[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia

On August 14 2017 05:52 geript wrote:

Have you read your role pm?

On August 14 2017 06:03 geript wrote:

Do you have an alteration to my plan or see any issues with it?

On August 14 2017 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No i didn't, i said "the idea is the judges will nominate 2 ppl and the one they give the power so we have one dude noone is gonna vote." which is 2 lynch wagons instead of 3. It's not stupid, in fact it is so OP Artanis decided to remove it from the game.... That in itself should probably tell you something about if it is stupid or not...

Because me not giving reads doesn't make me anything. It is that fucking simple. I have until tomorrow night to decide who i think is mafia. Your read on ritoky is also garbage because the Jealous thing was obviously at least a half joke and "he got mad over being a clock in someone's picture" is a terrible reason to call anyone mafia. In fact ritoky's, what to call it... un-tryhardness probably makes him town. geript can also be town for now since he tried to break the game.

Cake always thinks i am mafia when she is town so i don't see a reason why she wouldn't do that as mafia. It's actually quite annoying especially when the reasoning is something she didn't even properly read in the first place. It's like Xatalos annoying. For the record there are probably 0 games where Cake has read the OP as any alignment so there goes that dumbtell theory, i don't even know what the Jealous one is.

I agree with whoever said Jealous should post properly. I don't care if he is posting reads in the pictures, posting reads doesn't make people town, because almost any mafia nowadays is not stupid enough to not post reads or do anything and get caught by it. At least i can't figure out motivation of post from a picture in a same way than i can from written text, and i would like him to play properly.

Then there is Tumblewood who started questioning Cake (which i liked) and then ended up with "well i didn't even think that makes you anything" which i hated. Into "let's be town everyone" post. I have seen Tumblewood do the same sort of questioning before and it didn't end like that. rn i am too lazy and sleepy to dig up more into that, gotta eat and sleep first.

I almost have a read on Hopelesswonder but i don't. I most likely will though when he posts more.

You can be anything and i tend to not really care unless you do something scummy. You will probably die early anyways in case you are town. But you won't bully me into doing something i don't want to do, I will talk to you when you have something i don't find badly reasoned.

Everyone else has not done anything i can make something of.

On August 15 2017 04:39 Hopeless1der wrote:



btw this is super nitpicky, but I found the phrasing of this weird since at the time, 1/2 posts was literally my /in to the game.

On August 15 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
I'm pretty sure (can't be bothered to ask) that when someone gets the power up they can use it that same night otherwise it's stupid.

On August 15 2017 05:07 Holyflare wrote:


Judges pick 3 ppl at the night phase and we vote who gets power up in first 24 hours of the day cycle. The subsequent night is likely the night straight away.

On August 15 2017 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote:

Wait do they have a static 1-use RB all game or only if they win?

On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:

rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?

On August 15 2017 07:57 Hopeless1der wrote:



So Cake,

Onegu and Rels arent scum nor should they die?

because I'm willing to kill them by virtue of not doing anything. Not because Onegu bitches about all the NAI things or that Rels filter is literally empty...no wait that last one is EXACTLY why I want to lynch them. Theres nothing there.

On August 15 2017 08:57 Damdred wrote:


You know who else is interestingly uninteresting conversion.

His post about tw lacks a real conclussion, just a bit of throwing shade and a bit of a metaish defense. Just seems like light pushing without actually doing anything.

And he's really safe talking some about mechanics but does have a good question to rayn. But no real opinion on rayn in that regard.

It's interesting but kinda short still.

On August 15 2017 09:40 Damdred wrote:


I'sure this is you talking about tw here conversion

On August 15 2017 09:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
@conversion:

You're quick to call me out, but did you stop to wonder why I asked FF about his read? As far as I can tell, no you did not. What gives?

On August 15 2017 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion i am curious; why did you decide to "call me out" for making a read based on only couple of posts, and not anyone else who have done the same thing?

On August 15 2017 21:43 Holyflare wrote:


So I'm town the :D :D

Why hopeless?

On August 15 2017 21:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
well screw your apathy and screw your martyrdom. Gonna shoot you instead of the lurkers when I get my gun conversion.

On August 15 2017 21:45 Conversion wrote:


I'm reading his filter and honestly his pushes seem weak at best and forced. deflects my question (like if ur a good town all u have to do is answer me and wave me off, it's not hard).

nothing in his filter screams I AM TOWN and screams I AM MAFIA TRYING HARD

not going to overwhelmingly call him scum b/c I misread town play as scum (see: newbie mafia) so someone can convince me that's not the case if they want to

On August 15 2017 21:45 Conversion wrote:


OK why you would shoot me instead of lynching me is beyond me but waste your vig gun on a town for all I care

On August 15 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote:
Like what kind of scum read is Holyflare if he lives past n1 (when i sometimes do) and also why is it scummy to push someone who is self reportedly playing like shit?

On August 15 2017 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care about changing your opinion. I want to know the thought process behind your biggest scum read being a town read if he dies????

Like it's not a scum read at all. It's not "he's done scummy things" it's just an if he doesn't die he's mafia.

What's your read on rayn and why is it not mafia?

On August 15 2017 11:07 CopCake wrote:



Like he doesn't care

also pls give rayn some time :/

This comes from someone that talks to him everyday, I know he had a shitty day and got almost not sleep.

On August 15 2017 22:10 Holyflare wrote:


I'm a scum read but only if I don't die and also push you. So if I don't push you anymore I'm not scum? There's no reason behind this other than "hf pushed me when I know I'm playing bad"???

On August 15 2017 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What was the list Hopeless gave?
Why weren't you interested in let's say Cake's read on me that i am mafia based on 2 posts?

On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:

rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?

On August 15 2017 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hopeless gave that list after you called me out. How did you know about the list before he posted it as it is part of your reasoning now?
My read on him was posted: Aug 14 16:57 MSK
His list was posted: Aug 15 01:31 MSK

Why are you saying you treated me and him in the same way when you couldn't possibly have done so at the time?

On August 15 2017 22:49 Conversion wrote:


when in the fuck did I call you out?

I asked you for clarification, then asked the thread about your meta

??????????????????

On August 15 2017 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You called me out 9 hours before Hopeless posted his list you now say was the "other thing" that you found relevant, here:


I am asking you, why did you only find my read on Hopeless relevant at that time. Other people did the same thing, even if i made a list post you ONLY took one thing from the post and clinged to it, instead of saying anything about it. So i think you found that relevant to SOMETHING, and if it is not scummy, i don't see a reason why you should ask about it.

Instead of giving me an answer into my question; "what separates me from other people who have made same kind of reads before me", you decide to make Hopeless part of it, and not only him, but a post that he made 9 hours AFTER you made the original observation.

I think you are mafia because at the time there were already people calling me mafia and you ACTUALLY did the thing where you called someone mafia without calling him mafia (aka question some random shit so you can later on say "see i was suspicious already at this point"). Also what you are saying now has to be a lie, because i can prove it with timestamps and Hopeless had not at the time made ANY list at all, he had posted exactly once at the time.

On August 15 2017 22:54 Conversion wrote:
so by your logic your read should be fucking confidently and solid beyond all reason and doubt in your head.

100% is he scum or town

On August 15 2017 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
Conversion you seem strongly opposed to anyone arguing with you. Like you go way off the rails when anyone says something you disagree with. I'm fine with bitching at rayn right now, but as a general statement your gameplay sucks something fierce

On August 15 2017 23:19 Hopeless1der wrote:

nothing to this game specifically. I'm just saying, your choice of playstyle makes the game unsavory and I doubt you enjoy needing to rage too.

On August 15 2017 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I thought you were possibly mafia because how you started the game was a random offhand "dickish/sarcastic" comment. Just like here. I wanted to see if you kept up without saying anything, just as i remember (in case you're mafia), OR if you actually start doing something. Like this:

This is something i remember, and your posting AFTER your first post totally goes in line with the opposite behavior than this is makes you town. You also have like 5 page filter in this game which i don't think you would as mafia. If you're mafia i congratulate you for totally breaking your meta, but i don't think that's the case, especially since i think people who were under fire early on are not mafia.

On August 15 2017 23:37 CopCake wrote:
I wanna lynch Onegu

On August 16 2017 00:37 CopCake wrote:


Because he is super smart and shit and is supposed to have done something by now and complained a lot about game mechanics and drawings.

The other person I would lynch is Ritoki but most people would find my logic (dumb) idk someone who would get that mad for being a fucking clock, like to me it looked like arrogant.

And I dont care what you think, I mean I understand you have many reasons to lynch me (missreading Hopeless several times, asking for rayn to buy time) but I think that would clear how I act in future games (if I play) most games here I have been scum and I havent played in a LONG time in this site, I started again in the cccp mafia.

If I have my ways to read people those are my ways, I dont need to use a general filter but my experience with said player.

On August 16 2017 02:10 CopCake wrote:
That angry rayn is so town ._. But I am alone in that

On August 16 2017 02:20 Tumblewood wrote:

if he continues to be totally afk we let the mods handle it. otherwise we make him do stuff and if he doesn't by d2 we lynch him.
same goes for onegu, ish. he said he wasn't playing because he didn't get to vote, and then he hasn't come back when he does get to vote. but i fully expect he will come back tomorrow and make like 5 posts and fuck off again, regardless of alignment.

On August 16 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm in tumbleweeds filter and i don't think he's mafia. Not enough to call him solid town but u know

I think rayns martyring is scummy outside anything else that's been said about him.

I still think HF is town.

I dislike jealous' all paint style but I guess he's towny enough.

Has copcake done anything since being nominated? I can't remember anything of substance I will look at her filter.

I think I remember agreeing with damdred that conversion has made himself look more towny. After a cursory look at his filter i am satisfied

I need scumreads someone tell me a filter to dive

On August 16 2017 03:09 CopCake wrote:


I guess this is the question

I havent played with Rels in a looooooonnnnnggggg time, and I think it was only on voicemafia if I did. Last game he was scum and hided in a very friendly attitude and after night 1 with 3 townie killed he said "I feel depressed" and dissapeared. Apparently his meta is not to be here on day 1 but I wonder if he actually knows the game started because it has been more than 24 hrs he hasnt been here.

Hell he could even forgot the game is here, I honestly doubt someone like Rels would ignore the game on purpouse as mafia because I consider him to be honorable regardles of aligment.

On August 16 2017 04:29 CopCake wrote:
i dont like HF he said that I couldnt be mafia just because I asked for time for rayn then he asks me why I feel like a sheep walking with wolves and asked me for quotes, a quote he knows it exists because he quoted himself but apparently I am mafia because one person said that I was for said quote and not several.

On August 16 2017 04:43 ritoky wrote:
holy shit conversion has a 4 page filter and i remember like none of it LOL

On August 16 2017 04:45 Damdred wrote:
What did you figure out conversion from questioning cake?

On August 16 2017 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

holy shit Holyflare had 7 page filter, it must mean he is town like the one page filter dude must be mafia!

On August 16 2017 04:45 ritoky wrote:
make a deal to read eachother's filters and post a read after?

On August 16 2017 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I will say i was shit in case i am wrong but i am not.
You can think otherwise, you can want to lynch me, you can want to lycnh whoever you want. But if you don't lynch HF D1 or D2 you will lose. If you are town that is.

Don't tell me to go choke on a bag of dicks, because you can be fucking sure you will get that bag thrown at your face, i promise you that. I dont care if i am modkilled, i wil just throw it and make sure it hurts, so do not try me, same as Hopeless. I am not in the mood rn...

On August 16 2017 05:44 ritoky wrote:


? could you do what you said you were doing and give a read on my filter or respond to my questions about yours first?

On August 15 2017 05:39 ritoky wrote:
my top 3 would have always had hopeless and geript.

On August 16 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote:


I am interested in which posts made you think this and why.

Also why rels as the subject of afk discussion but not 1gu? Did you feel like people were deflecting off of rels or uncharacteristically avoiding him compared to gu?

Also, I don't have a distinct impression of who you think is town from your filter, so who is town?

On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:

rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?

On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:

well get me lynched then bro.

On August 16 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm in tumbleweeds filter and i don't think he's mafia. Not enough to call him solid town but u know

I think rayns martyring is scummy outside anything else that's been said about him.

I still think HF is town.

I dislike jealous' all paint style but I guess he's towny enough.

Has copcake done anything since being nominated? I can't remember anything of substance I will look at her filter.

I think I remember agreeing with damdred that conversion has made himself look more towny. After a cursory look at his filter i am satisfied

I need scumreads someone tell me a filter to dive

On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:


You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.

On August 16 2017 21:27 geript wrote:

Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal.

On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.

On August 16 2017 21:21 geript wrote:
@Conversion. Start with this post from Hopeless and tell me what sticks out and why.

On August 15 2017 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

I never said I believed it was true, just more likely than the other thing

On August 16 2017 04:48 Conversion wrote:


honestly when cake answers my questions the play itself seems fine

everything outside of it is confusing me though (like I never called her mafia, never insinuated it, never directly stated it). the only two people I ever remotely called scum were HF and hopeless, and I pushed rayn pretty hard after I came back and dropped that

the logical disconnect && bad memory seems like a byproduct of being at work and not communicating exactly what she(?) tries to mean. that doesn't seem like a scum play? she also did this a bit in CCCP

more town than not. I was meh about her answer on Rels, but I don't disagree with it

On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote:
Quick catch-up post:

1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in.

2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this:

1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1.

2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn.

I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified.

Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).

3.@geript: Thank you!

On August 17 2017 00:43 Jealous wrote:

You have to be pushing the game forward of your own volition, not merely sitting and waiting for people to notice you and ask you questions. Maybe then people will say that you have done something, or you could have a better filter to fall back on. Simply sitting back, only providing the minimum asked, and claiming to be forgetful while not looking at filters are all bad play if not at least slightly scummy.

On August 17 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Has hopeless posted a single bit of content today?

On August 17 2017 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote:

Oh my bad.

I'm town.

Better now?

On August 17 2017 04:39 Conversion wrote:


really? you realize that my vote is on FF, that I've said FF is worse than you in terms of activity, and that this quote was recapping the past 8 hours or whatever

On August 16 2017 22:35 Conversion wrote:
I'm still leaning towards lynching FF over hopeless atm unless FF actually does something

On August 17 2017 05:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man i have so much work right now. If I get lynched sorry for being a shitter but damdred is scum and conversion is giving me bad vibes again and i think we should examine the possibility that all 3 lynch targets are town

On August 17 2017 00:36 Conversion wrote:
hopeless are you reads on the other two in your pool still the same?

On August 17 2017 05:47 CopCake wrote:
👎🏻

You asked who called me mafia and I did then you asked me who called me mafia and one of my comments was they hopeless was playing with the idea of me being mafia because I protected rayn, you asked me for the quote but it ended up it was conversion.

Did cake answer HF who called her mafia? Yes

Did cake quoted who called her mafia for protecting rayn? Yes

On August 16 2017 04:41 Conversion wrote:


for the record I never scumread you for that

what is it with both you and rayn taking my words way out of line and thinking I'm attacking you? the question wasn't even addressed to you, nor was I saying copcake = scum for defending rayn. it was a question of logic that HF quickly dismissed (cop can be scum, but not for the reason you pointed out)

On August 16 2017 04:48 Conversion wrote:


honestly when cake answers my questions the play itself seems fine

everything outside of it is confusing me though (like I never called her mafia, never insinuated it, never directly stated it). the only two people I ever remotely called scum were HF and hopeless, and I pushed rayn pretty hard after I came back and dropped that

the logical disconnect && bad memory seems like a byproduct of being at work and not communicating exactly what she(?) tries to mean. that doesn't seem like a scum play? she also did this a bit in CCCP

more town than not. I was meh about her answer on Rels, but I don't disagree with it

On August 17 2017 06:03 CopCake wrote:


Yeah it was a missunderstood but it still doesnt change the fact that I ANSWERED a super mean angry person all his fucking questions.

On August 17 2017 21:57 Conversion wrote:
TBH I don't think any of that pool was overwhelmingly mafia, my case on him earlier was just responding to ritoky asking me why I felt that way at that point in the game

both of them gave pretty shitty answers, FF just looked worse because he wanted to pop in and give me a cheeky ass answer while hopeless just lul voteswitched. also no one was giving input, so I didn't want to escalate another shitfest like I did with rayn earlier

On August 16 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote:


I am interested in which posts made you think this and why.

Also why rels as the subject of afk discussion but not 1gu? Did you feel like people were deflecting off of rels or uncharacteristically avoiding him compared to gu?

Also, I don't have a distinct impression of who you think is town from your filter, so who is town?

On August 17 2017 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like look at this. Then i am the worst lynch because "wagon formed too quickly"....

On August 17 2017 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
Don't sheep reads.

I sheeped hf's read on you.

:D

On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad.

On August 17 2017 13:53 Jealous wrote:

Okay so first I'll explain my thought process reading the relevant posts, and I'll post a conclusion after I'm done.

Looking at this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1445



I'm guessing the implication here is that TW was trying to appear more townie because he already knew what the outcome of lynching FF would be.



One has to keep in mind that this is in response to this TW post:

+ Show Spoiler +

Which was made four hours before the Day 1 Eliminations were posted: I also don't see any mention of FF in there.

+ Show Spoiler +

Is geript implying that TW was trying to raise H1's scum value and raise FF's townie value? I guess I can see that from a scum perspective, but I think it's NAI. Plenty of people have been giving relatively unexplained reads and changes in those reads based on vague one-liners. If every person who did that in this game was scum, there would be like 0 town players in this game lol. And again, FF was not mentioned in the post that geript was referencing.

Moving on, I agree with geript that TW's CopCake post was bad. I also called him out on it, and after a brief back-and-forth he stopped answering me on that subject in particular, here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=53#1058

Then he picked it back up later:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=55#1090

I respond to this, and he doesn't respond once again. So yea, not a good track record. I would think that my posts would deserve at least an "Oh, ok," or something of that nature. From what I'm seeing here, I'm not seeing even that.

In response to this post by geript:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1448

I do agree with geript that the timing of TW's "filter analysis" is suspect. That is something that might get missed if someone isn't careful when they look at TW's filter, especially in the short-term when it now says "8 hours ago" or whatever. So, that's a good catch and definitely more worthwhile than that other argument that centered around timing, which was just bad in all directions imo (though I appreciated the sentiment from H1).

I just don't understand why TW would claim to filter dive then come back so soon afterwards with those conclusions in a logical townie TW universe. He's not an idiot.

I also agree with geript's analysis of what TW's options were, but I feel like I'm not appreciating the full impact of that argument; what are the conclusions in this case? As in, TW is scum because... He lied about reading filters? What did he gain from this lie, if we assume that it was a 3 town lynch pool? I guess the implication would have to be that it's not a 3 town lynch pool - in which case, the narrative being pushed is that TW was trying to distance himself from H1 and buddybuddy with FF/rayn. Which means... TW + H1 team?

Conclusion: I do agree with a lot of geript's analysis; I will have to revisit my H1 read to see how much I can agree with the universe that is being created as a result, if I understood it correctly. Perhaps geript can clarify for me if my analysis of her argument is correct. I did have a strong H1 town read, but that was quite some time ago; however, I don't recall seeing anything scummy from H1 recently.

In short: Potentially plausible, need more feedback to be sure and need to do more research in the morning to confirm.

On August 18 2017 01:03 Jealous wrote:





Thanks.

On August 18 2017 02:01 Eversince wrote:
@Damd,

New mess that will escalate way past in the time I write this post but w/e.

Rels: He can go to slightly mafia. I gave him a free pass because of last game. He has proven to be staying at least up to date with the thread though so why is he just lurking? Using a known townie playstyle as town to fuck off and afk D1 I can accept. Trash I think but fine. But using a townie playstyle to coast by lurking is super dirty. Like usually he's mia for a long time, comes back with a long winded short vr of the entire player list. He obviously could of done that by now but he hasn't.

CC: Moved to null. Snippy attitude is just preventing her from being productive. She seems standoffish. I don't see a reason for it. Not lynch material but I'm hoping for more.

TW: Not going to reiterate other peoples words. They said them. I agree with them. Would lynch.

HF: Can go to slightly town. Outside of my skeptical bias I think his abrasive playstyle is just that. Regardless of his alignment. And aside from the early mess he has been mostly on point. Could be good mafia play but right now there is just a lot of other options I'd put ahead of him. So for my own piece of mind I'm going to do this for now so I can worry on other things.

Jealous: He seems kind of lost atm? I don't like the HF speculation because I find it kind of pointless. I'm still think he's probably town though. Why would he put in the work to derail any progress on purpose as mafia? I'll keep it in mind but as long as he gets back on track D2 no worries.

Hope: I don't think he's done much other than agree with TW case, call for a gun, and now this big nasty waste of 4-5 pg of space dominated by a pointless mechanics discussion. I think this whole thing is fishy as fuck considering "I can sort of accept that, but your not out of you" so take your read and drop it. But that's not what we got at all.

Rayn: I liked Rayn catching up but this second fight about nothing makes me super nervous. #2 bout that I personally think is an entirely pointless agrument to be dragging out. but it being night I'm wait until tomorrow and see how he handles his reads then. Can stay at null for right now.

Damd: I feel like you haven't done much else still. I didn't like your position yesterday, I didn't like how you criticized my reads when we get no clear indication of how yours develop, and you haven't done much to change any of that. It's like you're turning in math homework with all the answers filled in but none of the work. We have no idea how you got there. Which could be mafia driven I think but I can see lost or lazy town possibility in it aswell. Not in my immediate lynch pool but definitely in my slightly mafia bracket.

Rit can get moved into slight mafia bracket too. Missing the vote is not un-heard of but since the only vivid thing I can remember is way early in the game being mad about being a clock. If Ritz is trying to blend into the background and be ignored, doing especially well.

On August 17 2017 22:51 Conversion wrote:
@Jealous



why did you end up never doing anything you mentioned and left your vote parked on rayn?

On August 17 2017 22:54 Conversion wrote:
also your gun post was bad for reasons mentioned by geript, and then you leave us this little gem



tl;dr you could have typed "I agree with geript's analysis" and you would save every town time in reading this big post of nothing, and ended with the same "I need to revisit Hopeless' filter," which you said you'd do since yesterday

soo.. why aren't you doing anything? you're clearly around.

On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote:
updated list

town
1der
cake
rit
rayn
conv

don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure
hf

the mafia should all be in here
jealous
geript
es
damdred
rels

On August 18 2017 10:49 geript wrote:

You referring to the latched on thing?

On August 19 2017 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:

game slowed down, but you have no comment on copcakes wall of tinfoil?!

Like, neither do I but I'm actively ignoring it because she called me scum.

good post bro, top tier.

On August 18 2017 04:24 ritoky wrote:
i'd lynch damdred.

On August 18 2017 05:01 ritoky wrote:
naw rayn, damdred is mafia so your list is wrong.

On August 18 2017 23:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'll probably read through your case properly tonight and try to see if jealous is actually scum because...I'm concerned the judges could be swayed enough to not put TW up for lynch and that would be tragic.

On August 18 2017 01:40 Jealous wrote:
To answer people's concerns about me being 50/50 in my posts, the reason why I do this is because I believe that committing to a read and then looking at all consequent posts through that filter makes for biased play. Especially in the first few days, I'd rather discuss what happened objectively and use that to shape my opinion, not make an opinion and then discuss based on that. I hate it when people put out one liner reads early in the game en masse like Damdred did. I also can't partake in any of the meta because in the long and illustrious history of players like rayn and HF, I am sure they can dig up whatever they want to prove/disprove anything they claim about the other, and also because I have no point of reference in that regard. So, that being said, I don't see how it's unexpected that a player who is unfamiliar with the rest of the population, has 0 meta, and is a relative scrub is making long posts that are trying to explain their thinking process. I'm trying to get better at this as I'm doing it, so I explain my rationale from start to finish. Then I get scumread for it? Whatever.

I appreciate people like geript explaining things clearly and also answering my posts, even if they don't make sense because of meta or because I didn't think things through in a civil manner. But apparently what flies here is 1. shit up the thread 2. make one line read posts like "xx is scum," or "give me a gun," etc. 3. use meta like it's the gold standard. 4. make unsubstantiated lists. The newbie mafia game(s?) I played were much more civil, interesting, and entertaining than this. So without further ado:

geript
HF, fuck it, I'll put my faith in my gut since apparently him lying habitually is NAI
I understand Ever's position, having to catch up with the thread, and their posts so far have made sense to me so townlean.
H1 going to carry over some of the towniness from earlier in the game but he hasn't do anything to impress me recently and this recent shit rubs me the wrong way

CopCake is still a mystery

Rayn has been playing in a way that I can't disenfranchise my feelings from my reads and he shitposts too much, so I'd be fine with him just not being here anymore. Unfortunately that doesn't make me scumread him because he still has made some decent posts and ultimately this post in his spat with H1:



I would probably think the same thing.

Rels I have no clue because I have no meta and he hasn't posted, so natural scumlean

Conversion - I didn't like his posts earlier in the game, then he kinda started posting better, then he apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that

Damdred
ritoky
TW


Fuck it. See y'all tonight.

On August 19 2017 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

You have no comment on copcakes extended tinfoiling?

On August 19 2017 01:21 Tumblewood wrote:

he is so convinced on such bad points that he can only be town. when mafia attack someone they try to have good reasons, and if they don't they almost always back down from a terrible read. and 1der doesn't, he doubles down. (same goes for copcake)

On August 19 2017 01:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

cop is the one spurring me to do this because theres been like 3 pages dedicated to how cop believes jealous is scum and NOTHING ELSE.

but....gaem daed rite>

You've just made my kill list. grats.

On August 19 2017 03:26 Jealous wrote:
Yea... As I pointed out... I must have made a mistake/misread something in between the four filters I had up. Hence my saying that it made no sense. Thanks for pointing out what I already pointed out, and then waving off every other pertinent point. Good work detective.

On August 19 2017 03:43 CopCake wrote:


What do you think of his interactions with Hopeless?

On August 19 2017 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
Can we vote all 3?

On August 19 2017 05:53 Jealous wrote:


I'm about to leave to catch my plane so I won't be available for quite some time, so in the meantime I just want to make it clear that if I get lynched, look into these two first. And Conversion.

On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad.

On August 16 2017 13:34 Jealous wrote:

Earlier on I didn't like his play. I would have to look at the filter to point out specifically what. Later on I started to like his play more despite not agreeing with the things he was saying/concluding. I'll go into more detail on him tomorrow after FF/H1. I honestly probably won't have time to do any of that because exam is in 12 hours and I still have to study and sleep so after the exam I will have about 2 hours to at least do FF/H1 before the cycle ends and then I can do Conversion after that. Stay tuned! Sorry for the lack of paint and my upcoming brief absence.

On August 17 2017 00:43 Jealous wrote:

You have to be pushing the game forward of your own volition, not merely sitting and waiting for people to notice you and ask you questions. Maybe then people will say that you have done something, or you could have a better filter to fall back on. Simply sitting back, only providing the minimum asked, and claiming to be forgetful while not looking at filters are all bad play if not at least slightly scummy.

On August 19 2017 06:05 geript wrote:

@Conversion

On August 19 2017 06:33 geript wrote:

I don't think I'm busy is a lame excuse. I've found that far more often than not people are honest about their schedule/time constraints. The other reasons you have are meh.

On August 19 2017 07:00 geript wrote:

Sure, but unless you think Hopeless is scum, where Jealous (or anyone really) put their votes on D1 is irrelevant. Like the only reason I've responded to Copcake's shit is because I don't want her dumb shit to spread. Like, compare Jealous to ritoky even. Ritoky hasn't given a shit all game and has been quite explicit about that. Jealous has; more importantly, he's cared at points when it's easy as Town to afk (N1). Sure his contributions during N1 were pretty shitty, but I think the fact that as a brand new player (I assume but I'm pretty sure is true) he cares and is thinking at those points is a point in his favor imo. It's a weak point but not worth ignoring.

On August 19 2017 07:03 geript wrote:
Like, I kinda think that after playing this game a bit that we should be voting for who is the least likely to be scum for the power-up and who is the least likely to be Town for the lynch. Quite honestly, I haven't seen a single reason to think Rels is Town. That alone should be a strong reason to lynch him over Jealous.

On August 19 2017 06:23 Conversion wrote:
with that said he's still playing the game somewhat so I'm less inclined to lynch him over Rels or ritoky in this exact moment

On August 19 2017 07:06 Jealous wrote:

Please stop with the misrep, it's getting comical.

Answer to all your other questions was in my filter, as you said, but since you have this misrep tendency I quoted them for you as well as answered your query here.

Does no one else see this crap?

Conversion: why didn't you do what you promised
- it's in the filter -
Converstion: why did you park on rayn
- it's in the filter -
Conversion: show me where I do this latch on behavior and don't read filters while cherry picking
- make detailed posts with self-contained examples throughout the majority of the game -
Conversion: wow way to make a post explaining why you scum lean me instead of answering my questions. Jealous posting is really suspect.

?????

Looooolllll I'm done

On August 19 2017 05:53 Jealous wrote:


I'm about to leave to catch my plane so I won't be available for quite some time, so in the meantime I just want to make it clear that if I get lynched, look into these two first. And Conversion.

On August 19 2017 08:44 Eversince wrote:
... .. ... .. . I want to say as nicely as I can.

Why the fuck can town not lynch most scum on it's mind? Why can town not decide who it wants to lynch/save?! Why is this whole game up to 3 people until fucking lylo and why the hell did I sign up for it.

Fuck figuring this out. I think Rels is mafia. I'll proceed to afk for the next 20 something hours because my opinion doesn't matter.

On August 19 2017 09:39 Jealous wrote:

After you and copcake spent the time I was afk to build cases against me and put me in scum pile, I should just not respond? And not give a read that I got out of the process? K noted.

In the meantime, calm down kid.

/ignore

On August 20 2017 02:04 CopCake wrote:
Besides I asked if it is exam for America and Vacations.

People start school next week.

On August 20 2017 04:34 CopCake wrote:


WTF? i was ALONE with my Jelaous is mafia read, do you even read filters? i even fought HF telling him I an on jelaous. I NEVER BUSSED, I asked the JUDGES to put Jelaous on the lynch pile

On August 20 2017 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
When I subscribe to that world I have to look into:

A) people that's didn't give a shit about either wagon
B) people intentionally driving confusion

People that didn't particularly care: geript/eversince

People spreading confusion: tumblewood/rayn/conversion

Conversion is an odd fellow. If you read today you'd see a shit fest between himseld and jealous and just outright calling him mafia but he ends up on rels and doesn't say much more about anything after that. If they're both town then that's the ideal strat. Leaves both wagons open.

Rayn confusion 101 in that he had 0 reason to not vote rels. He was setting up to switch off rels before rels even posted. I even prophesied that he was going to vote jealous and he did. His whole interaction with myself/rels is so bogus.

Tumblewood just posted nonsense about mechanics and questioning why I'm not dead and other drivel? Dude doesn't give a shit about this game but still pretends to be invested.

On August 20 2017 13:58 CopCake wrote:
Conclusion: Conversion is mafia

On August 20 2017 14:28 CopCake wrote:


Read post above.

On August 20 2017 14:31 CopCake wrote:


Why didnt you vote jelaous? Why did you went with rels? Why did you find ritoki mafia? You never played with the idea that town could be afking for real?

On August 20 2017 14:35 CopCake wrote:
Who are mafia to you and why?

On August 21 2017 06:44 CopCake wrote:


Explain

On August 21 2017 07:30 geript wrote:

You don't like me posting things that make people likely scum? Please go on.

On August 21 2017 07:33 ritoky wrote:


so who would be your lynch pool today, and maybe 1 sentence (or more if you want) on why for each?

On August 21 2017 07:45 geript wrote:

So what don't you like about what I've been posting? You're like 1 of 4 or 5 people who can be scum. Do you disagree with HF/Ritoky being Town? Do you disagree with Jealous being Town as an extension of that? Do you disagree with me pushing good stuff all game? Do you disagree with Rayn being mod confirmed? Do you disagree with Hopeless likely being Town?

HF being scum literally makes zero sense. Between his play, the number of people he would have to be scum with simultaneously, and the no kill. The only person who I think is even possible to argue about is Rayn. So again, what's bad about what I've posted?