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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 06:08 GMT
#1681
On July 16 2017 14:58 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 14:29 emperorchampion wrote:
@tumble: please explain more your ruxxar read.

i don't really have a granular thing i can point to and say "this post is townie because xyz" but over the course of this game i have seen ruxxar as a player highly concerned with solving the game and little else. frankly it seems obvious to me and i have trouble understanding why so many people scumread him


Aight, can you quote some posts where he's solving the game. This is really a stumbling block for me atm
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 06:13 GMT
#1682
Vivax hi??

Rels koshi?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 16 2017 06:23 GMT
#1683
On July 16 2017 14:40 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 08:21 geript wrote:
On July 16 2017 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
Ec/ruxxar/rels/koshi

4 man mafia team

That's basically where Damdred is... which makes me feel bad about my reads


geript please give your own reads. Also wtf is damdred on, he should be my number 1 fan.

Like tbh, I'm not entirely sure where I stand right now. Part of it is because I've been lazy and watching league to some extent. I think Rux/HF are Town. I'm less sure of Rsoul/Vivax being mod confirmed town; I think her play does make her more likely to be town.

I don't know where I stand on Skynx right now honestly. I think there's reasonable reasons on both sides. I think I lean closer to like SL/Koshi being the other two scum atm, but I'm not really bullish. TBH, I haven't seen a reason to think anyone else is town and am not currently bothering to look.

I'm also kinda mad at Rayn. He never fucking listens to me and his close to EON comment about having geript x2 instead of geript + Damdred wasn't really nice at all. I think I just need to accept that Ryan's always going to fucking ignore what I say no matter how good it is. Even when I fucking read his and HF's alignment right and make the correct play to give him information so he can fucking correct his reads.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 06:39 GMT
#1684
For you is rux just too crazy to be scum? That's the thing that I remember most about your read.

For skynx, I'm at the point where making cases on 3 town so far is pretty meh but it doesn't make him scum. There's also the things earlier with the fake rage, his response when called out was also pretty meh. I feel pretty mixed on this also.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 06:42 GMT
#1685
Also is there anything about sl that sticks out to you as scum?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 16 2017 07:25 GMT
#1686
On July 16 2017 15:39 emperorchampion wrote:
For you is rux just too crazy to be scum? That's the thing that I remember most about your read.

For skynx, I'm at the point where making cases on 3 town so far is pretty meh but it doesn't make him scum. There's also the things earlier with the fake rage, his response when called out was also pretty meh. I feel pretty mixed on this also.

That's part of it. It's also based on a few things I don't feel 100% confident in. Like Vayne saying Rux was this ADD in his last game as Town. Like seeing his scum games seeming slightly more organized/clear. Note there are many issues I have with that meta read. Part of it is that there wasn't any serious attempt to setup a lynch on him; like if he's scum then I'd expect both other scum at least position themselves to reasonably bus him. But like the closes thing I remember was comments in N1 (from Skynx iirc). Skynx-Rux scumteam is far from impossible, but my gut says that's not a reasonable scum team because of how late Skynx would be distancing/counter bussing.

I just think the bottom line is that it's more reasonable for Rux to be Town. It's just the simpler explanation.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 16 2017 07:28 GMT
#1687
On July 16 2017 15:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Also is there anything about sl that sticks out to you as scum?

He's SL. I've always read him wrong. Like I hard defended him in a PM game on D1 because of a late night call where he felt like town. That btw put me in shitty position then with Rayn and Damdred iirc. He's just forgettable to me, which makes me think he's scum because he can be otherwise as Town.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 07:55 GMT
#1688
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 08:01 GMT
#1689
On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote:
@HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously.


I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town.

The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post.

After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent.

Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed:

Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe.
But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch.

Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote:
the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today

...

actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk
but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM)


HOWEVER.

When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:52 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:49 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:31 ruXxar wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:28 Skynx wrote:
On July 15 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
VA. Tumblewood, rels.

Please vote.

What? TW was 100 town????


Yes?

What did he do wrong? What did Rels do wrong?


They haven't voted yet.

chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this


Why is EC scum?

i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him


I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads.

This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game.

This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda.

It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town.


This is a fair point. I also don't remember anything about his filtering of me. Pretty sure he didn't post anything afterwards.

Like if you read my filter and you think I'm town, if you're town you say so. If you find something scummy you say so. If you're scum and you don't find anything to push you just leave it. Very interesting actually.

Tumble please answer this as well.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 08:01 GMT
#1690
I think sl and skynx reaction to hf's claim were fairly towny
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 08:28 GMT
#1691
Anyways, I'm off for a while
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 16 2017 09:35 GMT
#1692
I have a massive headache. Expect nothing from me. I'll look at tw later I guess but I haven't read a single filter all game.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 10:17 GMT
#1693
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


I called tumble lock town first.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 10:19 GMT
#1694
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


Please explain why that is important to you.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 10:19 GMT
#1695
On July 16 2017 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a massive headache. Expect nothing from me. I'll look at tw later I guess but I haven't read a single filter all game.


Take it easy man, get some good rest
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 10:30 GMT
#1696
On July 16 2017 19:19 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


Please explain why that is important to you.


I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations.
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 10:32 GMT
#1697
On July 16 2017 12:46 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Skynx is not mafia.
Noone will never ever come into the game as mafia making a case on someone and at the same time being completely aware they haven't even read the half of what the said dude said. Never.

wow, it's not often that a point is good enough that i actually listen to it. it's not infallible but it's a real good thing to consider and i think skynx is town


Why do you make this post now?
It's out of context.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 10:40 GMT
#1698
On July 16 2017 19:32 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 12:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On July 15 2017 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Skynx is not mafia.
Noone will never ever come into the game as mafia making a case on someone and at the same time being completely aware they haven't even read the half of what the said dude said. Never.

wow, it's not often that a point is good enough that i actually listen to it. it's not infallible but it's a real good thing to consider and i think skynx is town


Why do you make this post now?
It's out of context.


How so out of context?

I respect rayns read, part of what makes me think that skynx could just be lazy so far. I don't think it's as alignment indicative as rayn tho. Tumbles response is kinda weird. Does tumble have other things supporting skynx town? I don't remember fully, just the part where he said that skynx wasn't an ideal off wagon. Not sure if this point alone is enough to justify a town read but depends on his previous stance to me.
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 16 2017 10:43 GMT
#1699
On July 16 2017 19:30 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2017 19:19 ruXxar wrote:
On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote:
@ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you?


Please explain why that is important to you.


I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations.


I can see that.

I know I look bad for my defending of VA, so I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I think TW also looks bad for his supposed town read on VA.

I wouldn't say it's definitely mafia though, since I'm town and reached the same conclusion.

What most bothers me about TW, is how little doubt he has about any of his reads.

His reads are static and non evolving as the game progresses.

Most notably very few ingame events makes him reconsider his reads, which means that his reads are locked regardless of what we do.
That is a sign of someone with TMI aka mafia.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
July 16 2017 10:47 GMT
#1700
His last response was really meh, like how can you town lock but not point out a single concrete reason why? Like if you're too lazy to filter the guy, then just say feels or that you're too lazy. So pretty interested in his further response on that.
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