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On August 17 2017 22:51 Conversion wrote:@Jealous Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad. why did you end up never doing anything you mentioned and left your vote parked on rayn?
On August 16 2017 11:30 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 11:18 CopCake wrote:
I know the Euro people are sleeping but where are the american pride people? Finishing a paper and preparing to study for an exam I have tomorrow. I might have to put off any megaposts about FF and H1 until after I finish doing those things. I will make brief summaries though.
On August 17 2017 05:03 Jealous wrote:
Something came up - won't be back until evening. Sorry all.
Thanks.
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What a shit show. I expected more from you H1. Rayn, not so much, but still.
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H1, 1-10, how drunk/fucked up are you right now?
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On August 18 2017 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:18 Jealous wrote:
What a shit show. I expected more from you H1. Rayn, not so much, but still. well you're mafia so i don't care about what you think. go on licking up hf's ass.
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To answer people's concerns about me being 50/50 in my posts, the reason why I do this is because I believe that committing to a read and then looking at all consequent posts through that filter makes for biased play. Especially in the first few days, I'd rather discuss what happened objectively and use that to shape my opinion, not make an opinion and then discuss based on that. I hate it when people put out one liner reads early in the game en masse like Damdred did. I also can't partake in any of the meta because in the long and illustrious history of players like rayn and HF, I am sure they can dig up whatever they want to prove/disprove anything they claim about the other, and also because I have no point of reference in that regard. So, that being said, I don't see how it's unexpected that a player who is unfamiliar with the rest of the population, has 0 meta, and is a relative scrub is making long posts that are trying to explain their thinking process. I'm trying to get better at this as I'm doing it, so I explain my rationale from start to finish. Then I get scumread for it? Whatever.
I appreciate people like geript explaining things clearly and also answering my posts, even if they don't make sense because of meta or because I didn't think things through in a civil manner. But apparently what flies here is 1. shit up the thread 2. make one line read posts like "xx is scum," or "give me a gun," etc. 3. use meta like it's the gold standard. 4. make unsubstantiated lists. The newbie mafia game(s?) I played were much more civil, interesting, and entertaining than this. So without further ado:
geript
HF, fuck it, I'll put my faith in my gut since apparently him lying habitually is NAI
I understand Ever's position, having to catch up with the thread, and their posts so far have made sense to me so townlean.
H1 going to carry over some of the towniness from earlier in the game but he hasn't do anything to impress me recently and this recent shit rubs me the wrong way
CopCake is still a mystery
Rayn has been playing in a way that I can't disenfranchise my feelings from my reads and he shitposts too much, so I'd be fine with him just not being here anymore. Unfortunately that doesn't make me scumread him because he still has made some decent posts and ultimately this post in his spat with H1:
On August 18 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any".
I would probably think the same thing.
Rels I have no clue because I have no meta and he hasn't posted, so natural scumlean
Conversion - I didn't like his posts earlier in the game, then he kinda started posting better, then he apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that
Damdred
ritoky
TW
Fuck it. See y'all tonight.
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I just came here to paint some pictures. I think I'll go back to doing that now that I have more free time starting tonight, because I'll probably be on mobile/relatively busy all weekend and will be forced to use text.
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Frankly this case is not good and you either didn't read the whole filter or you have poor reading comprehension, or both. Most of your points, I had already been asked about and had addressed in the past, such as some of your hot facts like the fact that I thought it would be a good idea to not blindly townread you/HF but that I still recognized that you were the two most townread people in the game, or the fact that you think my H1 read came from nowhere when it really didn't, or the fact that I analyzed the HF/gun situation because that was the only work I could do without a computer or internet - analyze the situation, etc.
So yea, just standard CopCake stuff.
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@Conversion: My apologies for not wanting to dive into filters and make complicated quote posts off of mobile, thanks for your understanding.
Original argument: Conversion doesn't read full filters, finds something to latch onto, publishes it as if it's fact.
Conversion's counterargument: prove it bish I only talked to you like 2 times lmao
My response: I wasn't talking just about myself. Here we go
On August 15 2017 09:13 Conversion wrote:
hopeless can you actually give solid reads instead of asking people for theirs? "lol afk lazy scum" isn't much to go off of
also explain your vote too since you seem to be keen on asking fecalfeast on why he's voting for x
This is #558 ^
+ Show Spoiler [#369] +On August 15 2017 02:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 02:23 geript wrote:On August 15 2017 02:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2017 02:09 geript wrote:On August 15 2017 02:07 Tumblewood wrote:On August 15 2017 02:05 geript wrote:On August 15 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town. Why can't they both share an alignment? duh, did u see how much information i have? waay too much information Let me rephrase. Why can't they both be scum? Well obviously Rayn would never let TW defend him with such a terrible meta defense kappa /s? I don't ever remember Rayn being a team controlling player; besides it's not like TW is sitting on Ryan's lap waiting for daddy to approve his posts and hit send. There's more reason to call TW scum than just "perfect knowledge." I'm not subscribed to the idea that one's alignment affects the other's, just in case it wasn't clear, but TW is scum and rayn is town to me.
+ Show Spoiler [#411] +On August 15 2017 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
@HF
rayn's (lack of a) read on cake is mildly concerning, but his logic that TW should have a read isnt hypocritical to me since TW entered into a discussion/argument and exited with nothing to show for it.
For example, TW's entire time arguing with you about rayn was reading like he knew something he shouldnt and I think hes scum for it. There was nothing close to that with his interaction with cake.
If I was going to draw alignment conclusion based on interactions so far, I'd say
cake and TW are scum together
is more likely than
TW <OR> rayn are scum (and the other is town)
+ Show Spoiler [#509] +On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town?
On August 15 2017 09:54 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 09:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
@conversion:
You're quick to call me out, but did you stop to wonder why I asked FF about his read? As far as I can tell, no you did not. What gives? you asked him about his vote you voted for jealous without explaining your vote why shouldn't you be held to the same standard you want to hold FF ? what gives
This is #573.
+ Show Spoiler [#456] +On August 15 2017 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
I was about to say geript lol..
I'm voting jealous. I dont trust HF yet and cake just pulled some shit at the end of the day there.
I feel like having legit drawings was a requirement at this point.
On August 15 2017 21:56 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 21:45 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 21:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
well screw your apathy and screw your martyrdom. Gonna shoot you instead of the lurkers when I get my gun conversion. OK why you would shoot me instead of lynching me is beyond me but waste your vig gun on a town for all I care also this is really bullshit first of all you don't even have the gun, nor are you guaranteed to get it. so don't make shitty threats second of all, this is the exact sort of trigger happiness that fucks town over. like why would you waste a bullet on me when I'm actually giving you information enough to read me? I'm interacting with your and HF's points, instead of waving them away like you like you can't be this bad? if I'm scum keep pushing me and make me slip or make me seem scummy and get a free lynch on me
This is #682. "instead of waving them away like you"
+ Show Spoiler [#482] +On August 15 2017 06:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 06:07 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 05:50 Tumblewood wrote:
##vote jealous just look at this glowing recommendation Look, I realize you're salty but dont pull that WIFOM crap right now. TW was townreading jealous from before the contest and now has omgus to prevent him from voting cake. Obviously he hates you.
+ Show Spoiler [#495] +On August 15 2017 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
Like here's the TL;DR of the plan:
1) Always pick the towniest person.
2) Always make them pick vests NEVER ANYTHING ELSE.
3) If two people with vests ever die then mafia is contained in one of the winners.
4) Otherwise you are basically in an all vanilla game with the towniest people not able to ever die on a day.
Yeah that is a decent plan, but I'm banking on the mindgames part of things where someone can either doc you or vest themselves or copcheck someone and get us a 100% guaranteed check. I feel like the blue HAS to be shot, but if you win HF, you'll just vest and they shoot someone else and the game is vanilla like you wanted. If Jealous (or you know, not HF) gets it, there's a reasonable chance that we get a blue role to actually do work for us, depending on the R-P-S part of it.
After judging H1 for asking people about their reads and not posting his own (which was untrue), Conversion goes on to do pretty much the same thing here while only submitting one scum read on H1 and one free null on rayn here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?user=Conversion&page=3
Here's some more:
On August 16 2017 22:27 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 21:21 geript wrote:@Conversion. Start with this post from Hopeless and tell me what sticks out and why. I mean.. nothing really sticks out to me aside from the post you linked. I actually like the post he linked because he's reading and making conjectures based on what he read... but he doesn't follow up on it. Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2017 04:58 CopCake wrote:
The cake+tumblewood are scum together is the dumbest thing I have ever read in a mafia game. I never said I believed it was true, just more likely than the other thing like this was where he could have pushed cop for something. if TW + cop is more likely to be mafia, why not press her for information so you can get a better read on her? cop even makes a big post and he just sort of drops the pressure after calling her out for using misremembering as an excuse I'm not going to go much deeper in the thread-- it just cements the idea that he's done nothing really remarkable and doesn't seem like he's trying to clear up his possible scum scenarios
This is #1279
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?user=Hopeless1der&page=6
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=42
As you can see H1 and HF actually did pressure CopCake until she got to the point of what looks like an emotional breakdown and stopped answering him, which is shitty play on her part but that's a separate issue.
I could go on with this, but this is enough for your H1 misreps for now. People already think I have a hard-on for him, when really he is just my townlean at the moment. It's not my fault that Conversion targeted H1 almost exclusively for the first few pages of his filter.
Just as an aside, this is an interesting interaction:
+ Show Spoiler [Conversion x Rayn] +On August 15 2017 22:09 Conversion wrote:
my read on rayn is null b/c cop said give him some time
in a few hours during my lunch break he does not contribute anything I will push to lynch him b/c a player of his caliber should be able to do SOMETHING in a small amount of time he has
basically play better than me at the very least, which I can't say confidently he is doing On August 15 2017 22:49 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2017 22:42 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2017 21:34 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion i am curious; why did you decide to "call me out" for making a read based on only couple of posts, and not anyone else who have done the same thing?
bc the only people who gave lists so far that I bothered paying attention to are you and hopeless that's all What was the list Hopeless gave? Why weren't you interested in let's say Cake's read on me that i am mafia based on 2 posts? On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town? hopeless caught my eye bc he was spamming the thread and I didn't like his posts copcake's posts were irrelevant to me b/c I reserved the right to not make any judgment on you until you actually played the game Hopeless gave that list after you called me out. How did you know about the list before he posted it as it is part of your reasoning now? My read on him was posted: Aug 14 16:57 MSK His list was posted: Aug 15 01:31 MSK Why are you saying you treated me and him in the same way when you couldn't possibly have done so at the time? when in the fuck did I call you out? I asked you for clarification, then asked the thread about your meta ??????????????????
^ #691 and #726, respectively. It's almost like Conversion is doing both misrepping and gaslighting by this point in the game already. No bueno.
Maybe there was some context I missed in this situation, but this post:
On August 17 2017 05:15 Conversion wrote:
FF AFKs, throws scum read on me even though he's too busy to play, then points out the obvious like no shit he switched to save himself? what I'm getting at is that he had five hours to explain a read on you and instead he just ninja vote switches to save himself
Is in reference to this post by FF:
On August 17 2017 05:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man i have so much work right now. If I get lynched sorry for being a shitter but damdred is scum and conversion is giving me bad vibes again and i think we should examine the possibility that all 3 lynch targets are town
How does it make sense that FF is simultaneously "too busy to play," but had "five hours to explain a read on you?" This is almost so backwards that I have to believe that I am missing something and this is not just the most blatant non-sequitur defense/attack on FF.
Anyway, I already responded to Conversion's issue with my inactivity and how it demonstrates that he didn't bother to read my filter before picking something to snag on, or if he did then he willfully misrepresented it. Followed by this sheeping on geript's meta explanation for why my post was bad, meta that he earlier claimed to be unaware of:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=82#1626
He also manages to misrep that I'm not doing anything, when in the limited time I had available to me (after the cycle started and FF was already lynched) I tried to come up with something about the game when I didn't even have access to a computer and the only thing that I could work with in the absence of filters and the thread itself is HF's gun play. Then he misreps that "I'm around," when I hadn't posted in 7 hours and my last post was an "Lol" off my mobile.
Let's not forget that he had been townreading/leaning me practically all game until around page 6 of his 8 page filter, and started to get antsy when I didn't respond to his questions (not like I was posting anything else in the meantime, as I was gone, as I said I would be). So he is willing to give rayn a pass when CopCake says "trust me guys, he is busy and he is very cranky and tired!" but when I say that I won't be coming back until "tonight" (and by the time I did, I was too tired) I don't get any slack? K.
Also, when CopCake started pushing some half-baked theories on me that was probably very convenient for Conversion to move me all the way down to scum. Seemed awful lot like he was making a mountain out of a molehill and wanted to ride the wave + sheep the current thread atmosphere.
So yea, Conversion can be added to my scum pile now. CopCake I'd still say is more likely to be challenged in the reading comprehension department to be scum but I grow weary of that too.
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I do want to vote for geript as my #1 townread but I also have grown to trust HF, but that trust will run out if the town situation's doesn't improve in the future under his "leadership." So yea, ##vote HF
I'll be leaving for the airport shortly after EoD, and will be on my mobile if at all during the weekend. I will probably be able to read most things in big chunks, but not respond much. Family vacation and all that. GLHF
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On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad.
I had also interacted with FF prior to this and his responses were satisfactory. In the potential situation of this being a three town lynch pool, I found the circumstances surrounding rayn to be the most suspect and despite giving him a townlean, I had found some scummy posts in his filter as I noted in my chart which you can find in my filter, if you had bothered to look beyond the cherry picking you yourself did. I also explained later that something came up and I didn't have time to do what I wanted to, which I already quoted to you, thanks.
Also, since the overarching topic at hand and my initial argument was that you don't read filters entirely and tunnel in on people for specific posts while ignoring others, I found it pertinent to bring up every (or at least many, I stopped at page 6) times that you have done so. Thanks for the added misrep.
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Yea... As I pointed out... I must have made a mistake/misread something in between the four filters I had up. Hence my saying that it made no sense. Thanks for pointing out what I already pointed out, and then waving off every other pertinent point. Good work detective.
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On August 19 2017 03:30 Conversion wrote:
if the irony isn't obvious* I'll boil it down for you
Jealous: conv is scum for not fully reading filters and cherry picking. I stopped at pg 6 of his filters and made a conclusion on one of his posts without reading the actual context.
hmm.. sounds like mr. jealous didn't fully read filters. so by your logic... you're scum?
Misrep after misrep. When will it end?
I presented every other post/interaction you had in its entirety, documenting how you failed to do your due diligence before making public conclusions. Each of them is a self-contained example. I didn't need to read past the 6th page to prove my point, as I had already collected enough evidence. The one post, which didn't make sense to me probably because I missed something, I specifically said so. 0 misrep. The fact that you're focusing on the tangential issues and ignoring the bulk of the post, which directly explained my previous stance, is telling in itself.
Conversion for scum pool please. Either scum or just a misrepping dodgy fingerpointer.
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On August 19 2017 05:43 Tumblewood wrote:
jealous is the best vote by a medium margin
On August 19 2017 05:43 CopCake wrote:
Uhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Judges!!!!!!!!!
I'm about to leave to catch my plane so I won't be available for quite some time, so in the meantime I just want to make it clear that if I get lynched, look into these two first. And Conversion.
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On August 18 2017 02:10 Conversion wrote:
now show me exactly where this "latch on" behavior happens and your argument will make sense. I post my thoughts in the thread to be transparent, and you take that as an attack on your play and use words that sound like I did far more than just ask you a simple question
Please stop with the misrep, it's getting comical.
Answer to all your other questions was in my filter, as you said, but since you have this misrep tendency I quoted them for you as well as answered your query here.
Does no one else see this crap?
Conversion: why didn't you do what you promised
- it's in the filter -
Converstion: why did you park on rayn
- it's in the filter -
Conversion: show me where I do this latch on behavior and don't read filters while cherry picking
- make detailed posts with self-contained examples throughout the majority of the game -
Conversion: wow way to make a post explaining why you scum lean me instead of answering my questions. Jealous posting is really suspect.
?????
Looooolllll I'm done
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On August 19 2017 06:21 Conversion wrote:
I'd still have to disagree with you, though but we can agree to disagree. His latest posts do not sound town-oriented at all, and his continuous dismissal of basic questions (such as the one I asked you) just feels wrong.
Like, you're making this really big case that's not saying much. Why not just answer the question I posed in the first place? He clearly has time to write a well thought out post (albeit flawed in the conclusion he makes, in my opinion), but he could have quoted his thoughts on FF, Hopeless, and why he parked his vote on rayn but he did this weird I'm just gonna case you as scum now because you're prodding at me. That doesn't feel town. Town shouldn't get defensive over being prodded, they should just be answering or saying "it's in my filter" if you're that busy (which, again, he had time to write a long, constructed post on why I'm scum)
The question was why was he not doing anything he promised, and his thread entrance and subsequent posting afterwards showed his "I'm busy" excuse is kind of lame to be frank. He could have spent 1/8 of that time answering my questions, then doing what he promised (casing H1, since FF is gone). Instead he gets defensive and deflects to me being scum while trying to seem logical.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KYVETI3.jpg)
K peace
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On August 19 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think conversion is mafia then jealous?
Yep
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On August 19 2017 07:28 CopCake wrote:
when someone asks me something in the future I will say "It is in the filter"
For you it is probably untrue or one would need a map.
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On August 19 2017 07:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2017 07:28 Jealous wrote:On August 19 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote:
Do you think conversion is mafia then jealous? Yep Then why you getting annoyed he's misrepping you and shit?
Because so far not one person has acted like they see what I'm talking about. I feel like CopCake.
The irony is I was only leaning him to scum but his encouragement to dig through his filter is what pushed him into the scum territory. I was initially just answering his query but ended up with a solid read. Would've been nice to have some feedback on it from someone other than him as he continues to misrep.
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