 26 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something.

On August 26 2017 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright HF. The reason i don't think you should write off Artanis & Skynx as non-scumbuddies is the following;

The last game i was town in Skynx started the game in a "similar" manner (you remember his "rayn is scum but i didnt read the thread" case). That case was based on his understanding of my meta from the previous game where i was mafia. I think it's quite safe to say Skynx' early game (at least as town) and opener is heavily based on meta (and feels for it). I believe there is a high chance Skynx is trying to imitate this as mafia here. The reasoning is the following:

The whole thing on Koshi was very very stupid, like there was literally no thought process behind what he said. However that doesn't really make him mafia. What caught my attention was when he was making conclusions while at the same time saying "my post ("case" on Koshi) didn't make any sense at all in the first place" since you can't even start to make conclusions when the premises are already wrong and you KNOW it (why would ANYONE, with or without Koshi being mafia NOT call out dumb stuff liek that?). The rest of it + what you brought up was already discussed.

Now based on the above, i think there is also a chance Artanis realizes this Skynx' last game thingy. I think it's even likely it has been discussed in scum QT in case they are both mafia. Therefore it makes perfect sense that Artanis would soft-defend Skynx like he did. I mean like, i am not saying this is something that makes Artanis mafia. I am just saying it is entirely possible for him to be mafia with Skynx. The reasons i think Artanis is mafia are:

And then there is also this post:

Why would i focus on anything other than his super duper terrible read?
I don't understand what the second sentence means?
"Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad" -- which means? Is Artanis saying his townread on me was bad? Shouldn't it make him mafia, not me? OR what is he trying to say here?

I have absolutely zero clue what Artanis is trying to do in this game or why he even comes up with his conclusions.

On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process.

It is very simple.
Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y.

No way.

On August 26 2017 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like really really closely read this:

Look a the bolded sentence. In fact this is how the sentence goes if you read the thread:
"he put himself out there and even looked at a few other games of Koshi after Vivax and a couple of other dudes told him he is talking bs." Does this look townie anymore, when you say what ACTUALLY happened?

...but i also wont talk about the content of his posts AT ALL, just meta.

Well done.

On August 25 2017 05:39 Skynx wrote:

That's what im trying to say, TW is not necessarily a +1 imo

On August 25 2017 06:01 Skynx wrote:

That's not at all what i said. TW and LS are not +1's of Vivax. They are replying to me continuing on the same accusation of Koshi posting further mafia openers. It's their own conclusion yet same pattern as Vivax which is in my opinion town sided as they can just ignore if on their mafia teammate at that point.

It is annoying when you make me focus on just one bit of the game.

On August 26 2017 20:00 Holyflare wrote:


You mean the guy that scum read skynx but then with no new posts from skynx said we shouldn't lynch skynx and he wasn't in any scum list?

On August 25 2017 23:58 Skynx wrote:
Back on topic:

My plan is to ignore alignment of HF til later, prolly Day2.5 as he's hard to read and altogether impossible to lynch D1.

TW/gerpit/Art looks like a good trio to focus at

On August 26 2017 20:02 Skynx wrote:
Sad thing is its prolly all town on me again

On August 26 2017 20:02 Holyflare wrote:


Don't see why he couldn't at all. The qt could easily be:

Koshi: fuck this game hard with rayn/hf town we gotta bus

And then skynx does that.

On August 26 2017 20:10 Skynx wrote:

Cuz you are so lost in this game you have no idea what you're doing.

On August 26 2017 20:15 Holyflare wrote:
???? Are you fucking serious?

On August 26 2017 20:26 Skynx wrote:

Cuz i have no other reason to townread him. Rayn usually is calm and collected.

On August 26 2017 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait did Koshi say so?

On August 25 2017 23:21 Koshi wrote:
I decided that a geript/HF/Ruxxar team is possible.

On August 25 2017 23:24 Koshi wrote:
I just keep claiming mafia to make it easy for you.

On August 25 2017 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax

Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx

Very very slight townread
Tumblewood

MIA
Oatsmaster

LoL so bad probably mafia
HF

Mafia
Geript
ruXxar

On August 25 2017 23:38 Koshi wrote:

I wish you the best of luck. It is going to be possible.

I think your play is to convince rayn (shouldn't be hard), and then the townie out of Ruxxar and geript. Should be really easy if that by some miracle that is geript. Then the other one is a free vote as well.

I wonder if you will need the third mafia. Better not sit with 3 mafia on my wagon. Just not good for my ego end game.

On August 25 2017 23:54 Koshi wrote:

psshh psshhh: You need his vote on me. Gotta make friends.

On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:

What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect.

On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax

Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx

Very very slight townread
Tumblewood

MIA
Oatsmaster

Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF

On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:

I am just mafia bullshitting bro. No worries.

On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1. So don't trust them lol. (I repeat: HF is probably mafia this game. Whenever I say things like this it is because I work in a "what if" world)

I am without doubt the best D1 reader. No doubt.

I am telling you the lynch needs to be within geript/HF/Ruxxar.
I am telling you Skynx is town for now. Do not touch him D1. There are no longer mafia left that could be his partner.

I am super against an Artanis lynch as 4th option. But he is more likely town for his play today. However, I can see the "underwhelming" lynch be tempting.

2/3 mafia is with Ruxx/HF/Geript.

I know it is true.

On August 26 2017 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah that's something i knew already. I was jsut thinking if it makes Koshi mafia that after calling HF "not annoying enough" every time he posts towards HF he feels super annoyed.

On August 25 2017 23:17 Koshi wrote:
Message to my fans.

Don't put HF too high on your lists. He is smart. Which is not how he plays town. And when he pushes me he isn't annoying enough.

He is fine for today. Not fine for D3. And he is going to get to D3 this game.

On August 26 2017 20:46 Vivax wrote:


Why do you talk as if you had your pants down

On August 27 2017 02:57 Damdred wrote:


I think one of my main points I didn't harp on enough was this. (Or I just realized it but let's pretend I'm a good player and just forgot)

His geript read comes out of thin air and seems to be pandering to the two main factions in the thread. Koshi and Geript (hf and rayn respectively).

His koshi read is somewhat developed but does not stray to much from developed read that hf has put forward.

His geript read however is air, has no backing and both (if not all his reads). Seem like they are just playing towards fitting in with the thread at that moment in time.

I think he went from voting skynx, to then saying he would vote for wither koshi or geript.

Skynx was thread sentiment push by rayn, koshi is thread sentiment by hf.

It makes little sense to me for a town artanis to do this.

On August 27 2017 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He is saying your reads go into a convenient place. I honestly agree with that. Especially when you had earlier said geript is your top scumread or "most likely to get your vote" when Skynx thing was on, when Skynx thing ended you suddenly paired up Koshi there and voted for him instead when neither of them had done anything inbetween.

On August 27 2017 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Why were you scumreading Geript earlier because you left it unexplained?

On August 27 2017 04:29 Skynx wrote:
It's still 5-5, art with later votes

On August 27 2017 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

NO HE IS NOT THE POST DOESNT SAY ANYTHIGN!!!!

On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:

It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go.

On August 27 2017 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't mean the votes, i mean the fact that mafia can never lynch Damdred or Koshi if you turn up mafia and the rest of your reads are "idk". And that's your last will.

On August 27 2017 04:46 Skynx wrote:

Wouldn't be my fault if you were dumb enough to do that. My theory is that you get endgame towncred for that last will knowing you won't get lynched. Only Oats was online who was off wagon. He wasn't gona switch he was suggesting Koshi lynch all along so you knew there was no shennanies.

On August 27 2017 04:52 Skynx wrote:

Such an irrelevant question. I still think Art is mafia, in case someone wakes up we lynch mafia. I knew koshi was town when he didn't defend.

On August 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:

It's not rocket science, i was 4th vote then TW voted 3 mins to go.

On August 27 2017 05:02 Skynx wrote:

The fact that Koshi was on 5 votes was available for past 2.5 hours, me being the last one on you with 30 mins to go also known to everyone around on EoD. Needed 2 people and only TW showed up.
Your reaction is fake.

On August 27 2017 05:04 Skynx wrote:
It's irrelevant, information was there with 5 minutes to go.

On August 27 2017 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Though Skynx isn't that likely to be scum unless Geript is scum. Me and Koshi both being town means the only reason he'd be highly interested in the vote count as mafia is if Geript is scum.

On August 27 2017 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The red line talks to me like you clearly believe my story and don't even doubt it. The green line is a theory that is completely opposed to it. What the fuck?

On August 27 2017 05:11 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure if skynx being scum guarantees the geript slot as scum.

The geript wagon had started to fall apart even before I really started the push on you art. Like rayn jumped off to rux (not a bad vote probably), and then onto you with me and ls.

So I don't think geript was an actual option near eod.

Though it is super interesting If the geript slot is scum how certain people cared so little around eod when he got safe.

On August 27 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote:
It should be quite obvious why people off koshi are scummy though. The koshi train had legit points that I've argued and not one person countered them with anything whatsoever. Blanket "oh I think koshi is town though" statements are so so bull shit and disingenuous. The wagon had pure reasons, koshi was a shitter but yet people still were hesitant for 0 explained reasons.

Koshi is a ridiculously hars person to push when he's town and the mafia know it. That's why I'm looking at people who didn't vote him.

This is the rels 2.0 lynch.

On August 27 2017 17:51 Holyflare wrote:


The people on koshi were on him for at least half a cycle so not particularly true.

On August 26 2017 20:10 Skynx wrote:

Cuz you are so lost in this game you have no idea what you're doing.

On August 28 2017 00:09 ruXxar wrote:


I don't understand something here.
Why is damdred lock scum, while all the other people you mentioned are null, townish or whatnot.

It doesn't seem to me like your reason for scum reading damdred is any stronger than the reasons you have given for any of your other "maybe" people.

On August 28 2017 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Artanis did the classic Titanic-Vivax thing:

On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.

On August 25 2017 15:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Presumably because he believes everyone's already said what there is to be said about Skynx. Kinda why I view the whole Geript is scum because he didn't talk about Skynx argument to be NAI.

What I don't like about Geript is how he votes Koshi and calls him mafia in the first post about him, but then just proceeds to call everything "pretty odd" "weird" and a lot of other words that don't say "scum".



Reminds me of how Marv got caught as scum once.

On August 26 2017 20:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:


This is the first time he mentioned HF possibly being scum. Since then, he's mentioned HF like this:











gl hf bois. I think I am at least 2/3 right. HF is pretty certain mafia. He has been horribly shitty last couple of games (correct readwise (and compared to me)) but I think this is beyond that.

Punish the mafia. I really think I am very right. Maybe rayn is mafia as well. But I don't think he is.

So do not lynch Skynx/Artanis in future days when I am lynched. Go for geript/ruxx and hf.


I truly hope some of you quote this post a couple times in future days.

On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:

I am just mafia bullshitting bro. No worries.

On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1. So don't trust them lol. (I repeat: HF is probably mafia this game. Whenever I say things like this it is because I work in a "what if" world)

I am without doubt the best D1 reader. No doubt.

I am telling you the lynch needs to be within geript/HF/Ruxxar.
I am telling you Skynx is town for now. Do not touch him D1. There are no longer mafia left that could be his partner.

I am super against an Artanis lynch as 4th option. But he is more likely town for his play today. However, I can see the "underwhelming" lynch be tempting.

2/3 mafia is with Ruxx/HF/Geript.

I know it is true.

On August 28 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't believe you. Sure it is possible but i do not believe you.
During the time you had this "thought" you did:


Skynx townread then rayn not so town anymore.

Some arguing with Holyflare.

Ruxxar town read.

Some random things on Oats.

Scumread on geript. (note that all the stuff on Koshi has happened at this point).

Random things on Vivax.

More defending on Skynx.

Arguing with Holyflare (no conclusions).

Then, the read on Skynx.


Now before the actual scumread on Skynx (or where you say you need to read his filter, there is over 19 hours, and about 50% of your filter. You literally didn't do anything proactive during that time, you werent focused on Skynx because you didn't have a scumread on Skynx. Apparently your scumreads on geript and Koshi are from that time, yet you didn't do ANYTHING to get those reads out into the thread, and did basically EVERYTHING that was not getting those reads out into the thread.

Only when it started mattering, aka we are lynching one of those two people, you started caring, and even then you made a very irrational choice at that time.

So no, i don't believe your explanation.

On August 28 2017 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i mean is, i don't care if you can make 1 post or 100 posts but when you make 50 and none of them are trying to get your scumread lynched you can't say "it's because i didn't have time" as it clearly is not where you used your time when you had time.

On August 28 2017 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why did you even need the feel to defend yourself when nobody was even close to voting for you?
There is absolutely no reason to, especially since there were three people up for lynch at that point, all of them you hadn't apparently read properly.

I don't believe you feel the need to defend yourself at this point as town instead of finding who is mafia amongst them three. And you sure had time, i don't like where you used your time when you had it.

On August 28 2017 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See here is the kicker.

You knew, that i heavily think geript is mafia. You promised to sheep me on what i want to do. If you have read any of my posts you knew that i don't actually think Koshi is mafia. There are many problems:
1) what i just said, you hadn't read any of those people
2) when you got out of Skynx being mafia, you chose to filter Koshi, decide he is mafia, and vote + afk (i dont care about the reasons but that's what you did).

You are still not sure if geript is mafia so you jsut randomly took one of those people, filtered him, and called him mafia. I am fucking terrible at explaining this but that's not what townies do, i would be okay if you just sheeped me on geript or even read geript instead of Koshi (as he was your top scumread at the time).

Basically you are ranking people above or below others while having absolutely no idea what they have posted, when you sheep, you dont sheep the people you said you would, and i think that makes you mafia.

On August 28 2017 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I will call this a lie.


I will call this a lie too and i have already explained it. And well, at that time you were WITH 100% CERTAINTY IN THE THREAD. There is absolutely no way after my post where i say "i believe this game is 8v4" you do not connect the dots that i think Skynx is not in fact mafia. No way.

On August 28 2017 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Like i really don't believe you saw the last post but not the one's above. They are ~10mins apart and you were in the thread at the time. The post are NEXT TO EACH OTHER in the thread and you are telling me you saw that i claimed a parity cop but you didn't know i scumread geript....

On August 28 2017 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that doesn't change my opinion on you.

On August 28 2017 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think this might be TMI since i didn't know geript was feeling shitty and stuff before he 100% afk'd, which is not what we are talking about here.

On August 27 2017 01:14 geript wrote:

I'm feeling a little better today, but still not great so I'm going to answer this. I am depressed. I've only had job offers from shit ends places. I haven't had a job for 4 months now and had to sell of a major part of my EDh deck. Shipping the mtg cards cost the last cash I had and I'm literally broke. Like I. Crying and don't want to get out of bed right now just writing this.

You are taking things for being mafia which have no relation to the game. I'm going to grab a bite and I'll be back.

On August 28 2017 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah and the geript post was after you already had voted for Koshi.

On August 28 2017 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript post: August 26 2017 19:14 MSK
Artanis Koshi vote: August 26 2017 14:48 MSK

"I didn't read geript at the time i voted for Koshi because i knew he was feeling shitty and was afk"

yeah no.

On August 28 2017 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like if you're town you have supermassively fucked up almost everything you are now saying so this conversation can end. But i am never going to vote for anyone except for you tomorrow.

On August 28 2017 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is you never even tried. You even claimed he is your top scumread and now you claim you basically have not read anything he wrote...................................

On August 28 2017 01:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I know you don't, that much is obvious. However if you check any of my old games I tend to get upset at people scumreading me. Just look at Noir where I flipped my shit and even started martyring before anyone even voted me. 'tis something I do regardless of how 'logical' it is.

On August 28 2017 01:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Eh, all I can do is tell you the truth. If you want to actually give me a chance, don't keep focussing on me and I may actually be able to focus on the rest of the thread. I know it sucks to say that and that I should just do it myself, but like I said I can't help myself. I acknowledge the flaw.

On August 28 2017 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:

I literally said "wasted vote, bad rayn", thats all. I clearly dont think that I dissuaded anyone from voting for ruxxar.

And you clearly didnt write a case. So it was a wasted vote, evidenced by the fact that you moved onto artanis.

You understand that it was a wasted vote in that situation or you think that it was a totally useful one that contributes to us finding mafia?

On August 28 2017 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna say one more thing on this, you don't need to answer, and i hope, if you are town Artanis, that you up your play. It most likely wont save you D2 but still.

I think your story doesn't add up. There are many points where what you do make absolutely no sense to me from the perspective where i am thinking what you would think in a situation based on what you have posted before. I never blame anyone for not being able to play at certain times, but I think you are well aware of the situation at times you post and given that this assumption is true (which your posts indicate) i think you are making decisions that are highly questinable, in a sense that you:
1) certainly figure out the game is at X state (who are possible lynches, and all that jazz)
2) but then, when you do stuff, you do something completely irrelevant to what's important to the game, or at least you're now trying to explain it in a way
3) i don't think you would focus on things you do if you were town, while your explanations "match up" with your actions, i dont think they are townie actions if the explanation is in fact true

I just can't believe you would be so nonchalant about the top 3 lynches (while doing other stuff) as town while clearly realizing those three are town's top lynches. Expecially when you DONT give any other scumreads, and when you DO read at least some of them mafia.

On August 28 2017 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:

Well yeah but I'm also pretty clearly town so getting rayn to understand that will help.

On August 26 2017 03:36 Tumblewood wrote:

wow i am impressed you basically managed to name my top 4 town in order

On August 28 2017 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:

This is totally incorrect. At that time, the whole thread had the same reads as him... He hasn't done anything that went against the flow of the thread.
Also totally superficial meta read that means nothing.

What is this townread?!??

On August 28 2017 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah writing a lst weill that says absolutely nothing is very hard to do in 2 minutes.

On August 28 2017 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis have you always been up to date with the thread when you post your scum reads?

On August 28 2017 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
What about when you made the koshi read? Had you caught up at that point?

On August 28 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Ah okay, you're mafia then. I made my koshi case page 22 and it was discussed by a few people quite a bit in those pages after. No way you didn't see it and then magic up a read like you say you did.

On August 28 2017 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Ah okay, you're mafia then. I made my koshi case page 22 and it was discussed by a few people quite a bit in those pages after. No way you didn't see it and then magic up a read like you say you did.

On August 28 2017 02:52 Holyflare wrote:


This is also a bs last will now that I look at it because if you think the Koshi case is the strongest and he's the most mafia but then you just write a shit line about "wait and see" on me despite copying my exact reads and following my lynch.

I don't believe you think those thoughts simultaneously.

Whoever it was that said about your damdred read is also spot on.

On August 28 2017 02:54 Holyflare wrote:


Bahahahaha

On August 28 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:


Oh, that's convenient then because I post it again on page 26!

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?page=26#506

Nice try

On August 28 2017 02:57 Holyflare wrote:


No but having the same thought as someone and pushing the same case as someone generally makes that guy look townier for having the exact same thoughts.

Apparently not to you though.

On August 28 2017 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
If you guys don't lynch artanis I will cry

On August 28 2017 03:00 Holyflare wrote:


Oh that's convenient because I post it again on page 42!

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?page=42#826

On August 28 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like conversing with you is just a colossal waste of time meant to lead us down stupid places.

On August 28 2017 05:10 Skynx wrote:
No pressure on him whatsoever to claim as town. He could've even forced Vivax out for god sake...

On August 28 2017 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Well that was unexpected.
Announcement
To everyone - please vote for me. It doesn't matter whether you think I'm mafia or town, there's no way I'm not flipping this game. A) I don't have the time and B) Even if I did, I dug myself a hole way too deep to crawl out of. It's normal that I get lynched for what I said. It should happen.

Going forward
Don't discuss me, I'm geting lynched and there is no point. Work with me to find the rest of the mafia. I don't have much time (in fact no time on tuesday at all before deadline due to work+capoeira) but I'll try my hardest monday. Maybe I can be of some use in death where I failed in life.
##Vote Artanis[Xp]

On August 25 2017 17:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
in b4 the scumteam is oats/ruxXar/geript

On August 28 2017 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you HF I will make this easier for you
##Vote: LightningStrike
I can't be bothered to defend myself when I rather spend my birthday doing other stuff.

On August 28 2017 10:09 LightningStrike wrote:
We lynching me instead of lex k thanx bye.

On August 28 2017 13:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn tried to put a trap for mafia a easy way out of lynching lex if lex is mafia and no one was biting
##Unvote

On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:

It's not exactly true...

From Generic:


The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game.


A few things here:
1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia.
2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own.



Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro

3/20

On August 26 2017 04:14 geript wrote:


Remember Generic 3? Remember Ruxxar who had a complete inability to not vomit each and every single little thought he had in the thread? It's kinda like that but way more subdued. It's like he has a thought, gives no shit about how it makes him look and just posts it.

On sec let me get on comp to find an example.

On August 27 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
LS has approached this whole voting period very weirdly.
He mentions wanting to lynch artanis over 30 minutes ago but doesnt actually do it till damdred and rayn get on him.
He waffles around artanis after he says this

like he is being convinced by rayn.

It all seems really fake and he only did it after approval by other people.

On August 27 2017 03:54 Oatsmaster wrote:

He hasnt posted anything useful the entire game.

Also like ruxxar, no one thinks he really needs to die day 1 so Im not gonna push him NOW.

You see, the problem is that its 36 minutes to the lynch, so finding mafia doesnt really help when you cant actually get enough people to lynch them.

On August 29 2017 04:48 Holyflare wrote:


What does this mean?? You town read him for it so how does it "describe a lot of it"?

On August 26 2017 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I am starting to come around to this. Need to read Skynx' filter.

On August 29 2017 04:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi got lynched though so it's not like I did anything wrong.
Also, don't you see the difference between posting something about someone and voting for someone that doesn't have any votes and not doing anything????????

This scumread by artanis is super lazy. Considering he spent much more time on geript who hasn't actually posted anything in 2 days, I have to assume that artanis is outta scumreads and is really trying hard to make something up.

On August 29 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
but rayn broke it down before the lynch and that information was always there and I'm almost 100% sure you actually said you now TOWN read skynx and switched your reads to koshi/geript at that point

now it's scummy???

On August 29 2017 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
well if they're genuine don't you think it would be kind of useful to know why you think those things when you didn't previously then?

On August 29 2017 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont think the scenario changes much for me.

The scenario that's going to happen:

The scenario that's not going to happen:

On August 29 2017 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Town
LightningStrike - Basically, he's too clueless this game. He basically goes entirely with where thread sentiment is and the way he questions people when other people call them scum show he doesn't have any additional information. There's also this sequence of posts:



That never ever ever ever come from mafia LS.

Holyflare - Holyflare is actually my second townread this game. The way he responded to my list, then finding something in Rayn's questioning of me that made him do a 'gotcha!' is one of the rare things I don't see scum!HF doing that quickly. He also has a very clear picture of the game, and has all the details about who he thinks are scum and why in his head. When something new pops up, he doesn't instantly try to call someone scum for it but actually looks into it, like he did regarding the page numbers with me.


Damdred - You need to give me some tips on how to be awesome on a limited timeframe dude He just feels really free this game. I can see his train of thought in most things like here:

He's very specifically chasing things. Geript made a big post but Damdred correctly analyzes that it didn't answer his questions, whilst also keeping a birds' eye view and questioning LS in a way that will likely help him read LS. No problems standing up to Rayn despite townreading him and gives people their day in the sun.

Raynpelikoneet - Two reasons, really. One is that I don't see why scum would blueclaim there. Rayn wasn't particularly feeling a lot of heat, and I don't recall any situation in which Rayn has fakeclaimed blue as scum, let alone in a scenario like this though I may be wrong. The second was the way he hounded Skynx and everyone who disagreed with him on it that made it clear that it's something he believed in. The way he then approached me later was much in the same way.

Furthermore, I believe if either Rayn or HF is mafia this game the game is already lost. Whichever one would be would be able to get enough town players on their side to lynch in case of need. The lines are split in the sand in a way that it's not helpful in any way to idly speculate on either of them being scum without a strong backing why (note: that Rayn fakeclaimed parity cop is not one.)

Town Lean
Tumblewood - I've mentioned this before, but Tumblewood has been really good about speaking his mind and the post in which he shared notes is not something he has done before in any game that I checked of his. He tends to struggle with activity as scum as well as that he tends to make more sense as scum. Tumble this game has been relatively active, pushing reads that don't necessarily correspond with thread sentiment, and has just been open about where his head's at.

Null
Skynx - Skynx has done a lot of things that I thought were mafia-like. The mess we've talked about for over 30 pages already describes a lot of it. There's also the association with Geript, where Geript entered the thread without talking about him. I found it odd that he held such a close tab on the vote count without posting too much, but he did actually show face in wanting to lynch me a bit. One thing also in his favour is that I struggle to see him being scum with ruXxar, whom I think is most likely to be scum as the way they both pushed Rayn out of the gate after what happened during N1 is unlikely to both be from scum.

Mafia Lean
Geript/Onegu - It all starts with his entry, which focuses a lot on Koshi without addressing a lot of the topics that were in the thread back then. He also gets rather defensive regarding his top scumread scumreading him. Half his post is about this:

The main part of his post is defending against Koshi and trying to prove him wrong rather than showing in any way how Koshi is mafia. He also ends up getting stuck commenting just about his Tumblewood read rather than talking about Koshi, which doesn't make much sense given Tumblewood was not a realistic lynch that day.

He also mentions RuXxar here whom actually already came into the thread agreeing with his reads, yet never conversed with him or even mentioned anything about him. Clearly familiar with RuXxar, whom was present in the thread and people were talking about. No read.

Main reason it's just a lean was because he was feeling shitty. Maybe he just had an off game because of that. I couldn't blame him if he did, but his filter looks pretty bad.

Oatsmaster - Oats this game has been the very definition of low-effort scumplay. He calls people mafia for very faint reasons, then proceeds to do nothing with it. He inquired to Rayn about whom he talked about only to do nothing with it. He's going through all the motions of 'scumhunting' without ever actually doing any scumhunting. When Koshi was getting lynched, he didn't really seem to care that people were switching over to me, only that he thought Koshi was the best lynch. He didn't say "Don't lynch Artanis! Koshi is the better lynch!" he just sat around and did nothing but make passing comments from the sidelines, which makes a lot of sense for a scum when there are no scum up for lynch.

He comments about LS (0 votes, 30 minutes before deadline):


Which is rather ironic given he berated Rayn for going after ruXxar without doing much about it:


Another point he also used later to attack Rayn for no avail. Oats has no sense of priority which is not a town Oats.

Mafia
ruXxar - Ruxxy unfortunately is mafia, mainly due to TMI. Firstly, due to the way he responded to the Skynx thing. No one thought Skynx was solid town but him for his initial post. I thought it looked okay, but not more than a slight townlean. Everyone else thought it looked scummy or worse. He also never gives a read on Geript. And then, he has a solid townread on me when everyone and their mom is scumreading me. What the weirdest part to me is in this regard is that he questions me for my Damdred read after everything that was being discussed, then when day breaks doesn't even go into it and asks what the case on me is. He was there. The only reason I can think of is that he knows I'm town.

It also makes sense with Skynx, as he'd know Skynx was town given that there's not a world in which ruXxar and Skynx are both mafia. They don't both respond this way when the cop dies. There's also a bit of meta in this in that I know ruXxar has no fear as either alignment and will do crazy shit. I'm not convinced/sure that this is true for Skynx.

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Again, sorry for playing pretty awful dudes. Don't WIFOM yourself and not lynch me, it needs to happen at some ponit this game. I'll quote this post at EoD on my phone if I'm done with capoeira tomorrow so that people can remember my reads after my flip. Just gonna relax the rest of the evening and spend it with Tina but may check in to answer some questions if there are any.