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On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote: I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p. | ||
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SL being trollish is the way I took it. Seemed like he wanted something other than HF/Koshi fight. Which is fine. I am honestly more concerned with the people that rolled around the idea that we should lynch into us off a D1 red check claim vs a person who has yet to even post. | ||
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@HF, when did you back off your Koshi read? I missed it but you seem ok with that lynch again as of p29 | ||
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Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here. On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so! It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote: and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia. Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:46 VayneAuthority wrote: breaking character to state that this is the scummiest post in the thread so far for me Never break character  *Shrugs* I didn't really expect my opinion to be popular. But it is honest. | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:17 disformation wrote: think i am getting an headache. i am not sure I like hf's post on koshi. the case one. i feel like hf is overdramatizing some points. on the other hand i am not sure i like kohsis response either. this post is fairly overexplainy and hard to follow in general. can you break it down into a core message and write what you wanted to say in like 2 sentences? I can try! Koshi saying mafia HF would back off makes no sense to me. Town HF would hopefully look at the bigger picture and adjust reads. Mafia HF would have no reason to at this point I think. (Town Koshi is a mis-lynch, 3p Koshi is less likely to work with you if you spend all your time trying to kill him). A large part of me wants to say HF is town. A little part of me is worried by the fact HF has spent lots of time focusing on two people and not anything else (his words). Short short tldr: HF thinks Koshi is anti-town. Decide HF motive yourself. Koshi needs to be more vocal about his opinions. If Koshi gets lynched by the town for not being productive then fine. If he gets mis-lynched because thread sentiment makes it easy... not so much. | ||
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I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL. I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. | ||
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So pre-15ish flip/ 2 pg after it. I'll check periodically | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing. idk how to explain it more clearly. I took it as Rels was catching up and just had a word doc off to the side making bullet point notes on people as he caught up. A lot of people thought that looked weird and questioned his progression process since everything seemed to jump around. The post you quote here is him explaining that. | ||
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Out of claims I think HF/Skynx have both claimed to have a gun. So Xata/me are the top picks as far as I can tell. Although HF says he'll drop his on Koshi last I remember and Skinx was to somebody I forgot. | ||
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I ask for reads and SL: "vote with me if you think I'm town" Nothing else. HF: vote for SL and loosely explains why. Nothings else. I missed Rels big qoute post on Xata but I don't think it would have mattered. Since I was left with "Blindly follow this because it's the one I want" I just blindly consolidated. SL claiming I have him as a top town read at the time is funny. And expecting me to make a vote based off reads that are almost 40 pg old, after I openly admit that my reads are outdated and I have no time to read to adjust them. Ooff to me. HF claiming I say he's the only one to give input is misconstrued. Other than Rels post that I missed, he was the only one who said the reason for why I should vote with him. He just failed to do it for any of the other two wagons. | ||
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If you want to say I'm mafia for voting blind, say that. But don't say I did/didn't do it because of some read I was holding onto after my first post in thread at deadline was that I was at a point where my opinion didn't matter. I had a vote and it was either blind or no-vote. | ||
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On June 17 2017 02:00 Holyflare wrote: You can't have just afkd, that's a bs excuse. You have not voted anyone previously and would have potentially faced mod action. I don't know a single one of your reads the entire game. Meh, I don't want mod-killed. Which is the reason I bothered. I don't care if you believe me or not. It wasn't in the interest of the game to let it happen, despite the fact I might die for it instead of taking the warning, here we are. Grack, Damdred, TW, BTDT, Marv's slot, and AMG slot are all in the 'I can't be bothered to read your post, you don't post, or you simply space my current train of thought' I don't like HF any better. I don't like Koshi as until very close to deadline he seemed to very much be going back and forth between Annul/Xata both mafia to Just Xata. Vivax is weird to me. The fight between you and him over phrasing is pretty dumb. And the eod stuff about me is dumb. There is a lot more reasonable things I think you could pick apart about my play thus far. Low hanging fruit is easy though. SL I don't like for bending my words from "I think he was trolling" to "top town" I don't know how I feel about going into annul lynch yet, seems some of annul was fine and some was meh. The post immediately after deadline was enough for me to guess with some certainty he was town. Also he tends to spam in one liners and make my head hurt trying to read through. VA is another ? mark I think more people should look at. He made 2 in-character post. The second big one he claims he's going to "save innocents" and votes Skinx and doesn't give any legible input on any of the wagons I can remember. Palmar looks terrible to me but everyone seems to agree he just does w/e so one liners with no explanation must be good enough. Rels is meh/ok I guess aside from being afkish (I'm one to talk) Xata is confusing right now because I don't remember a lot leading up to it. Reads something or other being out there and the only one I can think of is maby Rayn? That was way early in D1 though and yes, he went back and forth on it but a lot of people did. Disfo is active and chatty but like everyone else has pointed out: doesn't lead to many places. DF is ok, FF is ok, Rayn is ok, Skinx is ok | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:05 Skynx wrote: I prolly forgot to mention it earlier but disfo is top town until end of this game, you should slow down otherwise you're dead tonight bro. @ skinx | ||
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Vivax I am kind of willing to give you a break on simply because if I put myself in the situation I can see it. I type slow and obviously worded it bad but it took up like 2-3 pg? That doesn't make me feel better when I thought I was being obvious enough. It devolved into a fight between if I formulated a read after I posted your case. Because I answered into the thread before I started typing longer winded replies because if you can't tell by my posting now, I'm slow. Seemed pretty stupid. | ||
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On June 17 2017 02:41 Holyflare wrote: Yes, but that's nothing to do with you and everything to do with me reading vivax. That's all you have to do in these games, understand whether the top town people that can lead town are town and work your way from there. Pointless bickering is absolutely my mafia meta but absolutely none of what I've done this game has been pointless bickering. I understand that. Maby it's biased opinion carried over from first half of D1. I don't think pestering someone who is clearly not changing or even willing to see it from your perspective is useful past a point. That is the way I saw it | ||
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Why wouldn't you vote to shift someone who you thought was "100% town" or try to lead the claimed blind voter to places you actually wanted? That's basically the sole reason I just consolidated it instead of picking between the 'follow this if you trust your 30 hr old reads after claiming you weren't going to trust those' or 'SL bullet point' I didn't get any info on Xata/Annul until I caught up today -.- | ||
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On June 17 2017 03:10 Holyflare wrote: You could have read any of the posts around the lynch where I repeatedly said annul was town and sl was mafia and then lynched the guy that is probably mafia and didn't have sl on the wagon instead. Maybe I'm being picky but in my eyes you asked for cases and "consolidated" on a wagon for absolutely no reason other than to put a vote down. I've said a number of times now that's more or less exactly what I did. I don't read fast and I'm not going to bother to try to read and make sense of the rapid fire post at EoD for no reason other than to say that I did. It wouldn't have told me anything in the grander picture other then everyone is going back and forth everywhere and I still have no idea. | ||
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Sorry for tin foiling hard on you guys HF/Kosher  I promise I'll try my bestest to make up for it! | ||
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I'm 99.65535% convinced of it. SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team. Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia. --- On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I'm going to bed for a bit now. | ||
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On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote: Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia. I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time. Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it. -- On June 17 2017 19:30 Xatalos wrote: One Miller already flipped so I suppose there could be another. Still, the odds are heavily in the favor of disfo being scum. The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"? On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote: Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.]/red] "If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch. On June 17 2017 19:54 Xatalos wrote: Yea I'd think the only realistic option would be that you're a second unaware Miller if you're town. Usually there's 2 of them from what I've seen. The odds are low though, like 10% or less. So I'm content our best bet is to just lynch you. More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today. Followed with this: On June 17 2017 19:56 Xatalos wrote: Not really. The lurky players are just a detriment at LYLO anyway, so it's better to kill them off immediately. Whereas somewhat active,[red] but not widely townread players are likely to live until LYLO but it's often hard to tell their alignment so checking is optimal. So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense. On June 17 2017 19:59 Xatalos wrote: But other than that, it's quite unlikely we're both town I agree. Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head. On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote: Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while. On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote: It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again. This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious. ##vote: Xatalos | ||
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You already had scum between Disfo/Xata and Chez's phrasing for "Mafia might very well have a RB" is a garbage reason to say you found scum and vote outside of it. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you" | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:58 beentheredonethat wrote: Yeah, currently you're working on getting the cop lynched, that's very good! You don't believe the claim, You believe the claim is coming maby from bad town. You believe the claim. | ||
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On June 18 2017 08:05 darthfoley wrote: I just can't believe cop!Xata doesn't claim anytime yesterday. He didn't even put up a fight in the showdown. Someone please tell me of a cop who 1) didn't claim in a heated 1v1 AND 2) didn't fight like hell to survive the 1v1. If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich He also did nothing N1 Despite a few saying that the vig should shoot into him/me. | ||
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Instead we got "Well just in case you lynch him first and he flips green I'm call him 'might be these other things' Like I said, Xata doesn't even believe his own claim. | ||
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On June 18 2017 08:18 Chezitwo wrote: I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy. Emphasis on "possibly" and "I'll need to filter him again". If you check my filter you'll see he is one of my wildcards on my latest game-stance. | ||
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@Rayn- Just read their filters back to back. They peddle around, cast doubt about, but never actually push on each other, and come lynch time it's luck that they got my random vote. But I'm pretty sure TW is mafia and he could of swung. or if BTDT is mafia he could of swung. Neither needed to because I randomed my vote and it landed on town. Just go through their D1, because I'd make a huge mess if I tried to make a large analysis post on 4 separate players. | ||
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On June 20 2017 06:56 disformation wrote: did you just change your narrative from "i vote blind/to consolidate" to "i voted at random"? i was very much under the impression that you didnt vote at random but on the leading wagon voting blind is random? They are the same thing. And yes, I chose the larger wagon like 2 minutes before deadline | ||
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On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote: well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread I saw Rels clarified his position on me in the same minute he posted it. | ||
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On June 20 2017 07:55 Rels wrote: rayn, why is it super unlikely that Xata forged a check on his partner ? I think it's not so much that Xata wouldn't check his partner. But it's how he went about claiming it. | ||
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On June 21 2017 00:08 disformation wrote: another note in that direction vivi was on sl d1 together with hf. remind me to see if i can find out why vivi dropped that read. It was him sheeping HF/Palmar iirc. | ||
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On June 21 2017 04:03 disformation wrote: what is the purpose of this post? at some point in the game i had a townread on you. at another point (after you started doing jack all) i have a scumread on you. aaaaaaand i didnt have no opinion Get scum read for having no opinion. Then get scum read for having your own. Mafia is weird. | ||
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I'm still alive :D! | ||
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On June 21 2017 04:16 Skynx wrote: This is your case? Essentially you say SL vote on annul was unjustified and bad, halle fucking lujah.. He also pushed super hard for that "unjust and bad" lynch off of Xata and onto Annul. He also claimed at one point to be trying to "save" Xata. So ontop of ignoring the "townier" post Annul was apparently doing closer to deadline, not having any good reason to tr Xata. Xata's unconventional reads didn't actually exist. So actually no real reason to have the tr on him? But don't re-evaluate or anything. Better to ignore that and push your lynch instead of investigating why the other wagon was even pushed. | ||
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On June 21 2017 04:27 Skynx wrote: I don't want to come off as toxic but you're in no position to push off the bolded against me while being one of the two deciding voters against a t v s wagon while admitting having no idea about the game at that point. That entire paragraph was more of an iteration what SL did D1 vote. Nothing about your current tunnel. I think your case is trash, but I've made explicitly clear on what I think Disfo's chances of flipping mafia are. | ||
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On June 21 2017 04:34 Skynx wrote: I dunno what all this sl stuff is about. I'm not tr'ing sl or anything, I was pressuring him EOD along with fefe and got scumread for it. My point is you don't really need a case against sl, everyone is sr'ing him pretty much so I don't get why disfo try to come up with that against me. That's a complete 180 from: On June 21 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote: Fact: Everyone scumreading sl is now dead. | ||
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On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. This is the post in question right?: On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote: wow that makes Eversince town. My big quote was about annul. So to those thinking ES was faking entering the thread (and Ithought that too befor ethat post), is she faked that she wouldn't mess up the names there. That means the entering the thread was innocent at the very least. Which he followed within the same minute: On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote: well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread Or am I just not on the same page as to what that is about? Because I was thinking this is what that is about. | ||
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But isn't that what he did? I don't recall him ever outright calling me town. | ||
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1) On June 20 2017 06:53 Eversince wrote: Nah, I like Grack over Rels. @Rayn- Just read their filters back to back. They peddle around, cast doubt about, but never actually push on each other, and come lynch time it's luck that they got my random vote. But I'm pretty sure TW is mafia and he could of swung. or if BTDT is mafia he could of swung. Neither needed to because I randomed my vote and it landed on town. Just go through their D1, because I'd make a huge mess if I tried to make a large analysis post on 4 separate players. I will try to put together a post on it later tonight since I have the time. There's only one out of that group that has given me any reason to doubt he fits. But only because of some very wifom stuff. 2) If I didn't call in sick tonight I would have been asleep until 3 hrs ago. at work 2 hours ago, and would not have been home again until basically deadline tomorrow. I'm already on everyone's "?/scum" pile. I'm kind of surprised mafia hasn't tried to get me mislynched yet. But this wasn't my original plan for today. Since I'm around though, I'm going to try be useful instead. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: You thought Disfo's filter was worse than his. Seemed more like you gave him a pass based on "not matching his meta" than a "looked pretty bad" Considering you basically lynched Annul for being tunneled?Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. | ||
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On June 21 2017 12:46 Grackaroni wrote: I thought Xata's filter looked pretty bad but not so bad that he would get undue attention compared to some other people. I didn't like that Annul was so confident in his Koshi push because it seemed like he was still pushing Koshi from things that happened earlier in the game rather than considering the additional 10 pages or w/e of Koshi posts that happened after he talked about his read. Wait wait though, didn't you just post a scum read on VA for something VA did at EOD an entire night cycle and half a day ago? And if you didn't really think either would flip mafia why vote for either then? If you didn't think mafia was in it you should of voted on HF. That's the bigger thing here. You voted on Annul for being tunneled you say then that Xata isn't playing his scum meta, now his filter looked bad but not for the amount of attention that he got. HF you're only scum read that got more than a "meh" labeling out of you was ignored? Why? | ||
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On June 21 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi posted lots of things since then and Vayne hasn't? I don't see the point in throwing away my vote when HF wasn't going to be lynched. You're not throwing away your vote if you don't think either is mafia. You're simply not lynching town. | ||
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On June 21 2017 13:22 Grackaroni wrote: It's not a matter of one bad tunnel. His whole focus was two tunnels (Koshi/RuXxar) based on early game things that made it look like he wasn't weighing new information. Then why didn't you clarify this like way sooner? Because now you've had 100+ hrs to come up for a reason on it | ||
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On June 21 2017 15:31 Tumblewood wrote: specifically this post is very relatable and something i've never seen scum try to fake. of course they might be able to but i don't think it's the kind of thing scum thinks of organically psst, It was Rux's case and he already did. | ||
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Changes that to include Rux tunnel. Koshi had posted 10 pg filter lala. He's also now scum reading Disfo in the exact same fashion. EoD read says Disfo is mafia despite the fact Disfo has a ton of post since then but he's not going to read them. Using Grack's own logic we should lynch him just for that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Then he votes Annul. At least Annul is reading Koshi's filter, which he acknowledges by wondering if it's Annul's meta to do so, which if it was would make him townier in his mind (I assume) So he voted on a tunneled/meta read. Town is way more likely to tunnel in my experience. Because you can only be adamantly wrong on your positions for so long before the rest of the town thinks your scum. Xata's filter looks meh. Disfo is worse but still a dirty filter is better than a tunneled/meta read? Backs down from Xata because it doesn't fit his mafia play style I guess. HF is his only hard scum read and you barely get a sentence more about him the rest of the time HF is alive. | ||
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On June 21 2017 15:54 Tumblewood wrote: what i'm thinking is — this is subjective, but the annul wagon was shit. shit wagons form of course but usually they stay limited to tunneled/bad players. but for annul to die despite not having an amazing case on him (or her? idk) and not being a complete afk i think there has to be scum involved. and fefe is the only early voter i think at all is scum, but there was little actual pushing of anything from fefe himself. and rels had a legit push but was kinda late and otherwise has a super townie filter. so that just leaves grack, as the tying vote. tl;dr — like ??? it's either grack or fefe or nothing makes sense. but already nothing makes sense You do realize that if you sit on Xata being the only mafia on Annul both Xata's and Annul's trains where almost entirely town driven. Which puts all the other scum as off wagon/ modkills right? | ||
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But I'm pretty sure they are both mafia. And I feel like SL can get a fire lit under him since he did jack all D2/D3 now. Also that Grack made very clear yesterday/ today that he has no intentions of playing this game. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:42 Fecalfeast wrote: Why did you wait so long to place a vote, es? I've been late voter every time? Why does it matter? | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:45 Grackaroni wrote: Again, I hate hypocrites. -Spends her whole time grilling me about the reasoning behind my vote. -Voted for Annul because it was either blind or no-vote. And then bitches that I didn't answer her questions in a satisfactory way. Differences being D1 I was very open and honest about where I was at and why I was voting the way I did. If you can't see the reasons that I'm voting the way I am now, the RTFT. I haven't once "bitched" about what you said. I just interpreted it and said what I thought that made you. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Because it seems opportunistic and shows a lack of confidence. I know as scum I always have a hard time voting early in the day because I'm afraid to draw attention to myself Because I'm not already a big enough '?' to people? I'm obviously worried about attention. Common FF, that's a poor argument. | ||
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My mistake then. @Rux, I play when I'm around . And at least it's usually more then 'I'm in the thread but I can't be assed to have an opinion on anything'. I've at least tried. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:58 Chezitwo wrote: This is remarkable. Why the fuck would mafia go all in on lynching you if grack is town? How about that I said the weird TW/Grack/SL circle from D2? And look what happened exactly the same way only even more pronounced? They come around and circle jerk around eachother. SL treating TW as confirmed town... Actually I owe Rayn some responses from yesterday. I have some of it typed out but I might as well post it. | ||
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On June 20 2017 21:07 ruXxar wrote: Lynch grack: Ruxxar Disformation Vivax Darthfoley FecalFeast VayneAuthority Skynx Rayn Eversince Chezitwo Sicklucker No opinion on grack: Palmar Beentheredonethat Blazinghand Thinks grack is town: Tumblewood Rels People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today): Ruxxar Fefe Chezitwo Beentheredonethat The grack case posted from earlier + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote: Since you seem bored. Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia? Sure! Let's start with the obvious: 1) He hammers the town lynch. On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: ##Vote: Annul At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos. Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul. 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote: I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Palmar: On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote: Where've you been PALMAR? Scummy scum scum. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in". And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game. So we've already established he doesn't push on his scum reads. Going to repeat a few things for formatting: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Implying that townies don't tunnel eachother. Hehehe, please. HF/Koshi/Rayn, ringing any bells? Vivax tunneling on me all game? *I know I'm not flipped yet. But I also know I'm town.* Townies tunnel on eachother ALL the time! Doesn't persue this. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. Regardless that Disfo has already set an activity standard that will be hard to manage if he's mafia, you want to lynch him over Xata? Because meta says Xata's not playing what you remember his scum game to be? Doesn't persue either of these reads anyway. On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Remember that town tunnels ALL the time thing I just mentioned a few paragraphs ago? It's a thing. Also pay attention to the HF read here. Hf is the only person who Grack thinks is anything more than a "meh". On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. Conclusion: Annul must be mafia because town never ever ever tunnel. Xata isn't mafia because meta. HF, the only person he actually thinks is mafia in this picture, is completely ignored. Aside from the recognition of the fact HF is pushing SL for the exact reason he said he was. On June 16 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Since when is pushing newbies your scum meta. You'll push whoever you find scummy/think you can push. Mafia will push whoever they think they can. SL doesn't agree with that, says HF pushes active town/leaders. HF finds that very questionable. Grack points out the flaw of logic himself, but thinks HF is scum pushing an agenda on SL. Also giving him the excuse "no Xata cuz scum HF choice #2" Convenient? TW: On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them This is silly when followed with: On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote: believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim On June 15 2017 00:22 Tumblewood wrote: hmm i guess "i randomly generated [the check]" doesn't totally exclude the possibility of sl as a role that gets to check someone pregame. but that is like 2% chance territory so i won't worry about it too much Town has no way of knowing in the first place so at best nai? Mafia without setup knowledge have no way of knowing. Town SL could throw that claim out. He'll be mostly laughed at for it (exactly what happened) The only way TW would know the 100% validity of SL's claim either way is if TW is mafia and I'm either on the team(making it pluasible) or not(100%Fake). Even if Disfo, Rux, and myself where mafia we still couldn't know the validity of SL's claim 100% unless we knew the setup. On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote: rayn's rage post left a bad impression on me, i think the townreads for that are unwarranted. i don't know how to explain it exactly but his rage posts were more... focused, i think, when he was town, and this one was more rambling. like he decided to be angry about something and never changed the tone for the other parts. Lazy scum read on Rayn with no follow up. On June 15 2017 14:17 Tumblewood wrote: lazy townread for vivax for trying to "protect" his way of reading xata This post implies that he's tr Xata too. On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks This list does not though. Lynch Rayn for fake rage or policy lynch. On June 16 2017 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: i cam understand it but i don't think that makes him mafia at all Other than SL screamings "I'm so town and he's so scum" What exactly was SL doing by now? The fact that HF responds with "You know it" and you can understand? If you thought SL was doing townie things just man up and say "that's stinks like yesterdays fish" Or at least "SL pushing his top scum read is mafia how?" Instead it's super soft defense "I get it but he's not mafia at all" Implying his town read is not that strong. On June 16 2017 05:34 Tumblewood wrote: trying but i can't force myself to have opinions on any of the boring ass fights people keep ragging on This post just says I'm trying but I'm not trying. On June 18 2017 03:13 Tumblewood wrote: notes after reading like 10 pages: i like ever's case on pg 101. so df and rux are 98% town ruxxar continues to be weird and inane - fundamentally not getting the power dynamic. [ACTUALLY his later stuff is solid vote analysis] i like that one rels post on pg 106 sl is insane town. egotistic in an sl sort of way SL gets an 'insane town' placement for being egotistical? I get it, gone for 2 days basically. But why not post more than a single sentense especially when you come out with basically calling 3 people confirmed town. What did he like about my case? What did he like about Rux's analysis? What did he like about Rels post? This post asked more questions than it answers. On June 18 2017 14:45 Tumblewood wrote: no way am i believing for a second cop has a redcheck on disfo. and even if he does, no cop ever has been this concerned about unaware millers Because wondering about millers is the only part about Xata's claim that is questionable. Why did he feel the need to include "if he does"? This is the laziest way to try to distance yourself. The claim was so trash. On June 20 2017 14:23 Tumblewood wrote: oh dear i have eliminated much less than i thought. fuck, i was hoping to coast this game, but now i have to sift through like 10 names I wish it wouldn't take entire cycles for TW to post responses. Because this is now the third time TW has popped in, said some useless or questionable things, and then high tailed it as fast as possible. | ||
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On June 22 2017 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: Maybe I'm being hard on you. I answered your questions for my vote reasoning on Annul. Then after I explain my reasoning you ask for a second reason. Then you say that I should have talked more about it earlier. And then you complained about the way I was answering your questions. I think things like that are just ridiculous since you gave no reasoning at all for your own vote on Annul. Yes, but it didn't take 100 hours and some prying to get an answer out of me. I posted what I was doing with my vote as I did it. I knew it was going to make me look bad. Instead of pushing it under a rug and ignoring it for a week, I just owned up to reality and let people make of it what they would. | ||
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FF/Chez town is general consensus. That's fine and all, I already read both of them town anyway. Problem that I'm having here is SL's read on TW was 100% confirmed town. But SL didn't check FF/Chez. SL visited TW N1, Chez N2. SL also was very sure Marv's slot is mafia. Never gave this any other chance. Which is why if he got a return of different TW is the town and Chez is the scum. I don't know why he implied FF got included in that at all. Not sure why he would lie about his checks as town. And if TW/Chez came back as same I have a hard time putting TW as town. I visited Rels N3. He was a total shut in. Before it gets mentioned, I obviously have no reason to claim right now as mafia. But town needs the info because everyone seems to be having just about as much trouble as I am. I'm obviously not much use right now other than being lynch bait on everyone's mind. So let's kill two birds with one stone. | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:07 Skynx wrote: I'm pretty sure tracker cannot check same guy on consecutive nights otherwise it would be pretty op. You can be pretty sure if you want. Rels would of been my N2 if mods didn't let me track SL a second night. But that's mod business so pm them if you have questions about rules of roles. | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:11 Chezitwo wrote: When did SL state his tumble read then? Because if he was 100 % sure TW is town because he thought I am mafia then Tumblewood is mafia. That's the conclusion I reached. SL was so confident that marv rage quit this game if ge got a different result you would of auto'd into scum and TW gets free confirmed town in SL's world. | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait you and Tumble are same if eversince is town? Am i getting this right? I don't know if SL was trolling or trying to sugarcoat his cookie crumbs. SL called FF/Chez both redchecks. SL didn't check FF though. He checked TW/Chez. I'm working on the assumption of, how can you confidently townread TW at the point SL does? Let alone call him 100% confirmed town in the way SL does? It only makes sense if his result came back different. Because Chez is auto mafia in SL's mind from D1. | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes he calls one of his checks town and one scum. Assuming ES is town one of them is mafia or miller and i dont think chez is scum, and one miller has flipped. This is not lylo right? Well that should be relatively easy. I can keep being the nosy neighbor girl til scum kills me. They will have to kill me. | ||
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On June 24 2017 00:35 disformation wrote: also good thing: i feel scum will run out of scum reads soonish. This is a big part of why I decided to claim today instead of trying to wait. I'm constantly brought up as potential lynch bait and felt that the info involving SL's claim was more important to town than me getting a safer check N4. | ||
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I'm kidding, still forever townreading you. Update also; mods just forgot me, i didn't receive a check result back for like 20 mins and assumed I was RB'd. I got msged 50 mins after Day start. He didn't follow anyone. So nothing useful to report. I don't like Palmar immediately disappearing D4 after my claim. Pressure removed and he's gone again. His stuff on BTDT isn't great. He's not getting attention today and he's handily given rehashed of things that got discussed for over a week. What new point to the discussion did he actually generate? | ||
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I do need to read Rels filter again but Palmar seems to not play when there is no pressure on him. Also it makes no sense if he finally read the thread, he should question my result on Rels instead of spouting info on if the mods would msg me for no result vs RB. Which makes me think he's probably lying and just posting for the sake of posting. (Why would I claim to have been RB'd vs no result when I had already posted a no result before? Implying that this day opening was different.) So like Disfo said "Make me think BTDT is mafia" Go! | ||
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On June 27 2017 23:44 disformation wrote: generally palmar is super disconnected from the thread. did a minimal amount of work up until today. and even today his stuff looks more like he is doing only half-assed work in the hopes of finding something to help him out of this mess. e.g. if he was sure that btdt is scum, why did he stop after his push on btdt based on d1 stuff? then there also was this super creepy buddy attempt onto me. i also know he can be fairly lazy as scum. not sure if he is as lazy or even lazier as town though. I generally ignore meta most of the time. I don't play often enough anyway for it to usually matter much. Even less on this site. Total disinterest until he has any kind of pressure. Then a D1 case on 1 person. on D5? He's also not trying to push this read. Kind of falls into that same world Grack fell into for me. If you're missing for tons of time, I don't mind so much. But Palmar is half lurking under the guise he 'doesn't need to do anything because other people took the lead'. The past 2 days is the best material I've seen out of him all game. And it just doesn't amount to much except for repeating everything that we've already been over. Worse is I think he's only done that much finally because he's starting to get votes for not doing anything. | ||
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I see your point too Rayn. From my own filter: Town has no way of knowing in the first place so at best nai? Mafia without setup knowledge have no way of knowing. Town SL could throw that claim out. He'll be mostly laughed at for it (exactly what happened) The only way TW would know the 100% validity of SL's claim either way is if TW is mafia and I'm either on the team(making it pluasible) or not(100%Fake). Even if Disfo, Rux, and myself where mafia we still couldn't know the validity of SL's claim 100% unless we knew the setup. I wouldn't see any reason to town read TW for that post. | ||
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