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On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?
And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler". Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion. @ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it. Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those.. Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress).
I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.
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On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
I kind of answered that already, in a ninja way.
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On June 15 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening: On June 14 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote:
I am not mafia. Wasn't it disfos argument
You're right it was disfo's argument. I got HF from Koshi's filter.
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Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter.
Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here.
On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so!
It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening.
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On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote:On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?
And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler". Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion. @ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it. Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those.. Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress). I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up.
Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar:
1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation.
2) This post...
On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down.
...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would).
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On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever?
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All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar.
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On June 15 2017 03:27 Eversince wrote:
He wasn't suppose to tell anyone about my sex change!
haha. my memory is good!
On June 14 2017 23:14 disformation wrote:
uh I thought eversince was of the female variety.
so twin brother would be fairly hard to accomplish
i did peak a bit at some of ruxxars old games.
(town ruxxar in nsm13 and scum ruxxar in himalayas)
no similarity with either game. like none at all.
i remember him being a fairly easy town read for me early in nsm13 now.
also from nsm13:
+ Show Spoiler +added some boldage. On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
so i dont think reading his old filters will help us at all.
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On June 15 2017 02:46 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:42 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:37 disformation wrote:
tbh i feel koshi is way more posty because we threw a nice bunch of votes at him.
and for a while he was flailing around for a bit imo.
but i should read vivax newest posts on him and look at his filter again. Can you define flailing? His reads posts stayed pretty consistent regardless of whether they are agreeable from my memory he was like "btdt is scum" "why dont you guys scumread btdt" "oh nvm btdt is town". and then went to the next target. kinda looked like he was trying to find something that sticks.
Or....... I was trying to solve the game?
What a fucking dumb argument.
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@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
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On June 15 2017 03:44 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:27 Eversince wrote:
He wasn't suppose to tell anyone about my sex change! haha. my memory is good! Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 23:14 disformation wrote:
uh I thought eversince was of the female variety.
so twin brother would be fairly hard to accomplish i did peak a bit at some of ruxxars old games. (town ruxxar in nsm13 and scum ruxxar in himalayas) no similarity with either game. like none at all. i remember him being a fairly easy town read for me early in nsm13 now. also from nsm13: + Show Spoiler +added some boldage. On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
so i dont think reading his old filters will help us at all.
Hmm.... Interesting find. I guess he's faithful to his "plan" then.
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also he just might be rusty as hell as either alignment. that post was 2 years ago.
another point i didnt want to read into the old filters too much.
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On June 15 2017 03:32 Eversince wrote:
I'm probably going to re-read. In a few minutes.
@HF, when did you back off your Koshi read? I missed it but you seem ok with that lynch again as of p29
I never ever backed off it.
It was rhetorical satire.
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On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
Yeah, it's kind of the same thing as when he said "strong first post" and then made a pretty non-fitting explanation for that later on (do you really say a post is a "strong post" if you think it's simply unpolished/bad in a towny way?).
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Explains why I missed it then.
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Remind me not to join big games again, just a headache really.
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On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
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On June 15 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
Remind me not to join big games again, just a headache really.
Please leave the thread for 36 hours. Maybe town can salvage your destruction.
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On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
who do you think is scum?
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Koshi case:
Claimed 3p
Admitted not following meta
Didn't do anything real until called out
Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post
Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread
Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume.
Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird.
Who does koshi scum read??
Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game.
What has he done?
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I think a lot of mafia is hiding with -10 posts and most townies here are paranoid as fuck going after things that are completely not mafia just to do something.
I am just going to ponder if HF is a puppeteer.
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On June 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi case:
Claimed 3p
Admitted not following meta
Didn't do anything real until called out
Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post
Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread
Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume.
Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird.
Who does koshi scum read??
Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game.
What has he done?
Oh yeh defended ruxxar for no reason too after saying rayn was bad for defending koshi earlier.
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