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When times are dire and TL doesn't get sign ups, I resort to town of salem to quench the thirst. It has massive flaws since it doesn't have the concept of a VT from the start meaning that mafia and NK always have to cc someone (ideally), and you need to play against a limited time so it mostly comes down to claim wars. Also town roles are hilariously overpowered. The jailkeeper can execute people at night and interrogate you. These are screenshots from one game where I was werewolf and killed the entire town on N2, but also myself cause my target got transported into the veteran along with the rest of the town. D3 the only survivors were : The 3 mafia, the survivor, and the veteran who they lynched, winning the game. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xOGElcc.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CjJmJOn.jpg) | ||
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On June 14 2017 10:41 annul wrote: wow my first game in 5 years and i roll green, sucks Is this bait or serious? | ||
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On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote: You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting? Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there. First post conf town, goos shit there. Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other?? Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter. Very good post here. This is probably the best post ITT so far in terms of value,skynx top town. | ||
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Does Koshi always lie, or always tell the truth ? If lie, don't read anything into it. If truth, Koshi claimed 3p ITT. HF/disfo liked to think that. Rayn says that that one post doesn't make Koshi mafia and says disfo doesn't reevaluate when Koshi posts more (his problem with the Koshi read) HF concludes that rayn knows Koshi is 3P and therefore mafia??? Overall I don't find this very sheepable. I think annul is also town. | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:48 Holyflare wrote: No, Rayn admits he doesn't think Koshi is town yet so he unnecessarily defends Koshi in his post for absolutely no reason. That's a misconstruction HF. Saying that someone is disagreeing doesn't mean it's a defense, it's an opinion. By extension I would be defending Koshi as well just for disagreeing with you and disfo? | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:57 darthfoley wrote: I was gonna say this. People grilling Skynx seem to be missing the point of his post. It was calling out ruXXar soft buddying disformation rather than disformation's post itself. Town points to Skynx. As of page 11, I think Xatalos/ruXXar are most likely to be scum I also want to point out that Ruxxar simply ignored it when skynx called him out for liking that post. | ||
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On June 14 2017 19:49 Koshi wrote: I wasn't clear: The problem is they aren't pushing me for being mafia, and you defend me with the line "I don't think Koshi is mafia" Iz weirdz? While I don't think Koshi is mafia/(3p) for his first post alone. His overall posting doesn't hit me as townie so far. The timing of his btdt scumread seemed out of place and the post didn't seem natural, the above has no followup and I don't have the impression that he cared about rayn doing that. He's getting my vote for the time being as I await the Koshi townie spark that may well never come. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:49 beentheredonethat wrote: I like this but the rest of Skynx filter doesn't let me drawn conclusions. 4 posts in 4 hours, 1 hour 1 post. I think it was very townie that he pinged Ruxxar cause he couldn't understand how he +1d disfos post, then explained how he perceived it instead. | ||
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Damdred kind of going for the hands off approach leaves him at null, I think his latest post would be easy to make as either alignment. @ Ruxxar On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote: It's not the content as much as the tone and structure. Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern. I'd give that a slight town read. Do you think that disfo is the only one who fell into that category by that point? I think there's a lot of people you could have applied that to. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:10 Koshi wrote: Does anybody know why sicklucker took Eversince as copcheck example? ( and I know it is fake) They are twin brothers | ||
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If the meta holds true he will have one of the largest filters and it will more or less look like that. As mafia he posts in a more constructed way. I'd give him a slight townread for light heartedness even. Ruxxar on the other hand, don't like how he explained his disfo + 1 away. There's plenty of people he could have townread with that reasoning. So I'd like to know where he'd end up if he tried applying that same heuristic to anyone. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Like in a HF vs. Rayn world I'd always lynch HF over rayn simply because of scum capabilities but right now HF is doing everything and having good points and rayn is not here So far I like HF's "lets wagon koshi and rayn" thing. Koshi's defense feels lackluster, like he's not interested at all. which matches his initial approach (where he said "*pats HF on the back of his head*"). And rayn didn't react at all. Both are capable of leading town. Both don't. Damdred do you really think this is fearmongering? And what would he be fear mongering for when he's siding HF? | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:20 Koshi wrote: Well. If everybody enters like Damdred this is going to be interesting. Alas we will not be that lucky. ??? What do you mean we will not be that lucky. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:24 Damdred wrote: While the meta bit is true the first part is part of his scummers not town. He randomly tags along on a ride gets what he wants that doesn't cause shade and leaves. I do agree with your ruxxar post though. Like just sort of base level reads that look good on filter but horrid in context. In this case might not even look good as filter stuffer. Why do you think annul is town though? On June 14 2017 21:35 annul wrote: i think the fact that: A. i am here during this argument and therefore have read all of it; and B. i do not have a vote down on anyone yet is indicative of what i think so far HF has no reason to FOS anyone this early and assigning alignment to him based on that is just WIFOM This post. Sassy and admits to having no scumread when he feels like he has no scumreads. When there are really enough things going on in the thread for any mafia to just come in and pick a townie to scumread with similar arguments as another townie. Or whatever mafia wants to do. But not really be zen and neutral and do things in his own time and reasoning like annul is. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:25 ruXxar wrote: Not the only one, but his post had more content so it was easier to analyze. He either tried really hard to appear town, or he's town. On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote: It's not the content as much as the tone and structure. Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern. I'd give that a slight town read. Someone tell me this is just a minor inconsistency? | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:38 Damdred wrote: I think both can be true? But it is a little inconsistant Well he went like "No Skynx it wasn't the content but the tone" to "No Vivax it wasn't the tone but the amount of content" | ||
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I'm probably reading too much into it but I think it's a thin rail to walk on between "he's making the reasons up on the spot and just keeps piling them on when you ask for details" and "he actually thinks that but can't condense it all into one post". | ||
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Can you still think that an argument is good without arriving to the same conclusion? Yes -> It's a null point. No -> Koshi is mafia. | ||
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##Unvote Let's see if others arrive to the same conclusion on their own or want me to explain why I did. | ||
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Might put my vote on him again later. On June 15 2017 00:00 Koshi wrote: nha that is not omgus. For that you need to vote me, and then I need to vote you. My view on you has not changed from when I wrote my listpost, so your little remark did nothing, so where is the omgus? Dnu what you are doing. But the town hero hype cooled down. On June 15 2017 00:03 Koshi wrote: Entering the thread with a pretty ridiculous harsh reply on the disformation list. I didn't like it. Can't forget it. These two posts felt townie but otherwise...ehhh. Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia. I have to disagree on this. At that point in time, I think his list post was very easy to make as mafia and couldn't really be a reason to TR him. His followup engaging with the thread looked better. This just looks like you picked a high content post to justify a lazy TR. But this read stems from me disagreeing with that list post being indicative on anything. So not feeling this makes you 100% mafia. Don't like the read however. | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote: I don't like the annul town reads. I think his A-B comparison thing is scummy. Can you explain why admitting to having no reads makes someone mafia? | ||
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That said, I'd switch to Ruxxar with enough followers. But right now the Koshi wagon is big and big wagons are what we need. | ||
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On June 15 2017 02:54 disformation wrote: ah and directly after that he just jumps on palmar cause why not. so i had a bit of the impression he was desperate for a scumread or something I had that feeling when he posted the caselet on btdt | ||
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On June 15 2017 02:58 darthfoley wrote: Why do you need more people to join a wagon before you commit? There's plenty of time left in today. If you want a ruxxar wagon, make it happen. This looks like useless hedging Cause five wagons with 2 people each isn't a threat to anyone. Day 1 is forging a club of townies to smack people with who think they can get away with anything. | ||
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Why is someone mafia for admitting to having no reads? You call annul mafia for cop out from giving reads, so you're requesting someone to give you some forced reads in the case that he doesn't have any? | ||
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Palmar, Rels, Damdred, Tumblewood, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince There can be plenty of mafia and whatnot in the nonvoters. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote: He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons. And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote: The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening: Wasn't it disfos argument | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. I like your attitude. I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions). | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:16 Koshi wrote: And those mafia haven't said anything that triggered people because they are being careful. naaaaaaames | ||
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- still thinks SLs cop check is real and took it at face value from the get go. - His +1 of disfos post looked a bit rash. - He pretty much skipped skynx pointing that out until others asked him to finally answer to it. I'd be glad to discuss other options. Currently I think annul, Xata, Koshi (latest effort has been good), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt are town. Rest is a giant pile of meh. Darthfoley dropped off from my trs cause his reads just seem so different from mine and I don't get the feeling that he's having fun posting. Same for disformation cause he was all shiny and chrome at the start but then kind of kept beating around the bush with his posts even as the information progressed. Eversince jumped up the scum charts quickly since she claimed to be caught up but I think she copied a lot of the thread instead of getting some own opinion. IE the part where she just repeats what HF said. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101. Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel? | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:26 ruXxar wrote: This is the second time you are dead on explaining my actions. Almost as if you are reading my mind. I get a very eerie feeling from this, chills down my back. Either you have too much information and know I am town, therefore you can be so confident in your town read of me. Or you are just damn good at reading me. Being townread is scary when you know you're being a scummy duck? | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote: He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive. She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense. | ||
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On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote: Did vivax run away? If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me. | ||
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Might explain how I read him if this gets too much traction. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:26 Vivax wrote: Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons. And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon EverSince said rayn made 1 sentence in a post defending Koshi. It's what HF said and something I argued against all this time. Conclusion: She just assumed HFs version of events instead of realizing that like me and rayn said, rayn was disagreeing with a read and not defending anyone. Now HF is basically the only person who is able to make a little thing like this into a giant pile of bloated BS like he's trying to. And Xatalos can be mafia for sucking up to him in a semi concerned tone about it, which is what I was on the lookout for.. | ||
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On June 15 2017 17:54 disformation wrote: @vivi: oh you werent talking about the rayn thing at all? this is what i meant with: No the moment she posted in thread I pointed it out that rayn didn't defend anyone. THat's basically the rumour HF has tried to let become a fact in his awful push on rayn. And Eversince didn't read properly or formed an own opinion instead of just copying what HF said about that and that's what I called her scum for. On top of it she didn't even bother replying. | ||
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You are pushing me by misconstruing B into A. Just like you misconstrued rayn disagreeing into a defense of Koshi. Basically talking to HF/listening to HF = massive waste of time. | ||
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On June 15 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: oh wait hf is right later on she states that she is a bit worried about the whole thing That doesn't change anything cause my point is that she probs just skimmed the thread half-heartedly. It's only HF trying to force the point of view that this is about the case on rayn when really I was pointing out that she didn't form her own opinion on the rayn-koshi-defense thingy as being scummy. That is what she recited as gospel. That rayn defended Koshi. Nothing else that HF wants to make everyone believe. Basically he took this post. On June 15 2017 04:42 Vivax wrote: I like your attitude. I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions). Removed the context and claimed that this was about his case on rayn and not about that thing. | ||
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote: yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out. Ummm no? On June 13 2017 07:55 Eversince wrote: /in Times killed my last attempt at playing. Round 2 time! On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote: He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. ^ post I replied to | ||
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But it's alarming that he agreed with HF in that semi concerned tone that's characteristic for his scum play with all the hmms and bland comments. On June 15 2017 15:45 Xatalos wrote: Hm yeah seems Ever referenced the case on rayn, but disagreed with it. Bland comment. Also didn't fact check and took HFs misconstruction at face value. | ||
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BTDT posted excuse, but HF and disfo, why do you still feel strongly about koshi mafia? Especially disfo. | ||
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That huge post reads like she's arguing that HF is mafia pushing Koshi to watch town burn from his golden throne but never actually calls HF mafia. Even in the tl;dr post all we get is an argument for HF being able to be both and we're supposed to draw our own conclusions from HF thinks Koshi is anti-town. Decide HF motive yourself. Koshi needs to be more vocal about his opinions. If Koshi gets lynched by the town for not being productive then fine. If he gets mis-lynched because thread sentiment makes it easy Which btw looks like a Koshi town spew deluxe. (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) And this line in the first big post is just lulzy. Openly thinking about how to get townread, ok? Seems like a feeling of regret for not being around to get into the town pile. | ||
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I'm already trying to find a better lynch than Koshi. I think Ruxxar, Eversince, maybe Xata are better lynches. If you want to get things done why not focus on discussing these instead of remaining stuck in the past? I literally have no idea what you want me to say with the coloured skies, I've already spent more posts on it than I'd have liked to. | ||
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On June 15 2017 19:32 Holyflare wrote: This is what is happening in my world. Is your world different? Yes. That the sky is your rayn read and it has nothing to do with what I pointed out. Cause what I pointed out is the notion that rayn defended koshi | ||
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I start seeing your point that she said that in disagreement, but that's only visible afterwards when she says thta she doesn't agree on rayn in this post. On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote: @Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all which came waaaaay after my post. She rehashed the whole rayn matter cause FF asked and later dropped the actual opinion on the rayn thing. But before she did that it looked like she was just copying your opinion since she spoke of rayn defending Koshi which is wrong in the first place. | ||
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Big posts with no actual direction, thinking on how to get townread, rehashing things for others and only later taking a stance on it. This sounds like it's from a textbook scumhunting guide but it can make her mafia. I'm not 100 % sold on these arguments myself but I'm not lynching in absolutes on a D1 anyway. Would lynch cause it's the best I got, anyhow. Don't see much reason to reconsider on Ruxxar either. The whole read making process where he pumps out two townreads didn't look natural and more like he felt forced to do it cause he promised in depth analysis. Pretty sure he just doesn't get thoughts about the game naturally and is making these up reluctantly. | ||
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On June 15 2017 21:12 darthfoley wrote: Hey people. I made multiple posts about Rels being a weirdo McScumScum and all of you ignored it! Don't ignore me! What do you "town leaders" make of Rels? He answered to your concern in a convincing way imo. Overall I think that his list thingy is pretty townie as going chronologically like that obviously is going to cause inconsistencies and it just looks like he slapped down everything he was thinking. I don't agree with his good/bad heuristic but I don't think it's scummy atm I think you are pointing out things he knew would be in there but he didn't care cause he wasn't afraid of looking scummy. Overall I'd even give him a slight townread for that. | ||
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On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote: ##vote raynpelikoneet This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI. Updated town list: annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh) Newcomers: TW, rayn , Rels. Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view. And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually). Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening. | ||
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On June 15 2017 18:15 disformation wrote: yes, but she formed/posted her own opinion on that. before you called her out. This was wrong btw and I'm possibly going to fry disformation for it at some point If HF is town here it's kind of funny cause he's feeding mafias false info and they believe it without fact checking. That would speak for Xata, disfo mafia. | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:09 darthfoley wrote: Your argument with HF has gone over my head and it's been clogging up the thread so my only read comes from a quick read of her(?) filter. All the filter is is early defending of rayn against a wagon on him, then moderating HF v. Koshi. I have no idea what Eversince believes of the other 19 players in the game. She feels super disconnected from the thread. She's on the scummier side, but also perfect example of potential lynch bait. I'm still more comfortable with other people D1 lynch because her filter doesn't feel like she's pushing any sort of agenda tbh Bold-1: Do you think that it is not alignment indicative in this case? She claimed to have read the entire game when she first started to post, so can't say that it's not trying. Bold -2: What would you expect the agenda to look like? It can mean different things for different people. On June 15 2017 22:10 darthfoley wrote: Also to build off what Skynx/disfo said, why is everyone letting Palmar actively not play the game without putting any pressure on him? I'd give him a day of holiday within the game for what we did to him in Generic  .Also it's well within his town play to play like that. On June 15 2017 22:11 darthfoley wrote: Why are you TRing btdt but not me when we basically have the same reads? For the way he went after Koshi and felt so compelled to spell out the reason for going after Koshi. And for tone. He seemed very engaged, that's how I'd put it. I don't judge in everyone if he has the same reads as me either, sometimes I do when I know I'm thinking the same as someone else. On June 14 2017 21:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Waitwaitwait I'm not locked on Koshi being 3p, I'm not sheeping you I think he can very well be scum | ||
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the parroting thing stroke me as more negative than maybe it stroke you cause I fought the notion that rayn defended Koshi from the start just like he did afterwards in his big post. She used the same words HF used and I believe that when people just take wrong representations from other players at face value and reproduce it in their posts , then they might be mafia. | ||
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Koshi with the hipster reads. This is the game I'm feeling I'm currently in. | ||
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Why are you not replying to my posts before posting new questions? You are leaving loose ends in this game. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:29 darthfoley wrote: Because your claim is generally vague and fearmongering. "Feels like the game is being fearmongered away from annul/Xata." You'd probably wonder who/what made me say that. How am I leaving "loose ends" in the game when it's D1 and i've been consistently active and looking for mafia/pushing new leads? You should read my posts some time | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:51 ruXxar wrote: So basically you don't care who gets lynched? That's a horribly anti-town stance to take. And you going to call him mafia for that or is this just as superficial as it looks? | ||
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Would really prefer to lynch Eversince/Ruxx but most peope won't so the last option is posting more or sheeping and I cba to post more when ppl openly admit to not reading. | ||
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Or DF who thinks hes entitled to ask me questions but apparently doesn't want to read my filter and engage. So I'm just going to sheep HF, maybe rayn, maybe Palmar depending on who cares the most or something like that. As long as it looks like there's a train of ppl and not just a bunch of solitary ones in little bubbles. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:33 Koshi wrote: lol you are mad people don't listen to you while you don't listen to those people. funny I listen to DF I pick apart his posts and comment on individual parts that interest me. I just don't have the same reads as him. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:35 Koshi wrote: I have commented a lot on your scumreads rexx and Ever. People think different things. From the active people everybody read what you said. I think townreading Eversince is a very long shot from you when all I can remember is that you said shes trying to help or something. All mafias want to look like they're trying to help and they don't really want to get into shitfights. DF also said what he found bad/odd about her cause I asked him and then concluded nothing with it and completely shut down from my inquiries since nobody helps me out with forcing a response out of him. On June 15 2017 22:09 darthfoley wrote: Your argument with HF has gone over my head and it's been clogging up the thread so my only read comes from a quick read of her(?) filter. All the filter is is early defending of rayn against a wagon on him, then moderating HF v. Koshi. I have no idea what Eversince believes of the other 19 players in the game. She feels super disconnected from the thread. She's on the scummier side, but also perfect example of potential lynch bait. I'm still more comfortable with other people D1 lynch because her filter doesn't feel like she's pushing any sort of agenda tbh I legitimately think this is a bad post and DF doesn't have a real read on ES and kind of leaves it wishy washy. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:42 Holyflare wrote: I don't mind the post at all. Basically says she's a lurker that's posted, which is pretty scummy but not unknown for town to do. But his conclusion is wrong. Mafia agenda is just to live so not pushing anything and living is already fulfilling it. See? This is what I wanted to hear from DF, his version of mafia agenda at least cause that's one of the questions I have pending and he refused to answer. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:08 Holyflare wrote: Pretty hilarious dead thread 2 hours before a lynch in a 22 player game ikr | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:33 Rels wrote: I swear one day I will have a good D1. Dunno why I can never bring myself to care D1 Just sheep and you don't have to care. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:36 darthfoley wrote: Second paragraph is actually kind of a sick point. There's plenty of reason to "fabricate" a vote on him if he were Town. Especially with some of the people pushing him considered "obv/strong town" yet he's been stuck at 4 votes forever Or annul, Or Ruxxar, Or SL Hmmm why are all mafias not voting together?? Just why | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:54 sicklucker wrote: vivax why do you think im scum btw baaa? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:16 Fecalfeast wrote: You would rather vote a townread than die? Scummy mindset lmao ? Not at all. Trying to stay alive is win con for both alignments. What's the point of dying instead of someone whose alignment I don't know? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:21 sicklucker wrote: do you even understand the context of palmars vote on me? He didnt even say I was scum he just said he was mad at me On June 15 2017 07:19 Palmar wrote: I could possibly kill sicklucker. The upside is large as nothing he has said looks townie. The "I'm just trying to trigger ppls lulz" post is kinda bad actually. The downside is small as he's anti-town no matter his alignment late game because he's just not very good at this game. No? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:25 Rels wrote: Vote situation: annul could vote Xata or SL. He votes Xata 'cause it's a better defense + he just said rtight now that he scumread Xata more than SL. Then Xata shows up. and annul asks Xata to vote SL and says he would switch: ??? Yes cause he doesn't want to die. He'll be happy putting anyone else in the lead. A fine reasoning if you ask me. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:27 sicklucker wrote: i had made 2 posts when palmar made that post. do you honestly think he thought I was that likely to be mafia? No palmar is a washed up has been whos salty for last game that you were in and should know the context. Where I lynched him because he refused to defend himself and cried like a baby I don't think you have ever discussed ruxxar or eversince this game. You just came in voting annul preaching us he is the lynch. You also don't have a stance on my reason for TRing me earlier while thinking he's mafia. You even trying this game? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:32 sicklucker wrote: are you fucking serious dude? your not even in this game man. I hard defended ruxxar and quoted like 4 posts in his filter. Then I asked him to vote annul which he did. eversince is not really readable with his volumn but he correctly town read me which is ok. Also both of them have me as there top town read fact your so bad this game You didn't hard defend him, that's a lie. You went from "maybe mafia for missing joke" to "he missed the joke but this is his explanation while missing the joke so he's fine". More or less. Never even glancing at what anyone has said about him this game. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:33 sicklucker wrote: vivax is acualy bad shit crazy. The 3 players I have focused the most on in this game are eversince annul and ruxxar. lol Not even ready the thread YOur fake cop check on eversince doesn't mean anything. This is the actual first time you gave some sort of opinion on her. On June 16 2017 07:32 sicklucker wrote: are you fucking serious dude? your not even in this game man. I hard defended ruxxar and quoted like 4 posts in his filter. Then I asked him to vote annul which he did. eversince is not really readable with his volumn but he correctly town read me which is ok. Also both of them have me as there top town read fact your so bad this game | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:41 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (5): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (6): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Xatalos out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I'm gonna find every single guy who ignored SL and said Xatalos is mafia cause ppl are not piling on him and call them mafia for the rest of the game with this votecount. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:30 Koshi wrote: I really hope the town within you guys keep a close eye on the thread and do that last minue Xatalos vote. Except for the 3 people realllllyyyy believing he is mafia he got a lot of pushback. rayn as well btw. and looking at the Xatalos filter he is SUPER FUCKING EASY to vote on if he is town. What a fucking bad filter. So why isn't mafia doing that? On June 16 2017 06:36 darthfoley wrote: Second paragraph is actually kind of a sick point. There's plenty of reason to "fabricate" a vote on him if he were Town. Especially with some of the people pushing him considered "obv/strong town" yet he's been stuck at 4 votes forever Found the mafia? | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:08 Holyflare wrote: bs bs bs bs bs yay finally someone else turning the spotlight to that slot | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:14 sicklucker wrote: ya everything about eversince was weird. and if xata is mafia shes always mafia Exactly what I would say as mafia when a scummy teammate does something scummy to favour a townie over another in what could possibly have been a TvT wagon. Which seems likely to me now. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:50 Holyflare wrote: Probably tw No really, when he's just in his own little word placing terrible lonely votes he's likely town. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:13 Koshi wrote: I like you are operating under the idea Xatalos is town. Makes it so town will have a leader when he flips that way :D This town has no leaders and is an amalgamate of godless heathens | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:18 darthfoley wrote: Palmar may be 3p. Maybe even Koshi trying to be pro-Town 3p. Idk and I'm not sure it matters atm Think lots of scum lies between ES, Grack, TW, sl, Rels, HF or Vixax. Still waiting for rayn to scumhunt which is concerning. I need to reread btdt and disformation. Hopefully tonight's actions resolve some issues. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead lol Bolded all the townies you're calling scum. So why has eversince become scum to you now just for EoD stuff? I don't think the posts were that much worse than what she already had posted before so the progression doesn't really make sense. And lul @ you dying tonight | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:32 Holyflare wrote: Read my case, she's well scummy. Basically: She hadn't put a vote down all cycle and miraculously appears at deadline to vote and afk again. She has spent 0 of the game calling anyone mafia. Her only read which she doesn't even explicitly state is koshi is town/3p and by virtue of that post me as mafia trying to shit fight rayn/koshi. She comes back and sees my case on SL (me, her mafia read) and instead of saying no because she thinks I'm mafia she says no because there's not enough time to kill SL. Then, since she is implying she agrees with the SL case but won't vote him she votes for the exact wagon SL started!!! She had a choice between sheeping her town read koshi on his wagon or following a wagon with her new found appreciation for SL being mafia. She sheeps that one instead. Then she leaves again. Why are you trying to convince me that ES is mafia when I was trying to push her from the start? | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:32 darthfoley wrote: Also it's misleading to say I didn't think ES was scummy earlier. I literally said that You tried pretty hard to keep her under the rug considering I had to ask you for the read and then you just went "lol didn't read" when I asked you more about the read on her. I rate your intention to push 0/10 | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:35 Holyflare wrote: Because you said something false, that her eod wasn't that bad. I said it wasn't worse than what she had already posted, which was already bad. Not worse than bad = still bad. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:42 darthfoley wrote: Why did you vote off wagon when your vote really mattered? Call me mafia for it please. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:40 beentheredonethat wrote: hf you asked me to compare tw to generic tw which I did. what do you draw from this now? I'm not HF but I feel I still have a say in the matter. I don't know how the two games compare cause TW placed votes on acceptable targets that were also agreed on by town (in that case, damdred) whereas here he is stubbornly just placing it on people that are never going to be lynched D1. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:53 darthfoley wrote: I think I made it clear with my previous post that I found your EoD scummy which is by definition you Also @HF I mistyped. I need to look at FF's vote. If what you say is true, your eod isn't a problem So if that's cause of the previous arguments, why is it relevant at all for someones alignment if they vote off wagon? Why does that make me mafia over other people who voted off wagon? | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:57 darthfoley wrote: Because ES who you've been hollering about was in one wagon and you chose not to vote on the other wagon. It's not always relevant to vote off wagon, but yesterday I think it was I don't see why I should base my votes on association within 3 minutes from deadline. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:57 Eversince wrote: ## vote: Annul Which btw already put annul at majority first so even if I switched I wouldn't have gotten him lynched. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:11 darthfoley wrote: The feeling is mutual. So why didn't you pick a wagon? You are mafia. Darthfoley: "Vivax is mafia for not voting Xatalos by association after Eversince voted annul 3 minutes -Eod and made him already the only lynchable guy" | ||
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You should stop getting triggered by possible 3p/mafia and maybe play the game instead. There are arguments out there that disagree with your TW read and I'd appreciate it if you acknowledged why he is likely town. Or at least keep showing why he is not in the face of adversity. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:17 darthfoley wrote: So why didn't you pick a wagon? Idk why you're getting so shook based off of one simple question Didn't feel it mattered and didn't want to cause those weren't the wagons I wanted. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:22 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't have a solid TW read. He got like what, 10 posts in total? All I can say and have said is 1. his current play is super different from Generic II where he was scum 2. his current play can very well be scum nevertheless Like right now, I don't have solid reasons to scum or townread him. There's just nothing to work with. Worth a D2 wagon if that gets him to participate. And Eversince, and ruxxar, and DF? Do you think this game is all about figuring out TW and TW only? And why isn't darthfoley blaming you for wasting your vote after you On June 16 2017 15:09 beentheredonethat wrote: This is why the first bad thing was that annul was lynched over Xata. I think Koshi worked his way up slowly but he didn't make it out of scum range. Nevertheless he wasn't second wagon. Xata was a good second wagon. Because Xata is also among my scumreads. I brought up some points early and I think darthfoley cased him, too, and I agreed with him. So yes, Xata is a good second wagon. posted this? What's your read on darthfoley? What's your read on ruxxar? | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote: I'm just playing single player mafia mostly. Occasionally clicking filters, ignoring the thread, throwing out some opinions. Life is good. I'll try to maybe make my statement posts a bit more detailed when I cba. I understand you, I really do. I'd love to have the willpower that you have to not compulsively try to win the game among a horde of players who don't care. I might do just that and write this off as another awful game at some point cause it's headed in that direction. On top of it marv didn't play. What a disappointment. | ||
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I just really can't deal with the hipster reads he's producing by townreading Ruxxar and ES. I think he's horribly wrong on these two and his explanations don't sway me and are probably entirely based on association and he doesn't want to admit it. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:43 beentheredonethat wrote: I love it Koshi: "BTDT IS SCUM IS SCUM IS SCUM IS SCUM" Dumb Vivax: "Oh Btdt is scum" there you go I'm outta here bye ![[image loading]](https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/59/59bb7ae0900b68dac939c287c7fcd13081a8151f_full.jpg) | ||
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On June 17 2017 20:39 Xatalos wrote: In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf You're just going to peace out like that? You should have the most information right now if you are legit. | ||
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I don't think the following posts at night after I left look particularly good for rayn. On June 16 2017 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi youre gonna be so fucking wrong on this one. Pulls the post out of context and reads what Koshi said wrong. On June 17 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am seriously conflicted on if Palmar is right and sl is mafia or if Palmar is mafia.... Also HF. Maybe sl is mafia then. Says that Palmar is mafia if SL isn't. Not a good reasoning. The following posts on skynx are good on the other hand. But he completely misses SL and ES until HF points it out. I'm not used to sloppy rayn? His mafia list goes a lot with sentiment and doesn't include ES and Ruxxar for ?reasons? End of Night 1 rayn. Don't feel that he's necessarily town like I did post his big post cause of those. I think he's conveniently leaving out Ruxxar and ES in his scum list as well. On June 17 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote: I love how you go from this: to this: You tried really hard to distance yourself, and then you just gave it up easy like that. It's some advanced mafia play for sure, but you are definitely scum together with vivax and HF. Well played. Is this post by Ruxxar a troll post? Cause if he's ACTUALLY town and actually believes what he writes. On June 17 2017 05:21 Grackaroni wrote: Ruxxar is my favorite. Then this is a bad post cause grack sounds like he's sitting with popcorn on the sidelines enjoying the show as town Ruxxar posts completely bogus theories. Which is scummy cause it points to Grack tmi, especially since he should be living in a world where HF can be mafia since his latest read was: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. So this points to Grack knowing HF was town at that point. Also no read on Darthfoley whatsoever in gracks filter but he feels like it's worth posting when it's funny to make fun of Ruxxar posting super unlikely reads. | ||
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On June 17 2017 21:14 disformation wrote: nah i think ruxxar did some strange stuff on purpose to draw a shot from scum Ok what do you think he did? Cause you clearly have an idea. And what do you think of what I said about rayn? Also, you don't cc right? Cause I'm still on the fence about whether I'm going to lynch an un ccd cop. | ||
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On June 17 2017 21:27 disformation wrote: huh? can you quote that post? was that earlier in the game? It's already quoted on this page. What are you doing?? | ||
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On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote: Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. Don't like this post either. Seems like something I'd ask fellow mafia. Currently leaning towards lynching Xata in spite of the claim. | ||
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On June 17 2017 21:58 disformation wrote: since ppl brought up that it would be fairly odd if not at least 1 guy tried to get some cred by bussing which is a decent thought It's exceptionally unlikely. If you are mafia and Ruxxar town though it would make sense that mafia skynx pinged Ruxxar at the start of D1 for +1ing your post. I'm not on Xatalos autolynch btw. You will have to convince me you are town. I'll be gone grilling for most of the day so you won't have to endure me for much longer. | ||
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On June 17 2017 22:12 disformation wrote: if xata flips town i will be very very surprised and very very sad You mean if he flips VT? If he flips cop, you're mafia. | ||
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On June 18 2017 08:13 ruXxar wrote: Seems koshis reads are godlike this game. We got xata scum and btdt scum. Eversince actually redeemed herself a bit with that excellent post on xata. What a productive evening ^^. No nobody redeems himself today with anything on Xata. But you sure wish she did. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar , Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare I'm believing it's really simple and this is mafia. | ||
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On June 18 2017 18:19 Skynx wrote: That doesn't makes sense, then why they are sabing Xata for no reason? For no reason? Excuse me? Did you look at today's votes? | ||
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On June 18 2017 18:28 Skynx wrote: EBWOP Thats my point, Xata=scum he's always gona be primary target after other leading train gets lynched. Having an additional mafia N1 doesnt change their kp or anything so as a team strategy i don't thing all 4 would vote on counterwagon D1. Please dont use other one Who's (not) mafia on the wagon? Cause you're not telling me no one was on annul. | ||
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On June 18 2017 18:43 Skynx wrote: Why did you not vote on one of the wagons Vivi? Sorry if you already explained it I did during N1. See pre-babyrage picture. My Rels townread is still from D1, admittedly it's rather weak but I'm going with it cause at the time it felt good. Tonally it fits with Rels catching up reluctantly without trying to sugarcoat his own posts too much. I'm kind of making it my goal this game not to make the mistake of forgetting old scummy things/reasons for townreads just cause new things come up. That's why I'm still feeling good about the D1 reads. | ||
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On June 18 2017 19:31 Blazinghand wrote: It's not that they did it. It's almost never the fact they did it, whether arguing one way or the other. It's always how, and why. You are saying something while not saying anything. If you're going to use only D2 to form your reads, the reads will be bad since today it looked like an autolynch from the start so this is the perfect day for mafia to just post while not actually doing anything since nobody is going to switch their vote anyway. It would actually help if you ignored what happened today and just caught up D1 and made some reads based on that with the flips in mind since you aren't particularly readable for me one way or the other yet. | ||
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On June 16 2017 09:54 Blazinghand wrote: Most people here haven't played with Annul. He doesn't play much these days. I've played a game or two with him, and I know some guys like HolyFlare, Palmar, Rels, marv, Grack, Vivax, etc have been around enough they likely played with him as well. Anyone else claiming to have played with him or to know his meta is likely talking out of their ass. Who talked about annul like he knew him? This is your very first post and I forgot who you were referring to and it looks like you were going to have followup on that perosn. | ||
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On June 18 2017 19:53 ruXxar wrote: Of course I never reconsidered on xata. I just wanted to see if anyone would even attempt to save their xata buddy if it apparead i had doubts... I mean, how stupid would you be to post the shit that I posted LOL? I apologize to the new people like chezi and blazinghand who haven't followed the thread, but you fell right into it. And? What did you conclude? | ||
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On June 18 2017 20:03 ruXxar wrote: That btdt either is totally clueless and not following the game. Or he's playing dumb and is mafia. Im leaning toward mafia. What's the benefit of his play as mafia? | ||
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On June 18 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote: That he wants to save xatalos. He only started that fight after I casted doubt in the vote on xatalos. It's not a strong connection, but its there. Does Palmar also want to save Xatalos? | ||
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On June 18 2017 20:46 ruXxar wrote: I must admit I haven't done a thorough analysis on ES. I will withhold my judgement on her until I've read her filter. That's the point. Everything anyone says today about Xatalos is Wifom. No matter if btdt, or Eversince. And you are trying to read them both for wifom. | ||
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On June 18 2017 22:16 sicklucker wrote: who is chezitwo anyway ive seen that smurf before. Im still gonna lynch him because thats what i think about marvs commitment to the mafia alignment. but its nice to know Well, ACTUALLY. What would you think of a post like yours when you replace in and are town? | ||
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On June 18 2017 23:44 Chezitwo wrote: I am in no way related to the Brown. It is nothing but a catchy smurf name. Palmar called you Artanis in Linux mini I see. What was in the Vivax.txt? | ||
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On June 19 2017 00:26 darthfoley wrote: I thought HF said you never care about lynch wagons D1 Maybe he does when HF tries to kill him | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:07 darthfoley wrote: I must say, I'm not sure I appreciate Vivax disappearing during this cycle. But beggars can't be choosers! I hope this is a troll post. | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:22 disformation wrote: vivax also had i think 3 moments now where i kinda had this "are we reading the same game" moment Ye and you never made anything of it. Wanna make something of it now? Go ahead. Or at which number do you place the cutoff? | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:33 darthfoley wrote: Also kind of complete bullshit considering the two most active players were killed N1. So I'm not sure how the mafia could be more active than a 15pg Koshi filter and HF at like 8 or whatever They didn't have to be the most active, just active enough to constantly be around and look like they're doing things. There's mafia who do that you know. I think Ruxxar could easily fit into that category. He had a very slow, scummy start D1 and spent only the entirety of D2 toying around in the thread when there's nothing to do anyway. | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:40 ruXxar wrote: It's all good discussion. I mean, there's only so much you can say about grack/rels/es with the 2 page filters. Look I was mafia with FF in liquidmania (so to me it's easier to townread him and I'm 100% sure). He was really obvious at times and would have to really be growing over his scum game this game to be mafia. We were both quite puzzled that he didn't get scumread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/518833-liquidmania-qualifier-3?user=Fecalfeast&view=all | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:42 darthfoley wrote: Question: is there anyone who's actually Town in this game? Cuz all you seem to do is bitch about people generating discussion and call people "probably mafia" My town list from D1 didn't change much. It was pretty good from the start. Updated town list: annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Newcomers: TW, rayn , Rels. I think it's still pretty good if I take Grack and VA out. The original reason for townreading him doesn't mean much now since he did zilch with calling ES post scummy. Grack was literally afk all day and also voted annul. To me it just looks like he's (VA) desperately trying to push a guy on the annul wagon who's not mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:51 darthfoley wrote: Good to know I'm not on the town list even though I'm the main reason the roleblocker is dead. Makes sense You are being toxic you know that? | ||
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Pick some other fellow idiot to bicker with over stupid things, bye. | ||
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I'm automatically suspicious of anyone who will push on FF, but I don't think he's going to be NKcause of generally lower effort so I don't see the point of lying about it at night. NK/NKS 100% going to be between me,disfo, Palmar, DF | ||
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I've read rayn's big post but it lacks direction. Hope that he posts more and adresses my old issue with his read on Palmar that he hasn't picked up on yet. BTDT I actually still think is town cause of his actions around Koshi D1. They felt pushy and townie and he was on a wavelength with a bunch of other townies on Koshi. Also the dick posts earn him some town points imo. I really don't think he's mafia right now. If I ignore ruxxar I'm currently operating under Grack/ES/VA/rayn mafia. | ||
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Person I didn't read much into lately is ES but I still kind of think mafia from D1 stuff. | ||
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With the little in his filter it's these two reasons atm: - he pinged ES post as scummiest in the thread D1 among the first and did nothing with it, not even explained why. - His case on FF came across as opportunistic when ppl were calling Rels/Grack/ES mafiaish at the time, IIRC. Grossly from memory but at the time it felt out of place and on the wrong person on top of it. | ||
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I predict an easy game  There's just to hope that it will remain this way after the NKs. But I volunteer to carry on your legacies if I'm not the kill. My legacy if I die is - lynch grack and ES, grack first if possible. - never lynch FF - consider that Rels can be town - force SL to play more - keep an eye on ruxxar if he keeps on surviving while he keeps posting as much as he did D2. I still kind of respect annuls D1 read on him along with my points. - And last but not least, never forget what happened in previous days or D1 for that matter when previously lurky people start to try and look more active as the game progresses. I'm being pretty ballsy here but I think Skynx and TW are town. Skynx had good D1 and his list of 5 people for postgame cred is so wrong that I think he can't be mafia. Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred Same for TW who as mafia is prone to the mistake of trying to be too right in his reads and ends up posting correct reads on most people . When he doesn't care too much about being in sync with rest of town and openly looks bad in his voting patterns, he's probably town.. | ||
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On June 20 2017 00:01 VayneAuthority wrote: has anyone ever actually gotten postgame cred for putting a bunch of random names in a post? I don't understand why thats such a common thing. oh man remember when that guy threw out a bunch of random names in the middle of the game? -snip- look at this fucking sick post bro never happens. Sometimes people get postgame cred, sometimes they get townreads for their reads being too wrong to come from mafia | ||
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Confirmed mafia if no new page of filter by end of night. | ||
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On June 20 2017 02:33 ruXxar wrote: Actually, that didnt make me look any better LOL. I know right. Are you also suggesting we lynch you? | ||
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I blame marv. Also noted that btdt and TW are very meta aware | ||
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