EPTLightningStrike - Basically, he's too clueless this game. He basically goes entirely with where thread sentiment is and the way he questions people when other people call them scum show he doesn't have any additional information. There's also this sequence of posts:
On August 28 2017 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you HF I will make this easier for you
##Vote: LightningStrike
I can't be bothered to defend myself when I rather spend my birthday doing other stuff.
Fuck you HF I will make this easier for you
##Vote: LightningStrike
I can't be bothered to defend myself when I rather spend my birthday doing other stuff.
On August 28 2017 10:09 LightningStrike wrote:
We lynching me instead of lex k thanx bye.
We lynching me instead of lex k thanx bye.
On August 28 2017 13:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn tried to put a trap for mafia a easy way out of lynching lex if lex is mafia and no one was biting
##Unvote
Damn tried to put a trap for mafia a easy way out of lynching lex if lex is mafia and no one was biting
##Unvote
That never ever ever ever come from mafia LS.
Holyflare - Holyflare is actually my second townread this game. The way he responded to my list, then finding something in Rayn's questioning of me that made him do a 'gotcha!' is one of the rare things I don't see scum!HF doing that quickly. He also has a very clear picture of the game, and has all the details about who he thinks are scum and why in his head. When something new pops up, he doesn't instantly try to call someone scum for it but actually looks into it, like he did regarding the page numbers with me.
Damdred - You need to give me some tips on how to be awesome on a limited timeframe dude
He just feels really free this game. I can see his train of thought in most things like here:On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?
@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?
@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?
He's very specifically chasing things. Geript made a big post but Damdred correctly analyzes that it didn't answer his questions, whilst also keeping a birds' eye view and questioning LS in a way that will likely help him read LS. No problems standing up to Rayn despite townreading him and gives people their day in the sun.
Raynpelikoneet - Two reasons, really. One is that I don't see why scum would blueclaim there. Rayn wasn't particularly feeling a lot of heat, and I don't recall any situation in which Rayn has fakeclaimed blue as scum, let alone in a scenario like this though I may be wrong. The second was the way he hounded Skynx and everyone who disagreed with him on it that made it clear that it's something he believed in. The way he then approached me later was much in the same way.
Furthermore, I believe if either Rayn or HF is mafia this game the game is already lost. Whichever one would be would be able to get enough town players on their side to lynch in case of need. The lines are split in the sand in a way that it's not helpful in any way to idly speculate on either of them being scum without a strong backing why (note: that Rayn fakeclaimed parity cop is not one.)
Town Lean
Tumblewood - I've mentioned this before, but Tumblewood has been really good about speaking his mind and the post in which he shared notes is not something he has done before in any game that I checked of his. He tends to struggle with activity as scum as well as that he tends to make more sense as scum. Tumble this game has been relatively active, pushing reads that don't necessarily correspond with thread sentiment, and has just been open about where his head's at.
Null
Skynx - Skynx has done a lot of things that I thought were mafia-like. The mess we've talked about for over 30 pages already describes a lot of it. There's also the association with Geript, where Geript entered the thread without talking about him. I found it odd that he held such a close tab on the vote count without posting too much, but he did actually show face in wanting to lynch me a bit. One thing also in his favour is that I struggle to see him being scum with ruXxar, whom I think is most likely to be scum as the way they both pushed Rayn out of the gate after what happened during N1 is unlikely to both be from scum.
Mafia Lean
Geript/Onegu - It all starts with his entry, which focuses a lot on Koshi without addressing a lot of the topics that were in the thread back then. He also gets rather defensive regarding his top scumread scumreading him. Half his post is about this:
On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:
It's not exactly true...
From Generic:
The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game.
A few things here:
1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia.
2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own.
Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HrggHWB.png)
3/20
It's not exactly true...
From Generic:
The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game.
A few things here:
1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia.
2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own.
Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro
3/20
The main part of his post is defending against Koshi and trying to prove him wrong rather than showing in any way how Koshi is mafia. He also ends up getting stuck commenting just about his Tumblewood read rather than talking about Koshi, which doesn't make much sense given Tumblewood was not a realistic lynch that day.
On August 26 2017 04:14 geript wrote:
Remember Generic 3? Remember Ruxxar who had a complete inability to not vomit each and every single little thought he had in the thread? It's kinda like that but way more subdued. It's like he has a thought, gives no shit about how it makes him look and just posts it.
On sec let me get on comp to find an example.
Remember Generic 3? Remember Ruxxar who had a complete inability to not vomit each and every single little thought he had in the thread? It's kinda like that but way more subdued. It's like he has a thought, gives no shit about how it makes him look and just posts it.
On sec let me get on comp to find an example.
He also mentions RuXxar here whom actually already came into the thread agreeing with his reads, yet never conversed with him or even mentioned anything about him. Clearly familiar with RuXxar, whom was present in the thread and people were talking about. No read.
Main reason it's just a lean was because he was feeling shitty. Maybe he just had an off game because of that. I couldn't blame him if he did, but his filter looks pretty bad.
Oatsmaster - Oats this game has been the very definition of low-effort scumplay. He calls people mafia for very faint reasons, then proceeds to do nothing with it. He inquired to Rayn about whom he talked about only to do nothing with it. He's going through all the motions of 'scumhunting' without ever actually doing any scumhunting. When Koshi was getting lynched, he didn't really seem to care that people were switching over to me, only that he thought Koshi was the best lynch. He didn't say "Don't lynch Artanis! Koshi is the better lynch!" he just sat around and did nothing but make passing comments from the sidelines, which makes a lot of sense for a scum when there are no scum up for lynch.
He comments about LS (0 votes, 30 minutes before deadline):
On August 27 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
LS has approached this whole voting period very weirdly.
He mentions wanting to lynch artanis over 30 minutes ago but doesnt actually do it till damdred and rayn get on him.
He waffles around artanis after he says this
like he is being convinced by rayn.
It all seems really fake and he only did it after approval by other people.
LS has approached this whole voting period very weirdly.
He mentions wanting to lynch artanis over 30 minutes ago but doesnt actually do it till damdred and rayn get on him.
He waffles around artanis after he says this
like he is being convinced by rayn.
It all seems really fake and he only did it after approval by other people.
Which is rather ironic given he berated Rayn for going after ruXxar without doing much about it:
On August 27 2017 03:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
He hasnt posted anything useful the entire game.
Also like ruxxar, no one thinks he really needs to die day 1 so Im not gonna push him NOW.
You see, the problem is that its 36 minutes to the lynch, so finding mafia doesnt really help when you cant actually get enough people to lynch them.
He hasnt posted anything useful the entire game.
Also like ruxxar, no one thinks he really needs to die day 1 so Im not gonna push him NOW.
You see, the problem is that its 36 minutes to the lynch, so finding mafia doesnt really help when you cant actually get enough people to lynch them.
Another point he also used later to attack Rayn for no avail. Oats has no sense of priority which is not a town Oats.
Mafia
ruXxar - Ruxxy unfortunately is mafia, mainly due to TMI. Firstly, due to the way he responded to the Skynx thing. No one thought Skynx was solid town but him for his initial post. I thought it looked okay, but not more than a slight townlean. Everyone else thought it looked scummy or worse. He also never gives a read on Geript. And then, he has a solid townread on me when everyone and their mom is scumreading me. What the weirdest part to me is in this regard is that he questions me for my Damdred read after everything that was being discussed, then when day breaks doesn't even go into it and asks what the case on me is. He was there. The only reason I can think of is that he knows I'm town.
It also makes sense with Skynx, as he'd know Skynx was town given that there's not a world in which ruXxar and Skynx are both mafia. They don't both respond this way when the cop dies. There's also a bit of meta in this in that I know ruXxar has no fear as either alignment and will do crazy shit. I'm not convinced/sure that this is true for Skynx.
Again, sorry for playing pretty awful dudes. Don't WIFOM yourself and not lynch me, it needs to happen at some ponit this game. I'll quote this post at EoD on my phone if I'm done with capoeira tomorrow so that people can remember my reads after my flip. Just gonna relax the rest of the evening and spend it with Tina
but may check in to answer some questions if there are any.
