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On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi
For all the people who are suckers for a last will post let's go through this last will post.
- Skynx is town (but for some reason not higher that LS and Ruxxar).
- LS and Ruxxar are town but he is not sure (yeah so why they are higher than Skynx? -- i mean Artanis MUST have really strong read on Skynx when he laid off him like that when Skynx was up for lynch)
- Vivax/HF "idk"
- TW/Oats "idk"
- Damdred and Koshi mafia, nice but whatever anyone says neither of Damdred and Koshi can never ever be lynched in case Artanis gets lynched and flips mafia. So there is no harm in calling them mafia if he is mafia. Also Damdred is the towniest person in the game, regardless of Artanis' read on him he should always townread Damdred, that's a fact. He knows Damdred well wnough to know that.
Basically, last will list post says nothing.
Then this:
On August 27 2017 04:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First mislynch as town. Hope expectations for me will be lower next time. Gl guys 
Does this look like a townie post? To me it doesn't, at all.
HF gets a downgrade for the ridiculous accusation on people who voted for his scumread (he has always scumread Artanis, there is no reason for him not to) when Koshi flipped town. I do not think he should make that post as town, i don't understand any of it.
Vivax being afk doesn't really mean anything.
Oats probably scum because didn't try to push Tumblewood, when people tried doing anything that was not Koshi he went into "you can't do that". Cant lynch ruxxar, cant lynch Artanis, cant lynch cant lynch..... I understand wanting to lynch your scumread over someone else, but not listening and just calling everyone out who want to do something else in a way he did is scummy as fuck, especially since Koshi flipped town. It was not like he went "no, you are wrong and we should lynch Koshi instead", it was more like "i will yell at you and i will not allow you to do this". I also do not like his play at all, i can see where he is coming from but he isn't really trying to interact with anyone, he just points out random stuff on random people and comes to scome conclusion. There is no direction, just a lot of posting. does anyone even remember why he scumreads Tumblewood? Because i don't. That's not townie play, Oats knows better, having a scumread is only 20%, the rest of it is getting other people to realize the read and believe it, and that's not something Oats is doing.
geript still mafia.
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EBWOP:
regardless of Damdred's vote on him he should always townread Damdred, that's a fact.
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Here is the last post timestamp (from Koshi filter) what Artanis scumreads Koshi for:
August 25 2017 21:09 MSK
Here is this post:
On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey artanis, you happen to have any mafia reads? I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.
At this point Artanis has already all the information on geript and Koshi (the post where he calls geript mafia happened after every post he quoted on Koshi scumread). He calls geript mafia.
When Skynx is not anymore a realistic lynch, and he needs to switch, he switches to Koshi instead of geript. But at this point he needs to think geript is actually more scummy than Koshi is, geript is also at this point a realistic lynch choice.
Nobody who is smart can never ever think Koshi and geript are both mafia. Artanis is smart. The only reasons why he should ever vote Koshi here instead of geript are:
1) He is mafia with geript
2) He doesn't care to read and/or figure out which one of these two is in fact mafia (this is backed off by the earlier, he calls both mafia but isn't interested at all in actually reading them). Basically he has thought this almost all game, yet doesn't care to do anything about this in the first 3/4 of the day.
Neither of these make any sense as town. If you think there are 2 scummy people who cannot possibly be mafia together, you should always have an urge to figure out which one of your reads is wrong. Especially when they are your top scumreads and both of them basically voteleaders (aside from Skynx at the time).
What artanis did is is not townie, ever. Never.
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This is the votecount at the time, after Artanis' switch:
On August 26 2017 23:55 AMG wrote:Vote Count - Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Oatsmaster
- Holyflare (0) -
Vivax
- Skynx (2) - Vivax, Holyflare
- Koshi (3) - geript, ruXxar, Artanis[Xp]
- geript (3) - Koshi, Skynx, raynpelikoneet
- Artanis[Xp] (0) -
Holyflare
Non-voters (3): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood
Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched.
Deadline is in (at Saturday, Aug 26 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).
But this doesn't tell the whole truth. It is very easy to predict that i am going to vote for geript because i have been telling you, HF, that i don't really think Koshi is mafia. Artanis can very easily predict that, hell everyone should be able to predict that since i have made this post already:
On August 26 2017 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to take a break since i unfortunately feel like this game is 8v4 right now. 
Basically Artanis says he's gonna sheep me on either of them, and does the opposite he should 100% know i will do.
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Sorry this is the votecount:
On August 26 2017 23:55 AMG wrote:Vote Count - Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Oatsmaster
- Holyflare (0) -
Vivax
- Skynx (3) - Vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
- Koshi (3) - geript, ruXxar, Artanis[Xp]
- geript (2) - Koshi, Skynx
- Artanis[Xp] (0) -
Holyflare
Non-voters (3): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood
Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched.
Deadline is in (at Saturday, Aug 26 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).
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Vivax you need to explain the following thing:
This is how our conversation went:
On August 26 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 21:29 Skynx wrote:
I see how i constructed it horribly actually.
TW +1'ing was not true so what Koshi implied wasn't true so i said that's what i mean trying to imply the opposite was true as his basis was wrong. Koshi didn't ask whether TW +1d, he asked why ppl asking you to check his town games can't be mafia. This isn't about TW +1ing. You said that it's what you mean (that they can be mafia) after saying that they are town if Koshi is mafia. This really isn't about TW +1ing or not.
On August 26 2017 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
You said that it's what you mean (that they can be mafia) after saying that they are town if Koshi is mafia.
This really isn't about TW +1ing or not. He has already explained this.
On August 26 2017 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, he is saying he did not actually say "i think what Koshi says here is right", which is probably correct. In that light his thought process actually makes sense, regardless of how good or bad it is.
After this you just left the thread without ever returning.
This is what you're saying today:
On August 27 2017 08:32 Vivax wrote:
You lynched Koshi? Gratz.
I was expecting skynx to die 100 % when I posted the tomb stone. Instead you lynched the guy with the huge D1 filter for some bad reasons I kept pointing out.
No, there is no way you expected Skynx to get lynched when you left the thread.
I think you can be mafia too. Maybe i am wrong on Oats.
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On August 26 2017 21:01 Vivax wrote:
I'd settle for killing Ruxxar who sits in the sidelines occasionally sniping vulnerable posts as well and other reasons mentioned earlier. I think he's also mafia cause he doesn't sound as pants on head while being spammy as fuck like the last game I was in with him.
Also Oats, but his bad tunnel on me might have clouded my judgement.
Then Artanis for pretending to agree with the whole skynx issue then immediately starting to post a case on Koshi and laughing at skynx while doing it.
Then HF for a bit of paranoia and cause he's also after Koshi.
That should also be enough reads for skynx. The rest of the game is pretty much in at the very least a weak town pile. I still don't see how anything makes Koshi mafia besides for wanting to kill afkers at some point, and jokish posts where he claims scum.
"I thought Skynx was 100% getting lynched"...
Yeahhhhh right you did.
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scum pile:
Artanis
Vivax
maybe scum pile:
geript
Oatsmaster
Ignore pile:
Ruxxar
Just a pile:
Holyflare
town pile:
everyone else
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But always lynch Artanis first. Then everyone in the wagon is 98,2% town.
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I think Artanis did the classic Titanic-Vivax thing:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tFZrhQa.jpg)
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I don't believe you. Sure it is possible but i do not believe you.
During the time you had this "thought" you did:
On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.
Rescinding rayn townread.
Skynx townread then rayn not so town anymore.
Some arguing with Holyflare.
Ruxxar town read.
Some random things on Oats.
Scumread on geript. (note that all the stuff on Koshi has happened at this point).
Random things on Vivax.
More defending on Skynx.
Arguing with Holyflare (no conclusions).
Then, the read on Skynx.
On August 26 2017 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".
But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around. ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing. Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out.... It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought. Not really, no. I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this. I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something. Skynx literally just threw out a random thought there. I do that all the time. The fact that you're putting so much stock into this is ridiculous. See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process. On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say
It is very simple. Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y. No way. I am starting to come around to this. Need to read Skynx' filter.
Now before the actual scumread on Skynx (or where you say you need to read his filter, there is over 19 hours, and about 50% of your filter. You literally didn't do anything proactive during that time, you werent focused on Skynx because you didn't have a scumread on Skynx. Apparently your scumreads on geript and Koshi are from that time, yet you didn't do ANYTHING to get those reads out into the thread, and did basically EVERYTHING that was not getting those reads out into the thread.
Only when it started mattering, aka we are lynching one of those two people, you started caring, and even then you made a very irrational choice at that time.
So no, i don't believe your explanation.
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What i mean is, i don't care if you can make 1 post or 100 posts but when you make 50 and none of them are trying to get your scumread lynched you can't say "it's because i didn't have time" as it clearly is not where you used your time when you had time.
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Why did you even need the feel to defend yourself when nobody was even close to voting for you?
There is absolutely no reason to, especially since there were three people up for lynch at that point, all of them you hadn't apparently read properly.
I don't believe you feel the need to defend yourself at this point as town instead of finding who is mafia amongst them three. And you sure had time, i don't like where you used your time when you had it.
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On August 28 2017 01:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2017 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i mean is, i don't care if you can make 1 post or 100 posts but when you make 50 and none of them are trying to get your scumread lynched you can't say "it's because i didn't have time" as it clearly is not where you used your time when you had time. I also wasn't and still am not sure on my Geript scumread.
See here is the kicker.
You knew, that i heavily think geript is mafia. You promised to sheep me on what i want to do. If you have read any of my posts you knew that i don't actually think Koshi is mafia. There are many problems:
1) what i just said, you hadn't read any of those people
2) when you got out of Skynx being mafia, you chose to filter Koshi, decide he is mafia, and vote + afk (i dont care about the reasons but that's what you did).
You are still not sure if geript is mafia so you jsut randomly took one of those people, filtered him, and called him mafia. I am fucking terrible at explaining this but that's not what townies do, i would be okay if you just sheeped me on geript or even read geript instead of Koshi (as he was your top scumread at the time).
Basically you are ranking people above or below others while having absolutely no idea what they have posted, when you sheep, you dont sheep the people you said you would, and i think that makes you mafia.
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On August 28 2017 01:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I did not know that. I knew Koshi talked a lot about Geript being scum for a while, but I did not remember you going after Geript much at that moment in time. I filtered Koshi because he seemed the most scummy to me during my catchup and HF was talking a lot about him.
I will call this a lie.
I could not sheep you because you were voting Skynx whom I did not believe was mafia at that time, and that was the focus I was getting from you. I did not know who else you would vote.
I will call this a lie too and i have already explained it. And well, at that time you were WITH 100% CERTAINTY IN THE THREAD. There is absolutely no way after my post where i say "i believe this game is 8v4" you do not connect the dots that i think Skynx is not in fact mafia. No way.
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On August 26 2017 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:no geript is scum. look at his ruxxar read.
On August 26 2017 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx, Artanis, geript.
Final answer.
On August 26 2017 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What the fuck ever i am the parity cop i can never get a check off so idc. Either i am dead or jailed.
Like i really don't believe you saw the last post but not the one's above. They are ~10mins apart and you were in the thread at the time. The post are NEXT TO EACH OTHER in the thread and you are telling me you saw that i claimed a parity cop but you didn't know i scumread geript....
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On August 28 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats probably scum because didn't try to push Tumblewood, when people tried doing anything that was not Koshi he went into "you can't do that". Cant lynch ruxxar, cant lynch Artanis, cant lynch cant lynch..... I understand wanting to lynch your scumread over someone else, but not listening and just calling everyone out who want to do something else in a way he did is scummy as fuck, especially since Koshi flipped town. It was not like he went "no, you are wrong and we should lynch Koshi instead", it was more like "i will yell at you and i will not allow you to do this". I also do not like his play at all, i can see where he is coming from but he isn't really trying to interact with anyone, he just points out random stuff on random people and comes to scome conclusion. There is no direction, just a lot of posting. does anyone even remember why he scumreads Tumblewood? Because i don't. That's not townie play, Oats knows better, having a scumread is only 20%, the rest of it is getting other people to realize the read and believe it, and that's not something Oats is doing.
geript still mafia. Dude it wasnt "you cant lynch xxx", It was, you cant vote for xxx as one vote and then fuck off without doing anything to convince people that your choice was the right one. Which is exactly what you did with ruxxar.
Where did i "fuck off"??????????????
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Well that doesn't change my opinion on you.
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On August 28 2017 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And there weren't many opportunities to actually engage him since he was feeling shitty and was afk. On which topic, hope you feel better soon man :/
I think this might be TMI since i didn't know geript was feeling shitty and stuff before he 100% afk'd, which is not what we are talking about here.
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On August 28 2017 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2017 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 27 2017 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ruxxar right now this is a totally wasted vote. Bad rayn. If Koshi flips town you're mafia. Because you jsut said every single vote other than Koshi is a wasted vote. So better hope he will flip mafia. Er here? Where you did nothing? Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2017 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 27 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2017 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 27 2017 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ruxxar right now this is a totally wasted vote. Bad rayn. If Koshi flips town you're mafia. Because you jsut said every single vote other than Koshi is a wasted vote. So better hope he will flip mafia. There is no one that really wants to lynch Rux, he has one vote and you arent doing SHIT to convince anyone to move to rux. So its wasted. But i only care about finding mafia, not really convincing people lately. Looks like you did a heel of a job trying to convince people to lynch Tumblewood your super top scumread. I don't even fucking know why you think he is mafia...
That's a bad narrative Oats. You called me out of "afking" and telling basically we cant lynch ruxxar 7 minutes after i had placed my vote. If i was writing a case you cannot even know if i am doing that or not, you werent giving me a chance in your mind. That's what i am talking about. What happened doesnt matter.
The fact is i voted for ruxxar and you told people not to, because rayn doesnt even have a case even before you have given me a chance to write one. That's what i am talking about, about your mindset, and that's how i see it.
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