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ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:24 GMT

#1720

On July 16 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
A framer with a miller in this game would be bull shit

Having two confirmed towns and a cop in a 13 man game is incredibly town sided.

I personally think having mssons in a mini mafia game is quite a fun killer.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:35 GMT

#1722

On July 16 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
But also let me just get this straight.

If you have concerns that I'm mafia fake claiming and have already determined that if rels were to flip green I should be lynched why are you checking something so obvious with the thread?

Furthermore, since you have this thought process you absolutely need to explain what my mafia motivation is (that thing you completely love saying) to claim a red check on a rels that will inevitably flip green and lose all the amazing town credit I have from 90% of the game? What's the play? Trade one me for one afk rels for no reason?

The mafia motivation is this:

Koshi is mafia.
If you are mafia you don't want koshi to be lynched, which is a high possibility tomorrow.

Rels already looks bad and is afk, so with a fake cop check it should be easy to push his lynch.

This buys you a free lynch, and takes attention away from koshi.

Later you argue that there is a framer in the game for balance.

I'm not saying you are mafia now, but I want to hedge myself for that possibility so you don't slip away.

I know you are good player and hold you in such high regard that I know you could easily make such a play if you wanted to.

Plus; you said the game wa boring, so maybe you decided to have a little fun.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:39 GMT

#1725

On July 16 2017 22:34 Holyflare wrote:

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and yet when I questioned it you were the one trying to throw shade at it

there's absolutely no way you're town here

You are cherry picking quotes taking it out of context.

If you had read my filter you would've found this.

On July 15 2017 23:02 ruXxar wrote:

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Why should I believe it?
I don't see any reason to.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:44 GMT

#1727

On July 16 2017 22:40 Holyflare wrote:
what roles do you think mafia has against one shot cop and two masons?

It doesn't matter because I'm lynching you regardless if rels is town.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:48 GMT

#1728

On July 16 2017 22:37 Holyflare wrote:
And besides why in your scenario is there no actual room for there to be a framer in "for balance" and for me to be the real cop?

The % chance of there being a framer the game and framing rels the exact night you check him is too low to take with any ounce of seriousness.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:54 GMT

#1730

On July 16 2017 22:51 Holyflare wrote:
Who would a framer frame then?

Are you saying that you are expecting to get framed?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 13:59 GMT

#1732

On July 16 2017 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
No, I'm trying to imagine what it's like to be a town ruxxar who says the masons aren't real but also that the cop claim is fake and also that a framer can't exist if they're both real but then wouldn't know who they would frame but then thinks the person who doesn't fake claim cop would fake claim cop as mafia for a 0% play to save koshi and trade 2 of the mafia team instead of just 1.

I'm struggling a lot.

Then let's not waste more time discussing framers and just accept that if rels is green we lynch you.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:03 GMT

#1736

On July 16 2017 23:00 Holyflare wrote:
I can't explain your thought processes in any other way than mafia.

You have so many dumps of drivel it's ridiculous. You say I'm cherry picking that I didn't quote how you disbelieved the masons and instead believed them and not me.

Then you're saying I'm probably fake claiming and haven't even put a vote on rels the whole day which makes the above statement false.

Then you say that you think masons in a game are broken but for some reason still disbelieve a 1 shot cop with a red check.

Then you say if rels is green that I'm definitely mafia even though there is no reason in this world to fake claim ever.

I said I'm *concerned* about you fake claiming.
That's far away from "probably".

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:04 GMT

#1738

On July 16 2017 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
I will never go down without a fight. If rels is green there is a confirmed framer. I will dump as much thought as possible into the game and never stop fighting.

If rels is green you are mafia.
End of discussion.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:43 GMT

#1745

On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:

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rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?

I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:46 GMT

#1749

On July 16 2017 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2

I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again.

Relax. If rels is mafia you have nothing to worry about.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:51 GMT

#1754

On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote:

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well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread

Basically I likened skynx case on Rayn to how btdt constructed his case on skynx in our last game.

Basically I felt like skynx had missed out on some small crucial details that someone that was engaged in the thread at the time would've pickled up.
Whereas someone who was just skimming the thread to catch up would miss.

I was really undecided on whether that made skynx mafia or if it was just a bad town case.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 14:54 GMT

#1755

On July 16 2017 23:50 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what's your read on EC ?

I think he's town.

Like I mentioned however I haven't evaluated skynx case on him, so my read doesn't include that.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 15:09 GMT

#1760

On July 16 2017 23:56 Rels wrote:

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On July 16 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:

On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote:

On July 16 2017 23:43 ruXxar wrote:

On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote:

On July 14 2017 14:54 Tumblewood wrote:

On July 14 2017 14:50 geript wrote:

On July 14 2017 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:

On July 14 2017 08:14 ruXxar wrote:

On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote:
So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx?

1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths.
Basically it's a misguided failure.
Whether that is intentional or not is another point.

It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings.

In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good.

Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons".

Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that.

I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things.

Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today.

i think rux has gotta be town

Why?

well firstly i don't think scum!rux is attacking skynx's case on someone else because of minute details. that is a very not mafia reason
and since i made that post i caught up fully and i am 100% sure on this

rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ?

I was attacking skynx case on Rayn.

well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread

Why is there a "1" randomly in there ?
"1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths."
Why did you comment Skynx' case on rayn when geript asked for your opinion on his case ?

Don't remember about the 1.
I was probably going to make a list of points then decided to just write it in one big post.

I read geript case, then I reevaluated my stance on skynx.
My opinion of skynx case was already made up long before geript said anything about skynx.

The only thing that changed was my perspective on whether skynx case made him mafia or misguided town.
I was initially leaning towards town, and also had koshi as primary scum early in the day, so didn't see a reason to switch.

I didn't really care to analyze geripts case on skynx.
I read it and thought "meh".

The only point I drew from it was the fact that skynx came to the wrong conclusion regarding Rayn/geript conversation.
(And I mentioned this in my response).
Which meshes with what I was previously thinking as well.

Another factor that made me change my vote to skynx was that not many people were enthusiastic about lynching koshi.
I considered koshi lynch a lost case for the day at that point and decided to consolidate my vote.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 15:13 GMT

#1762

On July 17 2017 00:08 Rels wrote:

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On July 14 2017 03:30 ruXxar wrote:

On July 14 2017 03:18 Skynx wrote:

On July 14 2017 03:14 ruXxar wrote:

On July 14 2017 03:03 Skynx wrote:

On July 14 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:

On July 14 2017 02:43 Skynx wrote:

On July 14 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote:

On July 14 2017 02:38 Skynx wrote:
rayn, if you're 100% on VA that means you have your absolute scumteam in VA, Ruxxar, geript?

Where are you going with this

Cuz thats pretty optimistic having to have 3 very strong townreads in 1st 24 hours. I'm curious how he progresses his Ruxxar read as i think they are both town.

Me and who else is town? Geript?

Also, why does it matter how many scum reads he has?

Yes, I like geript for his reactions when rayn pushed him, felt natural and logical to me.

When I have too many scumreads i tell myself "ok thats prolly not all right" and reconsider most of them. Believe or not this stuff helps later on, they all add to general value of how you consider other people are scumhunting. That helped for example we couldn't catch rayn last game cuz he didn't reveal anything and just barked Rels is scum all game long.

Sure, but 3 scum reads is within the realm of actual mafia in the game, so it's not too many.

And he is re-evaluating.
Just earlier he was deadest on me being mafia.
Now he is die hard wanting to lynch VA.
I would say he is evolving his reads.

Thats pretty much the point of me asking. I didn't really notice him dropping read on you.

I don't see how you could compare this Rayn with the Rayn last game.

It's a night and day difference.

I resllly like the analysis post you made, and you brought up a lot of good points.

But this Rayn is 10x more town than the dude from last game.
He's absolutely not a D1 lynch anyway.

Some traits I would use to define his towniness:
Aggressive, critical, pushy, emotional, evolving, stubbornness to a degree. Unapologetic.

I don't see the nitpicky pushing that I saw last game on rels, and he doesn't follow thread sentiment, he stakes his own course.

If this is not town Rayn then he has really leveled up his game.

So you "reallly like the analysis post Skynx made, and Skynx brought up a lot of good points."

Show nested quote +

Skynx is analytic.

Show nested quote +

But later Skynx is so bad it makes him town ?? That doesn't match.
Then you change your mind to say it actually probably makes him scum, voting him.

Yes, it looked like he had a towny mindset trying to do a proper case.

I never agreed to the conclusions he reached.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 15:15 GMT

#1763

On July 13 2017 23:05 ruXxar wrote:

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I agree that is interesting.

But I think skynx is misguided.
I'm pretty confident Rayn is town.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 15:21 GMT

#1765

I can't read that case by skynx.

I keep trying but my brain just shuts off trying to read the quotes on my phone.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 16:17 GMT

#1810

On July 17 2017 00:57 Rels wrote:

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because you're saying you have a red check on me

Slam dunk.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 16:27 GMT

#1828

On July 17 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, whatever, I'm rescinding my claim. I don't want to waste any more time doing it and I want to further the discussion today so we can actually lynch ruxxar or koshi.

Everything ruxxar has done this game is absolutely FULL of TMI. Not only with VA but with this claim too. I think rels could maybe actually be town purely for his appeal to me about fake claiming on this page and it's stupid but I'm gonna roll with it.

I can't be bothered to work out how many mislynches there are till end game if rels flipped town but if it's one all of ruxxar's posts outline setting me up for the mislynch the next day when it's an obvious unspoken thing.

##vote holyflare

Die scum.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 16 2017 16:34 GMT

#1839

Anybody not voting for HF goes on my scum list.

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